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Collision block lists for .онлайн and .сайт

Here are a couple of second-level block lists, for .онлайн and .сайт. I won't give a lot of background, see this DomainIncite article. These are not the geo-name block lists that we have discussed before; these are (from DomainIncite):

based on Day In The Life Of The Internet data, which recorded DNS root queries for applied-for gTLDs over 48-hour periods between 2006 and 2013.

If you go to the ICANN Registry Agreement site, and click on, say, the agreement for xn--80aswg (сайт), and in the Alternate Path to Delegation section click on List of SLDs to block, you will get the block list.

For .онлайн and .сайт I have extracted the IDNs (the ones starting with xn--) from the list, converted them to unicode, and alphabetized them.

So here is the block list for .онлайн:

карпати-шахтар (xn----7sbaba9bl5bigrd2b2b)
1тв (xn--1-dtb1c)
kначало (xn--k-8sba8bhj4d)
ru-англ (xn--ru--8cdp2cm)
аватарик (xn--80aaag6am4bo)
азаттык (xn--80aaun3ba7d)
акула (xn--80aa3ae3b)
акций (xn--80aqdc4d)
аллоды (xn--80aiuap3f)
алоды (xn--80aium0e)
анидаб (xn--80aadkt3a)
аниме (xn--80akiqd)
армениа (xn--80aaomshs)
бане (xn--80abn5a)
бг (xn--90ae)
бдсм (xn--90agyt)
бейсбол (xn--90aalqlrt)
бесплатно (xn--80abmylgdpm)
бетин (xn--90aijux)
библия (xn--90aaubo5j)
бигбрадър (xn--80abahhu2dc3g)
бокс (xn--90asln)
боровичи (xn--90acsa1aan3d)
борохолка (xn--80ab1adoaao0c)
ботва (xn--80abd1cu)
булбанк (xn--80aba1bco2b)
в (xn--b1a)
вайна (xn--80aae3au)
варвары (xn--80aaeb3ec1f)
видео (xn--b1aedk6a)
видео-порно (xn----ctbgen7afbbhm)
визитеры (xn--b1agfdb3cm8e)
відео (xn--b1aed0b0h)
відео-приколи (xn----ctbgeqanixdim4z)
газа (xn--80aahr)
гдз (xn--c1acj)
геи (xn--c1aej)
гей (xn--c1aem)
гибдд (xn--90adear)
гиг (xn--c1aao)
гид (xn--c1acl)
гол (xn--c1aqi)
дебальцево (xn--80abeffc5b0a3ezc)
деньги (xn--c1abdnx4g)
джанкой (xn--80ahgneri)
дивитеся (xn--b1adekb9cf0i)
дом2 (xn--2-gtbyh)
домино (xn--d1ailfcd)
дорама (xn--80aak7aim)
е (xn--e1a)
европаплюс (xn--80adi0angbeo3k)
егэ (xn--c1ad7e)
есенин (xn--e1aajtbu)
заполярка (xn--80aatnergk8k)
затменья (xn--80akevg1a7eya)
зид (xn--d1afd)
знаменитости (xn--80akegavfdk4ajc)
зрелые (xn--e1aaerx2e)
игра (xn--80afo7a)
играть (xn--80afo7al4d)
игры (xn--c1ajz8b)
ид (xn--d1ah)
изврат (xn--80adod6bn)
изнасилования (xn--80aafseccvpfi7a9o)
интерны (xn--e1afpbok0e)
инфин (xn--h1aaob7a)
ігри (xn--c1akx0g)
казаки (xn--80aaufgd)
калькулятор (xn--80atbdbsooh2gqb)
кино (xn--h1adke)
кинотеатр (xn--80ajihqgqnc)
кинотеатры (xn--80ajihqgqnc5g)
киношки (xn--h1aaebog4e)
кіно (xn--j1agd8g)
клипы (xn--h1addr4d)
клубничка (xn--80abvgcdp0czb)
книги (xn--c1ajbfp)
коломбо (xn--90ardeibc)
кольцово (xn--b1apdlbb7c6b)
лимон (xn--h1afeee)
липецккомбанк (xn--80ablllacbnmhi6g)
лопухи (xn--h1afjeum)
лор (xn--k1agg)
