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Old 12th December 2012, 04:22 AM
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Chrome slowing down IDN progress

As of now, IE, firefox, opera and safari all display IDNs correctly in the URL bar.
The only major browser that displays IDNs as punycode is Chrome.

Does anybody know why? And are they planning to change?
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Old 12th December 2012, 04:55 AM
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Re: Chrome slowing down IDN progress

Since when does Firefox display IDNs correctly? It also depends on the language. Safari doesn't work with Cyrillic domains, but works fine with Chinese.
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Re: Chrome slowing down IDN progress

I don't know, I only checked japanese domains, and both .jp and .com work correctly.
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Old 12th December 2012, 07:54 AM
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Re: Chrome slowing down IDN progress

Chrome displays my Greek IDN URLs correctly.
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Re: Chrome slowing down IDN progress

I thought that for Anti-Phishing reasons you had to opt-in on languages other than your own.

Are you sure you have the correct browser settings in each instance.

This would affect an American domainer trying to use a Chinese URL but would not affect Chinese, Russians or Arabs trying to use their native languages.
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Re: Chrome slowing down IDN progress

Yeah. Pretty sure if you change the order of languages in OSX for russian is listed at the top, then logout and login then Safari will display russian IDN's use cyrillic instead of punycode.
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Re: Chrome slowing down IDN progress

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As of now, IE, firefox, opera and safari all display IDNs correctly in the URL bar.
The only major browser that displays IDNs as punycode is Chrome.

Does anybody know why? And are they planning to change?
Errr ... Chrome works out of the box displaying nearly all IDNs correctly for nearly all users.

Firefox, on the other hand, fails to show .com / .net IDNs for everyone on the planet except major geeks.

I'm not sure we exist on the same planet.
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Re: Chrome slowing down IDN progress

Google Chrome will display IDN for components of a hostname consisting solely of characters that belong to one of the languages selected in the language settings—even on .com and .net domains, not only in domains native to that language. For example, http://россия.net will be displayed in IDN form if you claim to speak Russian or another language written in Cyrillic, and as punycode otherwise. Likewise, http://私の団体も.jp/ will be shown in IDN form only if you claim to speak Japanese in Google Chrome's options.

Google Chrome will always display punycode for components of a hostname that contains characters not in the main exemplary character set of any language. For example, http://☃.net/ will always be displayed as punycode in Google Chrome.

Google Chrome will always display punycode for components that mix letters from multiple languages. For example, there is not a single language that contains all characters found in http://şøñđëřżēıċħęŋđőmæîņĭśŧşũþėŗ.de, so this will be shown as punycode. Likewise, http://ebаy.com (with a Cyrillic "а") will always be shown as punycode, even if both English and Russian are in the accepted languages. This is true even if the domain is below a TLD whose registry takes care to protect against homograph attacks.

There are cases where confusion is still possible with this algorithm. For example, the first component of http://сахар.ru is entirely Cyrillic, while the first component of http://caxap.ru is entirely Latin. If you claim to speak Russian or another Cyrillic language, both of these will be shown in IDN form.
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Yeah. Pretty sure if you change the order of languages in OSX for russian is listed at the top, then logout and login then Safari will display russian IDN's use cyrillic instead of punycode.
Safari doesn't appear to do this, at least the latest iOS version doesn't.
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Re: Chrome slowing down IDN progress

Being we are on the topic of browsers maybe you guys can give me some other opinions on this. I bought a script a couple weeks ago and it only works on Chrome and Safari. The support for the script told me the following below. Side note ( I don't think they have a clue what a IDN is ). Jose gave me a answer but they claim the fix he presented is implemented. I'm really not sure what to do at this point other than ask for opinions.

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Unfortunately it cannot work due to the flash restrictions, the browsers and your domain name.

Your domain name has special characters in it. ( )

When you go to http://XN----8SBABESD2BT5B.COM chrome does not convert it to the special characters, it keeps it like that which is why it loads.

IE and firefox do convert it which is why it does not load there since it is loading files from two different domains now which flash does not allow.


If you want to use a domain without special characters it will work on all browsers.
Jose advised me to tell them this.

3. Their excuse is not valid. Their excuse is solved, for non idn domain, implementing this: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/articles...file_spec.html
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Re: Chrome slowing down IDN progress

Just because the browser displays unicode doesn't mean that it can't self-reference itself as punycode.
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Re: Chrome slowing down IDN progress

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Just because the browser displays unicode doesn't mean that it can't self-reference itself as punycode.
And this is done from a server side correct ?
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And this is done from a server side correct ?
Err.... No!
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Re: Chrome slowing down IDN progress

Is your script passing the domain/url as a param/Flashvar to your flash movie ?
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Re: Chrome slowing down IDN progress

Look, let's try to get a handle on this.

The Internet does not understand Unicode in Domain Names.

Computer's don't protocol each other with Domain Names. They use IP Addresses which are given to them by the ICANN Root.

The ICANN Root does not recognise Unicode, only Punycode.

The Browser does not send or receive Unicode in URL addresses at the first or second level. It only sends and receives Punycode.

Modern Browser are equiped to display Unicode, but to prevent Phishing often choose not to. The displaying of the Unicode is only ever for the benefit of the User. It is all about the Radio Test. Machines do not give a shit about the Radio Test. They therefore have no use for Unicode.
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Re: Chrome slowing down IDN progress

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Is your script passing the domain/url as a param/Flashvar to your flash movie ?
This may answer your question as im not 100% sure ...... actually i'll pm the link
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