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таити.com Tahiti

Hi

This is only my second IDN domain name

таити.com

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tahiti

Any ideas on value at all?

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Re: таити.com Tahiti

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Hi

This is only my second IDN domain name

таити.com

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tahiti

Any ideas on value at all?

Thanks

Still learning the idn side of things
Countries, especially small countries, in foreign scripts, are pretty much a no-no. Unless you know the nationals of the script you are regging in visit the country in large numbers, don't bother.

Russians going to Tahiti - I'm sure some do - but not enough to make it a reg IMHO.

Of course forget all that, Tahiti isn't even a country, just a small island.

Still learning

You need to reg / purchase terms that are searched for or brandable in the native script. Don't piss around the edges. You will just end up dropping the names. I know its difficult at this stage of the game, but you are better off buying ok name off a reseller than 10 regges like that.

Just saving you some pain down the line
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Re: таити.com Tahiti

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Countries, especially small countries, in foreign scripts, are pretty much a no-no. Unless you know the nationals of the script you are regging in visit the country in large numbers, don't bother.

Russians going to Tahiti - I'm sure some do - but not enough to make it a reg IMHO.

Of course forget all that, Tahiti isn't even a country, just a small island.

Still learning

You need to reg / purchase terms that are searched for or brandable in the native script. Don't piss around the edges. You will just end up dropping the names. I know its difficult at this stage of the game, but you are better off buying ok name off a reseller than 10 regges like that.

Just saving you some pain down the line

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Re: таити.com Tahiti

Yep, what everyone expects to do is fresh reg and flip. The target market of most newbies is those that have been in game five years or more.

Like that is ever going to work!

Domainguru is spot on. Rather than trying to buy and flip third tier, because the secondary market has yet to take off, it makes far more sense to pick up second tier for two or three times reg fee and hold. Flipping at the moment is a really tough call but there are serioius investment opportunities out there.

If you are really serious you will dig deep and buy something that is category defining. But don't come after me because I ain't selling at any price that would make sense for your to offer. But there are opportunities in the auctions. I occassionally dabble myself, but it is barely worth my while because if this goes the way I see things going the extra is only going to account for a few tenths of a percent of the total return at most, but is a further burden on cashflow, which while much better is still not rosy.
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Re: таити.com Tahiti

My intentions are more to develop,

When you talk about flip third tier or second tier, what do you mean exactly?
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Re: таити.com Tahiti

My intentions are more to develop,

When you talk about flip third tier or second tier, what do you mean exactly?
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My intentions are more to develop,

When you talk about flip third tier or second tier, what do you mean exactly?
Second Tier in my parlance is something that has market value but only to high two or low three figures. Could be anything really from a brandable to a secondary term in an important commercial category. Often it would be a top term in a niche sector.

Third tier is something that does not as yet have any market traction.

First tier would be a primary term in any commercial category, but is not necessarily A List. A Lists already go for tens of thousands of Dollars.
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Re: таити.com Tahiti

I see got you, I was wondering on these points.

1.Seo for EMD idn domain names, is this the way forward as it has had clout with normal domains as it were.

2.In seo terms, how to search engines rank IDN domain names ? If they have good content etc etc do they tend to get ranked in the normal way?

3.Do most of you develop your domain names? I guess this is the best option to generate a income for the domain names and also give any potienal buyer for the site some figures to base any proposed offer
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Re: таити.com Tahiti

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I see got you, I was wondering on these points.

1.Seo for EMD idn domain names, is this the way forward as it has had clout with normal domains as it were.

2.In seo terms, how to search engines rank IDN domain names ? If they have good content etc etc do they tend to get ranked in the normal way?

3.Do most of you develop your domain names? I guess this is the best option to generate a income for the domain names and also give any potienal buyer for the site some figures to base any proposed offer
Yes, exact match terms contribute to ranking.

Do I develop?

No, at the moment general the returns are not worth the investment. The day that is true will be the day the aftermarket explodes.

It probably has, however, never made sense to develop top terms without having a serious business at the back of them. Parking Companies probably generate more revenue.

For domains with little potential for natural traffic then development is a must. But this game is getting tougher. The business model generally this involves intercepting Google's own traffic and then selling it back to them. It is not difficult to understand why Google have been making this progressively more difficult.
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Re: таити.com Tahiti

Say for some idn that are German for example and products, there would be a spending consumer there so it would be worth developing a site and ranking it high for the chosen keywords?

So if say you had good emd idn domains with high exact search for that market they would be worth investing in do you think?
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Re: таити.com Tahiti

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I see got you, I was wondering on these points.

1.Seo for EMD idn domain names, is this the way forward as it has had clout with normal domains as it were.

2.In seo terms, how to search engines rank IDN domain names ? If they have good content etc etc do they tend to get ranked in the normal way?

3.Do most of you develop your domain names? I guess this is the best option to generate a income for the domain names and also give any potienal buyer for the site some figures to base any proposed offer
My experience is that google.ru takes EMD into account when ranking Russian IDNs, pretty strongly in some cases. Yandex.ru, on the other hand, does not seem to take EMD into account very much (if at all). However, I get the impression that Google's policies vary from language to language, and Google changes their ranking algorithms all the time.

