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Old 22nd March 2013, 08:39 PM
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Objections filed against .com and .org IDN top level domains

If there's one thing I know I'm not, it's not an IDN expert.

So I'm posting this here to get any additional information you might have about the objections filed against .ком and .орг.

Any intel on the objectors is appreciated.
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Old 22nd March 2013, 09:11 PM
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Re: Objections filed against .com and .org IDN top level domains

It seems that Legato ltd is a subsidiary of Regtime.

Link in Russian

So, alt root provider trying to get something for nothing.

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Old 22nd March 2013, 09:16 PM
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Re: Objections filed against .com and .org IDN top level domains

Isn't April Fools day a week and some odd days away still?
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Re: Objections filed against .com and .org IDN top level domains

Interesting. Perhaps Legato is the one that actually offered the alt root domains.
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Old 22nd March 2013, 09:28 PM
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Re: Objections filed against .com and .org IDN top level domains

Is this the same guy that applied for .ryc ? (Regtime I mean)

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Re: Objections filed against .com and .org IDN top level domains

555 would probably know more
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Re: Objections filed against .com and .org IDN top level domains

To file a Legal Rights Objection you are supposed to have "Standing."

I cannot see how either of these two outfits will be deemed to have Standing in this issue. I think they have just pissed their wad down the pan.
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They claim to have standing by operating alternative root operations.
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Re: Objections filed against .com and .org IDN top level domains

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They claim to have standing by operating alternative root operations.
So if you want to be FED Chairman then you need forgery on your CV?
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Re: Objections filed against .com and .org IDN top level domains

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They claim to have standing by operating alternative root operations.
Yeah. That'll work. Not.
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Re: Objections filed against .com and .org IDN top level domains

Here is the section of the Applicant Guidebook that discusses objection procedures:
http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applica...04jun12-en.pdf. The relevant section is 3.5.2, starting on page 3-18.

To have "standing", the objector must have a registered or unregistered trademark on the applied-for string. I'm too lazy to figure out how to search the Russian Federation trademark database, but it wouldn't surprise me if Regtime had managed to obtain trademarks for .ком and .орг.

.рус, by the way, is a "community application" filed by "Rusnames Ltd."; I don't know if they are affiliated with Regtime.

So it looks like .ком will be delayed while this dispute is being adjudicated. One result is that Verisign will have to announce its plans for aliasing of the other .com-in-IDN gTLDs, well before they sign a contract with ICANN for .ком. Likewise for PIR and .орг. So if Verisign had been hoping to keep their plans a secret until all contracts were signed, they are out of luck.

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Re: Objections filed against .com and .org IDN top level domains

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.рус, by the way, is a "community application" filed by "Rusnames Ltd."; I don't know if they are affiliated with Regtime.
After two minutes of googling:

Rusnames.ru and rusnames.com are owned by regtime.net. So I guess that answers that question. Also, if you visit rusnames.ru, you'll see that they offer the opportunity to register third-level domains under .ком.рф, .нет.рф, and .орг.рф.

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Re: Objections filed against .com and .org IDN top level domains

By the way, Regtime is a company registered in Hong Kong.
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Re: Objections filed against .com and .org IDN top level domains

Third post in a row on this topic.

On the webnames.ru blog (webnames.ru is the domain that regtime.net redirects to) is a new blog post in Russian whose title translates to "The domains .КОМ and .ОРГ must belong to Runet". It's a long post, and I haven't read all of it yet. But it states that .ком and .орг are trademarks of webnames.ru, and it goes on at length about how Russian-language TLDs should be controlled by Russia.

Another new webnames.ru post quotes the director of Webnames.ru, Sergei Sharikov, as saying "Судьба доменов .КОМ и .ОРГ затрагивает национальные интересы России в доменном пространстве." This translates to "The fate of the .КОМ and .ОРГ domains affect Russia's national interests in the domain space." And so on and so forth.

But to state the obvious, even though Webnames.ru owns the Russian Federation trademarks for .ком and .орг, their case before WIPO is weak.

Here is why Regtime's Legal Rights Objection will fail.

In an older blog post (2011), Webnames.ru states that they are the owners of the Russian trademarks КОМ, НЕТ and ОРГ.

But the presence of НЕТ in this list essentially destroys their case.

They might be able to claim that КОМ and ОРГ are abbreviations of the Russian words for "commerce" and "organization", but НЕТ is the Russian word for "no" (the Russian word for "net" is сеть). So clearly they chose the bundle КОМ, НЕТ and ОРГ solely because they sound like COM, NET, ORG, and not because they independently invented these particular TLDs.

Webnames.ru has no more rights to КОМ, НЕТ and ОРГ (which as I've just shown have no other possible meaning than as the transliterations of COM, NET, and ORG) than a random Russian has the rights to Порше (the transliteration of Porsche), even if the Russian Federation trademark office mistakenly granted them a trademark.

Hopefully Verisign's and PIR's lawyers will be able to make these points to the WIPO tribunal, and end this farce.

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Re: Objections filed against .com and .org IDN top level domains

Nice find Avtal

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Re: Objections filed against .com and .org IDN top level domains

These guys are clearly drunk on their own cool-aid. If they want to be part of the ICANN root, they must play by ICANN's rules, not simply bash California laws, make sovereignty claims and name drop (ICANN archnemesis) ITU in a blog post.
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Russian-language TLDs should be controlled by Russia.
And speaking English requires paying taxes to the Queen.

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These guys are clearly drunk on their own cool-aid. If they want to be part of the ICANN root, they must play by ICANN's rules, not simply bash California laws, make sovereignty claims and name drop (ICANN archnemesis) ITU in a blog post.
He explicitly says that he's trying to get Russia's GAC representative (Igor Milashevskiy, according to the GAC website) to bring this case before the GAC. But Mr. Milashevskiy would look pretty foolish defending Webname.ru's "right" to the translits of Verisign's and PIR's IP. He might as well demand that the GAG give Webnames.ru exclusive rights to .тойота.

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Re: Objections filed against .com and .org IDN top level domains

it think no such thing as bad publicity and if anything i think this is great news! shows how valuable those extensions are and that's coming from locals too that are supposedly all so "happy" with .ru
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