лохслушать (xn--80avalpifn4a6b)
лыткарино (xn--80aqedngln4f)
люксфм (xn--j1abetp1d)
манжонг (xn--80agiwgbg)
месси (xn--e1agkva)
мое (xn--e1ang)
мост (xn--l1aeje)
мт (xn--l1am)
муз (xn--g1ajv)
музика (xn--80andih6b)
музыка (xn--80anjg9azc)
мултфильмы (xn--h1afbbd7afk0ei)
мультфидьмы (xn--d1ahidd7afk0eee)
мультфильм (xn--h1afbbd7afk4ee)
мультфильмы (xn--h1afbbd7afk0eee)
мур (xn--l1aii)
намба (xn--80aac7bd)
нау (xn--80azt)
начало (xn--80aa7afi5c)
никита (xn--80apahn7a)
нова (xn--80ad6ae)
новости (xn--b1amnebsh)
нтв (xn--b1avp)
опрос (xn--n1aaceg)
павлодар (xn--80aafi8asdo)
пазлы (xn--80aomn7d)
паркер (xn--80akosgc)
парнуха (xn--80aa2bggto)
пдд (xn--d1aa5a)
пенсне (xn--e1aaxaho)
перводчик (xn--b1aebokvej0e)
переводчик (xn--b1aebarmzek8e)
переводччик (xn--b1aebarmzek8ea)
перевочик (xn--b1afankwdj0e)
пизды (xn--d1afc1a7d)
пикап (xn--80apgsd)
пикник (xn--h1aafbnj)
подольск (xn--d1amckbds1g)
порн (xn--m1abcf)
порна (xn--80azcdg)
порно (xn--m1abbbg)
порнуха (xn--80azcdgto)
последняясерия (xn--d1abbmlodhpee1oae)
предложение (xn--d1abbadnssggl)
премахни (xn--80ajkogih7b)
прессбол (xn--90ahtlcgia)
приключения (xn--e1afbgfnji0e9cp)
пронт (xn--m1abcem)
просмотр (xn--l1adbbfdek)
прощение (xn--e1aaitdfh7e)
пумб (xn--90aviq)
радио (xn--80aimyg)
режиме (xn--e1aaciuu)
рома-шахтер (xn----7sbbu5alngq3a5a)
ртр-тв (xn----dtb4bajc)
ру (xn--p1ag)
рф (xn--p1ai)
самалётики (xn--80aayajef2bn3m)
сб (xn--90a5a)
сбер (xn--90ai7ab)
сбербанк (xn--80abap1arsf)
северодонецк (xn--b1aebbb4atgbrh3e)
секс (xn--e1aktc)
сексвидео (xn--b1aebcnk6arc)
сексвідео (xn--b1aebcw1apc4q)
семья (xn--e1aon0cp)
сереал-коломбо (xn----7sbena6afcjsbcpm)
сериал (xn--80ajjnwe)
серии (xn--e1aga4ad)
скоро (xn--j1aiahc)
слегн (xn--c1adrkq)
слушать (xn--80avrgd4a4a)
слушать-музыку (xn----7sbwmbi5akhec6c4bj)
смешарики (xn--80ajkaji4ae9d)
смотреть (xn--e1angicic4f)
сом (xn--l1adi)
сонник (xn--h1aehadr)
стб (xn--90a5ad)
степашка (xn--80aanvxkh5c)
стиб (xn--90an0ae)
т (xn--r1a)
табло (xn--80ac4amq)
танки (xn--80aqflx)
тачки (xn--80aqf4a0a)
тв (xn--b1a5a)
тел (xn--e1amt)
телевизор (xn--b1afajepzqk)
телохранитель (xn--80ajblndlgsqh5a2h)
ткб (xn--90arx)
тлт (xn--k1anb)
тнт (xn--m1ajb)
торнадо (xn--80aizddim)
тува (xn--80ad1ce)
убежище (xn--90aiadk6d3b)
ужасы (xn--80al8af7b)
укрпочта (xn--80atmdeoc0b)
ф (xn--t1a)
фермер (xn--e1aaupct)
фиксики (xn--h1aaagb4bs)
филмыю (xn--h1agd3a1bs)
филъми (xn--h1aaie1b0b)
фильм (xn--h1agd3a5b)
фильми (xn--h1aaie1b0c)
фильмй (xn--h1acfe1b0c)
фильмы (xn--h1agd3a1be)
флильм (xn--h1afbe0b1c)
фм (xn--l1ap)
фольмы (xn--k1acex2be)
форсаж (xn--80amwifp)
фотошоп (xn--n1aaaemk5a)
фотошопколлаж (xn--80amkeapaabi4aw9c)
фуд (xn--w0a6a5b)
футбол (xn--90auioef)
хентай (xn--80ajnozp)
ххх (xn--u1aaa)
чертик (xn--e1aggwk1a)
читать (xn--80ap4abv8a)
э (xn--21a)
эмануэль (xn--80awbf4a7cbe)
я (xn--41a)
яндекс (xn--d1acpjx3f)
მფლობელი (xn--modgmfccp8c)

