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Old 19th February 2013, 02:36 PM
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i hand-regged a 70k exact 2 days ago. not claiming that it is a special name but it wasn't hard to find.

last week there was a dynadot auction where a ringtones in chinese or something like that was auctioned off not sure if it was renewed or the highest bidder got it but the auction ended around $700, i think it had at least 300k exact.

how much would you pay for ringtones.com in ascii? (with 360k exact) 1000 times as much?

so i think some good opportunities still exist.

porno.com cost RS 33k and made 15 millions so far i think.

that is 500 times what he paid for it.

Fair enough, but we are clearly talking about diamond type names and to be specific Idn's or so I thought. A name with 70,000 exacty you use as an example would unfortunately not even qualify as a top 500 name although it might be a decent name. So lets get one thing straight here "decent" is not "diamond". I think this is where all the confusion stems from.
The question of where do you draw the line between "decent" and "diamond"?

someones trash might be someone elses treasure dilemna, but lets take all the personal emotions out of the equation for a second..... when we look at a primary word for bank, gold, insurance, realestate, automobile, or even mortgage in .com in all the applied for verisign scripts, you clearly have a diamond type name. You many call it premium, AAA grade, whatever the lingo, cringo. Similarily, you know a "decent" name when you see one as well. However, no matter how many different dictionary definitions you have of the word "decent", a decent name is not a diamond type name. Could happen over time, im not denying the possibility.

Furthermore, if we deem those diamonds in the pic to represent opportunity, then yes, i agree... plenty of opportunity left in the game. On the other hand, if those diamonds in the pic represent even top 200 names in the applied for languages, then Id have to disagree and say best of luck and keep digging.
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The question of where do you draw the line between "decent" and "diamond"?
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There is no such line. Moreover , different markets have different 'diamond' names.
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Old 19th February 2013, 03:09 PM
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There is no such line. Moreover , different markets have different 'diamond' names.
There might be no physical dividing line that exists, but there are mutual grounds, standards and common understandings that exist to help compare/contrast and seperate decent from diamond. Those distinguishing grounds might be traffic revenue, previous sales of the specific name in ascii or a different script/language, how strong is the demand for that name, and what is the general overall universal perception of that specific term.

.....And yes you are right that different scripts/languages might have theyre own diamonds but at the same token, bank, credit, realestate, automobile, gold and plenty of others in .com are a diamond in any market. I think we can both agree on that.

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well if you define a diamond name as diamond.com, realestate.com etc. then i agree 100%

but even these do still drop (not often but they do) sometimes but they seem to go to snapnames usually and can be costly.

video.com in japanese was auctioned off recently(over 30k). wine.com in chinese(10k) dropped i think, realestate.com(10k) in korean,.

so if you get lucky (and have the cash) you may still able to get one or two of these.

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Old 19th February 2013, 03:24 PM
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At the moment one would be considered extremely lucky to find one or two diamonds in the rough via drops never mind a handful. Just being realistic, don't mean to poop on anyone's parade.

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Glad we agree. I guess it all comes down to do you see the glass as half empty or half full. I look at the picture and see untapped diamonds, you look at the picture and see opportunity, someone else will look at the same picture and think, wow, why arn't these guys using drills or escavators?

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sorry for the missunderstanding.. my definition of diamond in the rough was everything that has the potential to be valuable not necessarily restricted to top 200.
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sorry for the missunderstanding.. my definition of diamond in the rough was everything that has the potential to be valuable not necessarily restricted to top 200.
There will always be misunderstandings, and debates, but thats okay, if there wasnt we would have nothing better to do with our spare time. Besides, different opinions, create healthy discussions, which lead to aquaintences, beer, and friendship.
You just have to be open to others way of thinking.

