IDN Forums - Internationalized Domain Names  
Home | Advertise on idnforums | Premium Membership

Go Back   IDN Forums - Internationalized Domain Names > Internationalized Domain Names > Internationalized Domain Name News

Internationalized Domain Name News Recent IDN related News

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #41 (permalink)  
Old 13th July 2013, 03:04 AM
clipper's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: The Office
Posts: 1,006
iTrader: (26)
Rep Power: 3152
clipper is a jewel in the roughclipper is a jewel in the roughclipper is a jewel in the roughclipper is a jewel in the roughclipper is a jewel in the roughclipper is a jewel in the roughclipper is a jewel in the roughclipper is a jewel in the roughclipper is a jewel in the roughclipper is a jewel in the roughclipper is a jewel in the rough
Re: Verisign confirms their IDN aliasing plans, hooray!

Quote:
Originally Posted by alpha View Post
done.
  • 7 Pain in the ass members
Thanks for thinking of me!
__________________
;-)
Reply With Quote
  #42 (permalink)  
Old 13th July 2013, 06:56 AM
Rubber Duck's Avatar
Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Czech Republic (For those of you from USA = Chechnya)
Posts: 15,929
iTrader: (59)
Rep Power: 4551
Rubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura about
Re: Verisign confirms their IDN aliasing plans, hooray!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewbert View Post
Join the queue. I'm holding your spot for you.
I rather suspect that today's news has been influenced by a couple of PIAs from here. Timing is just too coincidental.

Any way, Verisign have stepped up to the mark as requested, so we will not spoil the moment by questioning their motives.
__________________
All offers to sell are void.
Reply With Quote
  #43 (permalink)  
Old 13th July 2013, 07:26 AM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: England
Posts: 58
iTrader: (1)
Rep Power: 559
JColson is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: Verisign confirms their IDN aliasing plans, hooray!

A fine start to the weekend! Glad to be out of hibernation finally
Reply With Quote
  #44 (permalink)  
Old 13th July 2013, 07:41 AM
Rubber Duck's Avatar
Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Czech Republic (For those of you from USA = Chechnya)
Posts: 15,929
iTrader: (59)
Rep Power: 4551
Rubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura about
Re: Verisign confirms their IDN aliasing plans, hooray!

Quote:
Originally Posted by JColson View Post
A fine start to the weekend! Glad to be out of hibernation finally
Don't order the Yacht just yet, we still need to see some improvements on the cashflow side before we make that appointment at Sunseekers.
__________________
All offers to sell are void.
Reply With Quote
  #45 (permalink)  
Old 13th July 2013, 11:05 AM
domainguru's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 3,835
iTrader: (14)
Rep Power: 2558
domainguru has a spectacular aura aboutdomainguru has a spectacular aura aboutdomainguru has a spectacular aura aboutdomainguru has a spectacular aura aboutdomainguru has a spectacular aura aboutdomainguru has a spectacular aura aboutdomainguru has a spectacular aura aboutdomainguru has a spectacular aura aboutdomainguru has a spectacular aura about
Re: Verisign confirms their IDN aliasing plans, hooray!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubber Duck View Post
I rather suspect that today's news has been influenced by a couple of PIAs from here. Timing is just too coincidental.

Any way, Verisign have stepped up to the mark as requested, so we will not spoil the moment by questioning their motives.
Except their blog clearly says:

"Recently, Verisign announced details about our IDN.IDN implementation plans."

So the actual announcement was made sometime earlier somewhere else. When and where we are waiting to find out ...
Reply With Quote
  #46 (permalink)  
Old 13th July 2013, 02:28 PM
Rubber Duck's Avatar
Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Czech Republic (For those of you from USA = Chechnya)
Posts: 15,929
iTrader: (59)
Rep Power: 4551
Rubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura about
Re: Verisign confirms their IDN aliasing plans, hooray!

Quote:
Originally Posted by domainguru View Post
Except their blog clearly says:

"Recently, Verisign announced details about our IDN.IDN implementation plans."

So the actual announcement was made sometime earlier somewhere else. When and where we are waiting to find out ...
The announcement was probably made to ICANN in the form of a Public Interest Statement after it became clear that without such a statement their application would be subject to extended delays, just like Google and Amazon are rushing out statements in regard to Generics.

