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Old 20th September 2013, 09:42 AM
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Thunderbird v.24 supports IDN email addresses

http://www.mozilla.org/en/thunderbir.../releasenotes/

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Emails can now be sent to IDN based email addresses
Has anyone tried this new feature yet?
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Old 20th September 2013, 01:06 PM
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Re: Thunderbird v.24 supports IDN email addresses

Nope,
I have thunderbird tho, so if someone has a recepient addy I can send mail to, I'll try it
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Old 20th September 2013, 01:45 PM
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Re: Thunderbird v.24 supports IDN email addresses

i thought you needed a standard before you could implement it
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Re: Thunderbird v.24 supports IDN email addresses

I've read the update and actually it's only the domain part of the email address that is now shown in unicode.
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Re: Thunderbird v.24 supports IDN email addresses

Keep in mind that there are two levels of IDN email address.

The simpler form (which Thunderbird now supports) is "right of the @", in other words addresses that look like ascii@IDN.IDN. When the mail client sends these addresses to the mail server, the IDN parts are converted to punycode, so the mail reaches its destination the same way as non-IDN email would.

The more complicated form is "both sides of the @", in other words addresses that look like unicode@IDN.IDN. The standards for this have been developed (see this Wikipedia article), but not implemented. For it to work, mail servers will have to be updated to use the SMTPUTF8 extension. As domainguru has pointed out, people who run mail servers prefer not to update them if they don't have to. So even when the most popular Mail Transfer Agents (sendmail, postfix, etc) get around to implementing this, which they haven't yet, it will be several years (or decades) before "both sides of the @" email is delivered reliably.

The Opera email client (included with the Opera browser) has had "right of the @" IDN email for several years. Gmail and Yahoo mail haven't gotten around to implementing it yet. Outlook.com allows you to input addresses of the form ascii@IDN.IDN, but the IDN parts are immediately converted to punycode.

I consider "right of the @" IDN email to be fully implemented only if the mail client always shows the user unicode, not punycode, both for outgoing email and for incoming email. Does Thunderbird do this? If so, good news!

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Re: Thunderbird v.24 supports IDN email addresses

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Keep in mind that there are two levels of IDN email address.

The simpler form (which Thunderbird now supports) is "right of the @", in other words addresses that look like ascii@IDN.IDN. When the mail client sends these addresses to the mail server, the IDN parts are converted to punycode, so the mail reaches its destination the same way as non-IDN email would.

The more complicated form is "both sides of the @", in other words addresses that look like unicode@IDN.IDN. The standards for this have been developed (see this Wikipedia article), but not implemented. For it to work, mail servers will have to be updated to use the SMTPUTF8 extension. As domainguru has pointed out, people who run mail servers prefer not to update them if they don't have to. So even when the most popular Mail Transfer Agents (sendmail, postfix, etc) get around to implementing this, which they haven't yet, it will be several years (or decades) before "both sides of the @" email is delivered reliably.

The Opera email client (included with the Opera browser) has had "right of the @" IDN email for several years. Gmail and Yahoo mail haven't gotten around to implementing it yet. Outlook.com allows you to input addresses of the form ascii@IDN.IDN, but the IDN parts are immediately converted to punycode.

I consider "right of the @" IDN email to be fully implemented only if the mail client always shows the user unicode, not punycode, both for outgoing email and for incoming email. Does Thunderbird do this? If so, good news!

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Great summary. One small step for Thunderbird, one equally small step for IDN email
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Re: Thunderbird v.24 supports IDN email addresses

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