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New Post by Verisign on ICANN site

Verisign post regarding the Draft Rights Protection Mechanism (RPM) Requirements for IDN TLDs that attempts to resolve any issues and minimize user confusion.

http://forum.icann.org/lists/comment.../msg00037.html

More to follow......
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Re: New Post by Verisign on ICANN site

Thanks for finding this! This is great news. Until now, Verisign has remained silent on conflicts between trademark-owner rights and IDN.com registrant rights.

In this email, Chuck Gomes asks ICANN for permission to give priority to IDN.com registrants.

This is removes a lot of uncertainty, assuming ICANN agrees to Verisign's request.

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P.S. I suspect, though, that per ICANN rules, IDN country names in certain languages will still be blocked in .com-in-IDN. And stay away from Olympic and Red Cross marks!
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Re: New Post by Verisign on ICANN site

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Re: New Post by Verisign on ICANN site

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P.S. I suspect, though, that per ICANN rules, IDN country names in certain languages will still be blocked in .com-in-IDN. And stay away from Olympic and Red Cross marks!
if true that would decrease the value of country names in IDN.com, in some cases a lot.

I believe it would apply to only the right side of the dot though. I think they mean .idncountry will be blocked not country.KOM

Since these are new rules they might decide to apply the same rules to the left side of the dot on the new .idncom but i don't think this is certain. At least i hope so.
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if true that would decrease the value of country names in IDN.com, in some cases a lot.

I believe it would apply to only the right side of the dot though. I think they mean .idncountry will be blocked not country.KOM

Since these are new rules they might decide to apply the same rules to the left side of the dot on the new .idncom but i don't think this is certain. At least i hope so.
It does apply to the left of the dot (second-level domains), unfortunately. Take a look at this document: http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applica...04jun12-en.pdf which is on this site: http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/agb. It is part of the applicant guidebook. Go to Specification 5 (p. 46). You'll find this:

5. Country and Territory Names. The country and territory names contained in the following internationally recognized lists shall be initially reserved at the second level and at all other levels within the TLD at which the Registry Operator provides for registrations:

I won't quote the rest, you can read it yourself; basically all country names in all 6 UN languages are blocked, plus the country name in the official language(s) of the country itself. This has been in the Applicant Guidebook for a couple of years now. There is a bit of weasel language at the end that may allow for exceptions.

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Re: New Post by Verisign on ICANN site

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It does apply to the left of the dot (second-level domains), unfortunately. Take a look at this document: http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applica...04jun12-en.pdf which is on this site: http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/agb. It is part of the applicant guidebook. Go to Specification 5 (p. 46). You'll find this:

5. Country and Territory Names. The country and territory names contained in the following internationally recognized lists shall be initially reserved at the second level and at all other levels within the TLD at which the Registry Operator provides for registrations:

I won't quote the rest, you can read it yourself; basically all country names in all 6 UN languages are blocked, plus the country name in the official language(s) of the country itself. This has been in the Applicant Guidebook for a couple of years now. There is a bit of weasel language at the end that may allow for exceptions.

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As usual, more questions than answers .... for instance IDN versions of country names not mentioned at all.

5.2 says "the United Nations Group of Experts on Geographical Names, Technical Reference Manual for the Standardization of Geographical Names, Part III Names of Countries of the World"

I presume that is what you are referring to when you say country.com will be blocked. But are they blocking the English version of the name or the local script one? Or both?

Also, does this concept allow for multiple blockages?

I managed to find this UN doc:

"Technical reference manual for the standardization of geographical names"

http://unstats.un.org/unsd/geoinfo/u...7_combined.pdf

Mostly about romanization of scripts into English but right at the end it does have a full table of country names, both in English and in local scripts, though confusingly for local scripts it has columns for "short name" and "formal name"

Thai short name is: ประเทศไทย (Prathet Thai)
Formal name is: ราชอาณาจักรไทย (Ratcha Anachak Thai)

But questions remain:

Are they reserving the Thai short name ประเทศไทย.คอม, or the English version of that, PrathetThai.คอม, or both?