They are clearly looking to Ink the contract in Durban.
__________________
All offers to sell are void.

Last edited by Rubber Duck; 13th July 2013 at 02:41 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #47 (permalink)  
Old 13th July 2013, 04:02 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: The Golden West
Posts: 921
iTrader: (0)
Rep Power: 3283
Avtal is a jewel in the roughAvtal is a jewel in the roughAvtal is a jewel in the roughAvtal is a jewel in the roughAvtal is a jewel in the roughAvtal is a jewel in the roughAvtal is a jewel in the roughAvtal is a jewel in the roughAvtal is a jewel in the roughAvtal is a jewel in the roughAvtal is a jewel in the roughAvtal is a jewel in the rough
Re: Verisign confirms their IDN aliasing plans, hooray!

ICANN has now posted the letter from Pat Kane:

http://www.icann.org/en/news/corresp...ett-11jul13-en (this link is for the summary page, which points to the pdf file of the letter).

Oddly, the letter doesn't give any more details about "rights protection mechanisms". But it does contain this: "Finally, we continue to study our pricing models for this new and innovative product set. Verisign's IDN applications currently envision a specific flat price point, but as our market research matures and is finalized, we may launch the IDN TLDs at a different price point. We will notify you once our pricing determinations have been finalized."

He also writes, "Verisign intends to shortly initiate a broad communications plan to educate and inform our community about our IDN implementation planning."

Avtal
Reply With Quote
  #48 (permalink)  
Old 13th July 2013, 04:04 PM
squirrel's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 2,940
iTrader: (11)
Rep Power: 7124
squirrel is a name known to all
squirrel is a name known to allsquirrel is a name known to allsquirrel is a name known to allsquirrel is a name known to allsquirrel is a name known to allsquirrel is a name known to allsquirrel is a name known to allsquirrel is a name known to allsquirrel is a name known to allsquirrel is a name known to all
Re: Verisign confirms their IDN aliasing plans, hooray!

I think the RPM he's referring to is the TMClearingHouse, I think every new reg has to go through it for a certain period of time. The TMCH cannot block registrations, it only serves as a mechanism to warn both the registrant and the TM holder that their might be an issue. If that's what the letter is referring to, then it's shouldn't be problematic to us.
Reply With Quote
  #49 (permalink)  
Old 13th July 2013, 04:07 PM
squirrel's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 2,940
iTrader: (11)
Rep Power: 7124
squirrel is a name known to all
squirrel is a name known to allsquirrel is a name known to allsquirrel is a name known to allsquirrel is a name known to allsquirrel is a name known to allsquirrel is a name known to allsquirrel is a name known to allsquirrel is a name known to allsquirrel is a name known to allsquirrel is a name known to all
Re: Verisign confirms their IDN aliasing plans, hooray!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubber Duck View Post
I rather suspect that today's news has been influenced by a couple of PIAs from here. Timing is just too coincidental.
yup looks like it

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat Kane Letter
We wanted to provide ICANN with more detail about our IDN.IDN plans in view of the public comments directed to ICANN and as I discussed with Akram Atallah on April 10, 2013
Reply With Quote
  #50 (permalink)  
Old 13th July 2013, 04:12 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: The Golden West
Posts: 921
iTrader: (0)
Rep Power: 3283
Avtal is a jewel in the roughAvtal is a jewel in the roughAvtal is a jewel in the roughAvtal is a jewel in the roughAvtal is a jewel in the roughAvtal is a jewel in the roughAvtal is a jewel in the roughAvtal is a jewel in the roughAvtal is a jewel in the roughAvtal is a jewel in the roughAvtal is a jewel in the roughAvtal is a jewel in the rough
Re: Verisign confirms their IDN aliasing plans, hooray!

The Rights Protection Mechanism also requires a Sunrise Period, during which owners of certain qualified trademarks can register their trademarks ahead of ordinary registrants.

Fortunately, there do not seem to be very many non-Latin trademarks in the Trademark Clearing House.

But what happens during the Sunrise Period if a holder of an IDN trademark applies for IDN.com-in-IDN, and someone already owns IDN.com? Do they block each each other? That hasn't been clarified yet.