And here is the list for .сайт:

манго-офиц (xn----7sbjvqhib8cva)
es-см (xn--es--medy)
net-офф (xn--net--85d0ba)
ru-оф (xn--ru--ued4a)
ruоф (xn--ru-gmcy)
wow-оф (xn--wow--85d0b)
аыг (xn--80ag5e)
бесплатный (xn--80abmrinlpm5g)
ваш (xn--80ad1e)
вашего (xn--80adeh0c3c)
ващ (xn--80ad4e)
веб (xn--90abj)
внешний (xn--b1agjerb0f)
д (xn--d1a)
дом (xn--d1aqf)
другой (xn--c1abqtis)
ебучий (xn--90ahke2cya)
запретный (xn--80akektkhr6f)
искомый (xn--h1accijq7e)
ихний (xn--h1aado3b)
кабала (xn--80aaac7bj)
класный (xn--80asbelx5e)
кончился (xn--h1adegev3b5d)
левыйсайт (xn--80adirbh9bk0f)
личный (xn--h1acej3cza)
логопед (xn--c1accwpbh)
любой (xn--90aqen2f)
м (xn--l1a)
мегафон (xn--80aff1aif5b)
мобіл (xn--90aubi5j)
мой (xn--i1afg)
на (xn--80az)
навчальний (xn--80aafzfkke1g7b)
нахвам (xn--80aaf5bb3c)
не (xn--e1ap)
недо (xn--d1abxg)
незнаю (xn--80ajgwc7h)
новини (xn--b1amarcd)
одноклассники (xn--80ahnahceodec3ba)
онлайнер (xn--80aklgjdcw)
оф (xn--n1am)
офиц (xn--h1alsj)
официальный (xn--80apafjmc2ct8cj)
офф (xn--n1ama)
пв (xn--b1az)
платный (xn--80asejhu8d)
порна (xn--80azcdg)
порнм (xn--l1abcdg)
порно (xn--m1abbbg)
пример (xn--e1afmkfd)
рамблер (xn--80acmxdwf)
рамблера (xn--80aacq3ae0af)
рамбрель (xn--80acmycwd2h)
росатом (xn--80ayebhhi)
рузов (xn--b1ajvgp)
сайт (xn--80aswg)
секс (xn--e1aktc)
сиена (xn--80ajivr)
смс (xn--l1ajb)
союзспецоснащение (xn--80ajbagj6acdcjvcd7e8b7d)
ссылко (xn--j1abkja4d)
твій (xn--b1aoz5f)
твой (xn--b1aooo)
тёмын (xn--l1acn1b2a)
техносила (xn--80ajjmigve2a)
типа (xn--80apvk)
торент (xn--e1aqbiie)
траляля (xn--80awarj5fb)
турник (xn--h1aehljg)
угу (xn--c1a5ab)
фото (xn--n1aalg)
хамали (xn--80aayld6c)
ходорковский (xn--b1adnecbybbso4b)
христ (xn--h1apeel)
цигнскй (xn--c1ajedoy5a)
этот (xn--n1ahb5b)
ютуб (xn--90a7ad6b)
якитория (xn--h1aaerkk2gg)
яндекс (xn--d1acpjx3f)
მფლობელი (xn--modgmfccp8c)

Of course, we are most interested in the block lists for .ком and the other Verisign/PIR IDN gTLDs, but those haven't been published yet. The block lists for two other IDN gTLDs, شبكة. (Arabic “.web”) and .游戏 (Chinese “.games”) have been published, but I don't have time at the moment to process those.

