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Old 29th August 2013, 08:19 AM
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afrikaans language tag registration

about 60% of my hand-regs were regged with the afrikaans language tag.

will this have any effect on activating IDN.IDN?

From my understanding the language tag is used to identify the proper variant table and thus create or not create variants of the domain.

This may have some consequences in practice in language such as chinese i believe or maybe even arabic not sure though.

For example i did some tests and i believe that a chinese domain regged with the proper chinese language tag will create and thus block the traditional or mixed/traditional/simplified versions.

The same domain registered with an afrikaans tag will not not use the chinese variant table and thus will not create and block the traditional or simplified versions.

which means that the holder of a simplified chinese domain with an afrikaans tag may not have the rights to the traditional version(unless they do a second registration) and vice versa.

i may be wrong, i have tested this only once and there may be other reasons for what i have observed.
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Old 29th August 2013, 10:52 AM
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AW: afrikaans language tag registration

interessting question.
is it possible to change the language tag?
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Re: AW: afrikaans language tag registration

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interessting question.
is it possible to change the language tag?
No. They cannot be changed because they only exist for the duration of the actual registration process. Once the registration is complete they no longer exist, and hence cannot be changed.
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Re: afrikaans language tag registration

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Old 29th August 2013, 01:32 PM
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No once you choose it will determine the variant language table and this cannot be undone unless the domain is deleted.
Right and wrong. It determines the variant table so that it can check compliance with IDNA standards and if it is the the registration goes through. If not it fails. But either way, the data is not retained. So regardless of which option was chosen, it doesn't matter after that.

Of course, it should have failed if you picked Afrikaans for Chinese, but it only really matters if some contraints are in place. For many languages such contraints are a recent occurance.

However, smuggling through non compliant domains won't help you much, as they won't resolve and will eventually not be renewable.
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Re: afrikaans language tag registration

Which registrar(s) still make you pick a language tag ? Godaddy ?
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Re: afrikaans language tag registration

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Re: afrikaans language tag registration

right, I had never realized.

I'm pretty sure I've regged chinese domains in the past without selecting a language tag and the variant was blocked. Didn't Alex variant-block himself out of a reg not too long ago using Dynadot ? 1 year ago or something like that ?
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Re: afrikaans language tag registration

Ugh... really. This kind of sucks.
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Re: afrikaans language tag registration

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right, I had never realized.

I'm pretty sure I've regged chinese domains in the past without selecting a language tag and the variant was blocked. Didn't Alex variant-block himself out of a reg not too long ago using Dynadot ? 1 year ago or something like that ?
maybe there is an other reason for this. as i said i tested this only once. might be a coincidence. it's just that i don't remember exactly what are afrikaans and what have proper tags so i can not verify this.

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Re: afrikaans language tag registration

When IDNs were first made available I don't recall having to indicate a language tag. Would those domains have automatically been assigned one at some stage?
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Re: afrikaans language tag registration

I don't believe those language tags were ever used. Heck, some registrars don't even have them.

I believe VeriSign put them in place because they thought they might be needed.

Many many IDN registrations contain the wrong (or default) tag i.e. the tags are effectively useless.

When it comes to doing IDN.com translit "registrations", it won't be based on these tags. At least you won't be prevented by activating if you chose the wrong tag or used a registrar that didn't ask for a tag.
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I don't believe those language tags were ever used. Heck, some registrars don't even have them.

I believe VeriSign put them in place because they thought they might be needed.

Many many IDN registrations contain the wrong (or default) tag i.e. the tags are effectively useless.

When it comes to doing IDN.com translit "registrations", it won't be based on these tags. At least you won't be prevented by activating if you chose the wrong tag or used a registrar that didn't ask for a tag.
I thought better of you.

This is nonsense.

Tags are not retained after registration.
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Old 31st August 2013, 08:36 AM
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Re: afrikaans language tag registration

Cannot find original documents but language tags came way after IDN so older registrations pre- date them.

Communication at registrant level was almost non- existent so nobody is likely to lose anything as target audience would be mos severely affected as ICANN was talking to everyone in English at that time.

Then there is the sales issues. What happens if you bought from Godaddy in Auction? Did not drop, so no resetting of tags. Did they communicate settings? Would they even know?

Trust me Tags are legacy junk!
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Re: afrikaans language tag registration

I believe The Duck is correct. Registration tags were used during registration only.

Some registrars checked the language tag you gave to ensure all the characters matched up with the appropriate IDN table at http://www.iana.org/domains/idn-tables, but the registries (com, at least) haven't got any extra fields in the registration database to store the tag, so it's ditched after registration.

Opensrs was notorious for requiring correct registration tags. Of course, when someone like .info added a new script, if Opensrs didn't update their system to allow the tag BEFORE registrations were switched on, you couldn't reg via opensrs. Very frustrating.

The registrar might still know which tag you picked, but the registry doesn't have a clue.
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The registrar might still know which tag you picked, but the registry doesn't have a clue.
Not if you have transferred them they won't!
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