And / or the formal version of the country name? ราชอาณาจักรไทย.คอม / RatchaAnachakThai.คอม

By the way, that UN document is an absolute bugger. God knows how they've done the fonts in the country list table but you can't copy / paste out of it, not even the English. Copy the English word "Tamil" out and it pastes in as "7DPLO" - go figure !!

The technical buffoonery of the UN seems to surpass ICANN even.
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Re: New Post by Verisign on ICANN site

http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applica...04jun12-en.pdf

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2.13 Can I apply for country name under the New gTLD Program?

Applications for strings that are country or territory names will not be approved, as they are not available under the New gTLD Program.

2.2.1.4.1 Treatment of Country or Territory Names 6
Applications for strings that are country or territory names
will not be approved, as they are not available under the
New gTLD Program in this application round. A string shall
be considered to be a country or territory name if:
i. it is an alpha-3 code listed in the ISO 3166-1
standard.
ii. it is a long-form name listed in the ISO 3166-1
standard, or a translation of the long-form
name in any language.
iii. it is a short-form name listed in the ISO 3166-1
standard, or a translation of the short-form
name in any language.
iv. it is the short- or long-form name association
with a code that has been designated as
“exceptionally reserved” by the ISO 3166
Maintenance Agency.
v. it is a separable component of a country
name designated on the “Separable
Country Names List,” or is a translation of a
name appearing on the list, in any
language. See the Annex at the end of this
module.
vi. it is a permutation or transposition of any of
the names included in items (i) through (v).
Permutations include removal of spaces,
insertion of punctuation, and addition or

removal of grammatical articles like “the.” A
transposition is considered a change in the
sequence of the long or short–form name,
for example, “RepublicCzech” or
“IslandsCayman.”
vii. it is a name by which a country is commonly
known, as demonstrated by evidence that
the country is recognized by that name by
an intergovernmental or treaty organization.
2.2.1.4.2 Geographic Names Requiring Government
Support
The following types of applied-for strings are considered
geographic names and must be accompanied by
documentation of support or non-objection from the
relevant governments or public authorities:

1. An application for any string that is a
representation, in any language, of the capital city
name of any country or territory listed in the ISO
3166-1 standard.
2. An application for a city name, where the
applicant declares that it intends to use the gTLD
for purposes associated with the city name.
City names present challenges because city names
may also be generic terms or brand names, and in
many cases city names are not unique. Unlike other
types of geographic names, there are no
established lists that can be used as objective
references in the evaluation process. Thus, city
names are not universally protected. However, the
process does provide a means for cities and
applicants to work together where desired.
An application for a city name will be subject to the
geographic names requirements (i.e., will require
documentation of support or non-objection from
the relevant governments or public authorities) if:
(a) It is clear from applicant statements within the
application that the applicant will use the TLD
primarily for purposes associated with the city
name; and Module 2
Evaluation Procedures


Applicant Guidebook | version 2012-06-04
2-18

(b) The applied-for string is a city name as listed on
official city documents. 7
3. An application for any string that is an exact match
of a sub-national place name, such as a county,
province, or state, listed in the ISO 3166-2 standard.
4. An application for a string listed as a UNESCO
region 8 or appearing on the “Composition of
macro geographical (continental) regions,
geographical sub-regions, and selected economic
and other groupings” list. 9