Avtal
Reply With Quote
  #51 (permalink)  
Old 13th July 2013, 04:22 PM
Jay's Avatar
Jay Jay is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Where angels fear to tread
Posts: 1,304
iTrader: (23)
Rep Power: 1737
Jay will become famous soon enoughJay will become famous soon enoughJay will become famous soon enoughJay will become famous soon enoughJay will become famous soon enoughJay will become famous soon enoughJay will become famous soon enoughJay will become famous soon enough
Re: Verisign confirms their IDN aliasing plans, hooray!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Avtal View Post
But what happens during the Sunrise Period if a holder of an IDN trademark applies for IDN.com-in-IDN, and someone already owns IDN.com? Do they block each each other? That hasn't been clarified yet.
I think that would have to be sorted out by WIPO, in which case the IDN.com holder might have to surrender their domain.
Reply With Quote
  #52 (permalink)  
Old 13th July 2013, 04:46 PM
Rubber Duck's Avatar
Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Czech Republic (For those of you from USA = Chechnya)
Posts: 15,929
iTrader: (59)
Rep Power: 4551
Rubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura about
Re: Verisign confirms their IDN aliasing plans, hooray!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay View Post
I think that would have to be sorted out by WIPO, in which case the IDN.com holder might have to surrender their domain.
Which is not actually a change from the status quo over the last decade.
__________________
All offers to sell are void.
Reply With Quote
  #53 (permalink)  
Old 13th July 2013, 04:48 PM
Rubber Duck's Avatar
Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Czech Republic (For those of you from USA = Chechnya)
Posts: 15,929
iTrader: (59)
Rep Power: 4551
Rubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura about
Re: Verisign confirms their IDN aliasing plans, hooray!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Avtal View Post
The Rights Protection Mechanism also requires a Sunrise Period, during which owners of certain qualified trademarks can register their trademarks ahead of ordinary registrants.

Fortunately, there do not seem to be very many non-Latin trademarks in the Trademark Clearing House.

But what happens during the Sunrise Period if a holder of an IDN trademark applies for IDN.com-in-IDN, and someone already owns IDN.com? Do they block each each other? That hasn't been clarified yet.

Avtal
It is pretty clear that any new registration even during the Sunrise if it occurs at all for transliterations will be blocked by the existing registration and the only recourse will be WIPO.
__________________
All offers to sell are void.
Reply With Quote
  #54 (permalink)  
Old 13th July 2013, 05:12 PM
TrafficDomainer's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,070
iTrader: (10)
Rep Power: 860
TrafficDomainer is on a distinguished roadTrafficDomainer is on a distinguished roadTrafficDomainer is on a distinguished roadTrafficDomainer is on a distinguished roadTrafficDomainer is on a distinguished roadTrafficDomainer is on a distinguished road
Re: Verisign confirms their IDN aliasing plans, hooray!

Excellent news in a long time for us IDNholders. Congrats to all who with the patience for all these years. I hope Verisign would make the activations initially free or very low cost to entice widespread idn.idn adoption and raise prices later as the market will bear.

Verisign needs to invest heavily to promote idn.idn in native languages. A case in point for the Thai marlet, I believe idn.ไทย (despite the free activation) hasn't taken off as much as idn.th because THNIC hasn't promoted the full native version as much and even after a year or so of launch, there are still more idn.th developed sites than that of idn.ไทย

Any idea on the new timeline when idn.idn for .coms will actually be launched?

Last edited by TrafficDomainer; 13th July 2013 at 05:13 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #55 (permalink)  
Old 13th July 2013, 05:49 PM
Edwin's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Cambridge, UK
Posts: 966
iTrader: (6)
Rep Power: 946
Edwin is on a distinguished roadEdwin is on a distinguished roadEdwin is on a distinguished roadEdwin is on a distinguished roadEdwin is on a distinguished roadEdwin is on a distinguished road
Re: Verisign confirms their IDN aliasing plans, hooray!