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It all depends on what you want to achieve. There are always a number of decent traffic domains out there.
Yep but people own them.
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i'm noticing many more whois inquiries for my idn.com names at gdaddy in the whois monthly reports.
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who cares about whois inquiries, with all due respect they dont matter. What matters is if you want to sell your top domains/diamonds/whatever you want to call it, can u get XX,XXX usd at least for them tomorrow? i doubt it very much.
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who cares about whois inquiries, with all due respect they dont matter. What matters is if you want to sell your top domains/diamonds/whatever you want to call it, can u get XX,XXX usd at least for them tomorrow? i doubt it very much.
i think a lot more actually.
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no IDN is worth more than XX,XXX at this stage of the game, not right now. 99% of active bloggers on this website are owners of IDNs that held them for a long time and therefore net net they are better sellers of IDNs into strength rather than buyers of IDNs into weakness. That to me is a negative. It is also difficult for a lot of users here to admit/see the truth: the risks going forward are still high, we all know them by heart.

If i show XX,XXX bids to people here, majority will think very hard about hitting that bid and some will actually do so. But of course no one will admit here in the open forum.
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Old 20th February 2013, 09:42 PM
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no IDN is worth more than XX,XXX at this stage of the game, not right now. 99% of active bloggers on this website are owners of IDNs that held them for a long time and therefore net net they are better sellers of IDNs into strength rather than buyers of IDNs into weakness. That to me is a negative. It is also difficult for a lot of users here to admit/see the truth: the risks going forward are still high, we all know them by heart.

If i show XX,XXX bids to people here, majority will think very hard about hitting that bid and some will actually do so. But of course no one will admit here in the open forum.
The reason why hardly anyone on this forum will spend upwards of 10k on group or single idns is because they have managed to aquire idns over time for either reg fee or really cheap. Why would you spend 10k for something you baught for 100 bucks or less many years ago, it just makes little sense. Another reason might be that since idnf members have been renewing and aquiring names for years, they might rather use the 10k for renewals and minor idn purchases. Not everyone has 10k to blow on a single name, but that does not mean that the idn is not worth this amount. If you ask most senior members to sell you their best idn.com i doubt that they would.
But could a top idn.com sell for upwards of 10k now on idnf? We have proof that it can. Can a top idn be sold to an end user right now? thats been proven as well. It sure can.

I remember reading about someone in this forumn owning an arabic.com idn that rakes in roughly $500-$1000 a month (if im not mistaking.) A name like that would surely be worth more then 10K.

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Is this picture still interesting ?
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Is this picture still interesting ?
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I don't know what to think that why I inquired lol.
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I don't know what to think that why I inquired lol.
i don't know either but i think the next year will be very interesting.

I think anything is could happen. Either IDNs finally start to take off or we will be seeing major sell offs from disappointed investors as the translits remain unpopular. Maybe the market will stay flat.

To be honest i have no idea.
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I don't know what to think that why I inquired lol.
Right now, this image has a totally different meaning than when it was first posted. The diamonds are there, but we may have been using the wrong tools.

At some point, we need to look this monster in the eye, and recognize that our mistakes may be the best that we get out of this crazy venture.

Recent developments with PIR set a bad precedent. Possibly devastating.

New gTLDs are now available for general registration in Chinese, Russian, Japanese, Arabic and Hindi (possibly others, I can't keep track).

Reliance on Verisign has all but failed. There is no timetable for overcoming their current hurdles, and that time will create opportunities for the competition. Back in the day I'm sure you remember .ws and .biz names were considered "premium" by some. At this point, .com and .net are in danger of falling to lower-tiers because of Verisign's inability to negotiate ICANN's requirements in a timely manner.

There was no way to foresee this ten, five or even two years ago, but it seems that it's much easier to launch an entirely new TLD than to expand an established TLD into additional character set.

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Either IDNs finally start to take off or we will be seeing major sell offs from disappointed investors as the translits remain unpopular.
The biggest fear is that both IDNs take off and we see major sell-offs because translits (Verisign/PIR) are unpopular. The new gTLDs may have take hold by the time Verisign gets its ducks in a row.

If IDNs don't actually take hold in native countries for another 3-5 years, then we have status quo, and an opportunity for Verisign to make an impact. I think most of us would welcome that.
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At some point, we need to look this monster in the eye, and recognize that our mistakes may be the best that we get out of this crazy venture.


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