In the case of an application for a string appearing
on either of the lists above, documentation of
support will be required from at least 60% of the
respective national governments in the region, and
there may be no more than one written statement
of objection to the application from relevant
governments in the region and/or public authorities
associated with the continent or the region.
Where the 60% rule is applied, and there are
common regions on both lists, the regional
composition contained in the “Composition of
macro geographical (continental) regions,
geographical sub-regions, and selected economic
and other groupings” takes precedence.
An applied-for gTLD string that falls into any of 1 through 4
listed above is considered to represent a geographic
name. In the event of any doubt, it is in the applicant’s
interest to consult with relevant governments and public
authorities and enlist their support or non-objection prior to
submission of the application, in order to preclude possible
objections and pre-address any ambiguities concerning
the string and applicable requirements.
Strings that include but do not match a geographic name
(as defined in this section) will not be considered
geographic names as defined by section 2.2.1.4.2, and
therefore will not require documentation of government
support in the evaluation process.
Quote:
It is also possible that a government may withdraw its
support for an application at a later time, including after
the new gTLD has been delegated, if the registry operator
has deviated from the conditions of original support or non-
objection. Applicants should be aware that ICANN has
committed to governments that, in the event of a dispute
between a government (or public authority) and a registry
operator that submitted documentation of support from
that government or public authority, ICANN will comply
with a legally binding order from a court in the jurisdiction
of the government or public authority that has given
support to an application.
I hope all this applies not to second level domains...

Quote:
An application for a string listed as a UNESCO
region 8
http://www.unesco.org/new/en/unesco/worldwide/

This is also not clearly defined. What exactly is a "UNESCO Region" ?

Quote:
City governments with concerns about strings that are duplicates, nicknames or close renderings of a city name should not rely
on the evaluation process as the primary means of protecting their interests in a string. Rather, a government may elect to file a
formal objection to an application that is opposed by the relevant community, or may submit its own application for the string.

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Thanks squirrel! As you pointed out in that thread, ICANN has published a sample Registry Agreement, which supersedes the applicant guidebook. So, to gather the links in one place:

The sample Registry Agreement (start at p. 70): http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applica...02jul13-en.pdf

The UN list of country names (short and long) in the country's own official language(s) (start on page 185): http://unstats.un.org/unsd/geoinfo/u...7_combined.pdf

The UN list of country names (short and long) in the 6 languages of the UN (start on page 3): http://unstats.un.org/unsd/geoinfo/u...98-89-add1.pdf

Note that the UN seems to move their documents around a lot, so these links may break soon.

The Registry Agreement is worth looking at, because it clarifies some points that were ambiguous in the Applicant Guidebook.

Of course, it would be nice if ICANN created an official list, in unicode, of all blocked country names. But I'm not sure if either the registries or ICANN have noticed the need for this yet.

Avtal

P.S. 123: Your quotes from the applicant guidebook apply to new gTLDs, in other words they are restrictions on what can go to the right of the dot. They don't apply to second-level domains, to the left of the dot. (But "left" and "right" in this discussion are of course reversed for right-to-left scripts such as Hebrew and Arabic).
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P.S. 123: Your quotes from the applicant guidebook apply to new gTLDs, in other words they are restrictions on what can go to the right of the dot. They don't apply to second-level domains, to the left of the dot. (But "left" and "right" in this discussion are of course reversed for right-to-left scripts such as Hebrew and Arabic).
Ok Thanks. Great.

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The UN list of country names (short and long) in the 6 languages of the UN (start on page 3): http://unstats.un.org/unsd/geoinfo/u...98-89-add1.pdf
This would be Arabic, Chinese and Russian that are affected.
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Re: New Post by Verisign on ICANN site

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The UN list of country names (short and long) in the country's own official language(s) (start on page 185): http://unstats.un.org/unsd/geoinfo/u...7_combined.pdf

The UN list of country names (short and long) in the 6 languages of the UN (start on page 3): http://unstats.un.org/unsd/geoinfo/u...98-89-add1.pdf
silly question perhaps, but why just those 6 languages? what about i.e. Japanese, do they escape this restriction?
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Re: New Post by Verisign on ICANN site

Japan in japanese seems to be the only one affected.(yeah i know ;( ) Barbados in japanese would be fine. However Barbados in Russian or Chinese would not.
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Why the 6 lang. , I guess it's probably just a way to block english strings in new TLDs
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Japan in japanese seems to be the only one affected.(yeah i know ;( ) Barbados in japanese would be fine. However Barbados in Russian or Chinese would not.
For Chinese, we still don't know if .点看 will beat .com, so might end up being ok there.
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