A few months ago, I asked in another thread whether it is worth creating mini-sites for my domains. domainguru said that it is not, because CTR is worse than for parked pages, and mini-sites are more work. My experience confirms this. But perhaps you have something more than a mini-site in mind.

If you are looking for income from your domains, Russian might not be the best place to start. I have had very nice clicks on my Scandinavian sites. Japanese sites are reported to be lucrative as well.

As for your original question about таити.com: There are a couple of things I like about it.

1) It is grammatically correct (something that non-native speakers often get wrong).

2) Because it is a geographic location outside of the Russian Federation, таити.com (and eventually таити.ком) makes more sense than potential rival таити.рф. And because it is not a country name, you don't have to worry about whether the new gTLD guidelines will allow the second-level domain to exist under .ком.

What I don't like about it is that the search volume (GAKT exact match) is a bit low. But in general, I think it is not a bad strategy to register destinations that might appeal to Russian tourists.

I've tended to register third-tier names at reg fee (to hold; I'm not a flipper), rather than purchase second-tier names through this forum, contrary to the advice of the most experienced members here. I'll let you know in a couple of years how that worked out.

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Re: таити.com Tahiti

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My experience is that google.ru takes EMD into account when ranking Russian IDNs, pretty strongly in some cases. Yandex.ru, on the other hand, does not seem to take EMD into account very much (if at all). However, I get the impression that Google's policies vary from language to language, and Google changes their ranking algorithms all the time.

A few months ago, I asked in another thread whether it is worth creating mini-sites for my domains. domainguru said that it is not, because CTR is worse than for parked pages, and mini-sites are more work. My experience confirms this. But perhaps you have something more than a mini-site in mind.

If you are looking for income from your domains, Russian might not be the best place to start. I have had very nice clicks on my Scandinavian sites. Japanese sites are reported to be lucrative as well.

As for your original question about таити.com: There are a couple of things I like about it.

1) It is grammatically correct (something that non-native speakers often get wrong).

2) Because it is a geographic location outside of the Russian Federation, таити.com (and eventually таити.ком) makes more sense than potential rival таити.рф. And because it is not a country name, you don't have to worry about whether the new gTLD guidelines will allow the second-level domain to exist under .ком.

What I don't like about it is that the search volume (GAKT exact match) is a bit low. But in general, I think it is not a bad strategy to register destinations that might appeal to Russian tourists.

I've tended to register third-tier names at reg fee (to hold; I'm not a flipper), rather than purchase second-tier names through this forum, contrary to the advice of the most experienced members here. I'll let you know in a couple of years how that worked out.

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Thanks for the very informative post, i certainly have alot to learn when it comes to IDN domain names,
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Re: таити.com Tahiti

The "new rich" in Russia like competing with each other for exotic holiday destinations.

The target market here isn't drunken teenagers looking for the cheapest spring break location to get drunk and knocked up, it's VERY rich people.

I have absolutely NO PROBLEM with this domain name. It's a keeper.
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And because it is not a country name,
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Cough, hack, I'm sorry, what?
Um, it's complicated. From Wikipedia:

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In 1946, Tahiti and the whole of French Polynesia became an overseas territory (Territoire d'outre-mer). Tahitians were granted French citizenship, a right that had been campaigned for by nationalist leader Pouvanaa a Oopa for many years.[13] In 2003, French Polynesia's status was changed to that of an overseas collectivity (Collectivité d'outre-mer) and in 2004 it was declared an overseas country (pays d'outre-mer or POM).
And the term "Oversea Country" has its own Wikipedia article: Overseas_country_of_France.

After skimming through all this, I'm still not sure what Tahiti is, but I am pretty sure it isn't a country under the gTLD rules.

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Re: таити.com Tahiti

I guess I'll have to concede since there's a .pf and no .ta
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Re: таити.com Tahiti

Good domain for this stage. Develop it
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Re: таити.com Tahiti

I agree with Drew and Glow that this is definitely a keeper. Tahiti is a world class top destination for tourists with lots and lots of money. Hotel rooms can run a thousand dollars a night or more there. Not many tourists can afford to go there, its secluded and in the middle of nowhere but it's a class on its own. It's a low volume high margin business in Tahiti. Google Bora Bora and you will understand why. The place is out of this world.
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Re: таити.com Tahiti

If Russians go there, keep it and develop it. If Russians don't go there, why do either?

Just do your research, Yandex searches, official incoming tourists stats from Tahiti, trends thereof if you can find them.

There are plenty of hotel affiliate programs you can make a killing on ... but only if you get some volume. Research, research, research then develop if there is market.
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Re: таити.com Tahiti

Hi

Thanks for all your views and advice to a newbie on idn domain names.

My thoughts for the domains is

1.Develop into a site

2.Intergrate a affliate program (Russian) That offers holidays to таити

3.Do SEO on the site and rank high for the keywords.

It will be my first time doing SEO on a idn so this will be another learning curve.

I can outsource the content to a few russian writers that will be seo freindly and pass copyscape etc
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