At last, we move towards the end game!
__________________
JapaneseDomains.com - cheap .jp registrations, English interface, no local presence needed. Alphabet and IDN names. Hefty bulk discounts.
Please don't PM me for appraisals or translations, thanks.
All sales threads over 1 week old are no longer valid, period!
Reply With Quote
  #56 (permalink)  
Old 13th July 2013, 06:10 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,229
iTrader: (29)
Rep Power: 1089
chrisofmel is on a distinguished roadchrisofmel is on a distinguished roadchrisofmel is on a distinguished roadchrisofmel is on a distinguished roadchrisofmel is on a distinguished roadchrisofmel is on a distinguished road
Re: Verisign confirms their IDN aliasing plans, hooray!

question

so i own аниме.com
i activate аниме.ком

will they both receive traffic or does it all resolve to аниме.ком ?
Reply With Quote
  #57 (permalink)  
Old 13th July 2013, 06:32 PM
Rubber Duck's Avatar
Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Czech Republic (For those of you from USA = Chechnya)
Posts: 15,929
iTrader: (59)
Rep Power: 4551
Rubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura aboutRubber Duck has a spectacular aura about
Re: Verisign confirms their IDN aliasing plans, hooray!

Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisofmel View Post
question

so i own аниме.com
i activate аниме.ком

will they both receive traffic or does it all resolve to аниме.ком ?
No if you read the ICANN letter it is clear that they are independent registries linked by registration policies/protocols. But they have to be at the same registrar and have the same Nameservers. So you will have to use the same parking service or host them at the same hosting service.
__________________
All offers to sell are void.
Reply With Quote
  #58 (permalink)  
Old 13th July 2013, 07:16 PM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 35
iTrader: (0)
Rep Power: 539
coconut is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: Verisign confirms their IDN aliasing plans, hooray!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubber Duck View Post
I rather suspect that today's news has been influenced by a couple of PIAs from here. Timing is just too coincidental.
A big thank you to those PIAs.
Reply With Quote
  #59 (permalink)  
Old 14th July 2013, 01:54 AM
domainguru's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 3,835
iTrader: (14)
Rep Power: 2558
domainguru has a spectacular aura aboutdomainguru has a spectacular aura aboutdomainguru has a spectacular aura aboutdomainguru has a spectacular aura aboutdomainguru has a spectacular aura aboutdomainguru has a spectacular aura aboutdomainguru has a spectacular aura aboutdomainguru has a spectacular aura aboutdomainguru has a spectacular aura about
Re: Verisign confirms their IDN aliasing plans, hooray!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubber Duck View Post
No if you read the ICANN letter it is clear that they are independent registries linked by registration policies/protocols. But they have to be at the same registrar and have the same Nameservers. So you will have to use the same parking service or host them at the same hosting service.
Yeah its very clear they will be "separate registrations", with independent renewal dates etc.

What Pat doesn't make clear at all, maybe they are still working on it, is how the linking will *actually* be done.

Forcing domains to use the same nameservers does nothing in and of itself. As a domain reseller I have 20K domains using eNom's nameservers, but no two have the same host records.

You need to ensure the actual host records are *identical* if you want to say you are implementing aliasing. If the host records don't match up 100%, that's not aliasing at all.

So somehow VeriSign will have to ensure matching host records.

Fascinating to see how they do that .....
Reply With Quote
  #60 (permalink)  
Old 14th July 2013, 03:01 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: The Golden West
Posts: 921
iTrader: (0)
Rep Power: 3283
Avtal is a jewel in the roughAvtal is a jewel in the roughAvtal is a jewel in the roughAvtal is a jewel in the roughAvtal is a jewel in the roughAvtal is a jewel in the roughAvtal is a jewel in the roughAvtal is a jewel in the roughAvtal is a jewel in the roughAvtal is a jewel in the roughAvtal is a jewel in the roughAvtal is a jewel in the rough
Re: Verisign confirms their IDN aliasing plans, hooray!

Quote:
Originally Posted by domainguru View Post
You need to ensure the actual host records are *identical* if you want to say you are implementing aliasing. If the host records don't match up 100%, that's not aliasing at all.

So somehow VeriSign will have to ensure matching host records.
Verisign says one purpose of their plan is to "avoid end-user confusion". But despite the title I gave this thread, they don't use the word "aliasing" in their letter. So they have probably decided that the requirements that they have put in place are sufficient. Even if Verisign put in stricter requirements (identical host records for instance), the registrant could still cause confusion if sufficiently foolish.

Avtal
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT. The time now is 03:13 AM.

Site Sponsors
Your ad here
buy t-shirt
מחיר הזהב

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0
Copyright idnforums.com 2005

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54