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I see a storm coming on this.

If ICANN continue to treat Verisigns transliterated gTLDs the same as all the others, then we are going to run into a big problem.

take .ком for example. We already know that there is error traffic on these domains; but the definition of "error", is that just idn.com traffic too?

I would expect the error traffic and block list to be massive for the translit gTLDs.
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True

At least the block is not permanent. Also the only entity that is plausibly "protected" by the block is the .com registrant, so unblocking should be a easy to justify. Moreover with bundling, there is blocking/reservation to the benefit of that entity by default so...
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The block lists for two other IDN gTLDs, شبكة. (Arabic “.web”) and .游戏 (Chinese “.games”) have been published, but I don't have time at the moment to process those.
شبكة

xn----mmcfpbchi4ep4e9fgj7f (الأسماء-ا٢لعربية)
xn----mmcraachi4ep4e9fgj7f (الاسماء-ا٢لعربية)
xn----ymcabc1ajey6qb6e (اخبار-ا٦لخليج)
xn----ymcb4amx8hlf0a (نادى-الٌنصر)
xn----ymcbccdd6dwa8c5fjg1g (ال٤شبكة-العربية)
xn--4gb0a (عنٌّ)
xn--4gbrim (مُوقع)
xn--mgb1dbj (هلالي)
xn--mgb4e (اي)
xn--mgb9a8amo (عاليه)
xn--mgba7c0bcg (العالم)
xn--mgbaa1cxeci4b (الاسلامي)
xn--mgbaa6eybkc (الاقلاع)
xn--mgbaai2czfcj9b (الاسلامية)
xn--mgbbhz3b0g (عربيات)
xn--mgbcd4a2b0d2b (العربية)
xn--mgbcds3im (النخبة)
xn--mgbeiue0iwb (الجزيرة)
xn--mgbex1ej2b (القرية)
xn--mgbpbf2k (ردادي)
xn--modgmfccp8c (მფლობელი)
xn--ogbhx (صحة)
xn--pgb6ccgfo (هوتميل)
xn--rgbn0dr (نسيج)
xn--sgbi2c (حرف)

游戏

xn--2krx4q (安卓)
xn--3oq431j (联众)
xn--9268-u94fv98j (三星9268)
xn--bw2aa (西西)
xn--cer616fk9n (电视剧)
xn--gmq497clijehh (时空猎人)
xn--lnxwqp-245jf02j9dfft0a (易发棋牌lnxwqp)
xn--nerw39h (线割)
xn--rssa0103a6uhzrh (天天诈金花)
xn--wnyy6w (电脑)
xn--wxtr44c (百度)
xn--xws97t (换妻)
xn--yet (小)
xn--yet36gqxao93dqi9b (愤怒的小鸟)
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я (xn--41a)
яндекс (xn--d1acpjx3f)
მფლობელი (xn--modgmfccp8c)

And here is the list for .сайт:

манго-офиц (xn----7sbjvqhib8cva)
es-см (xn--es--medy)
net-офф (xn--net--85d0ba)
ru-оф (xn--ru--ued4a)
ruоф (xn--ru-gmcy)
wow-оф (xn--wow--85d0b)

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They did say that only Cyrillic will be accepted from 4 languages.
I see Latin, Georgian and mixed script.

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They did say that only Cyrillic will be accepted from 4 languages.
I see Latin, Georgian and mixed script.
ok nevermind, i guess its up to the registry to manage that.
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The .ком list is going to be long and distinguished!

ICANN just doesn't understand IDN's at all really, does it?
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The IDN's appearing in the NXdomain statistics are only "errors" in a good sense - they show that people are EXPECTING full IDN's to work and show that when those IDN gTLD's finally exist, they will be in use immediately.
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I wonder if someone who speaks Arabic and understands that ICANN has go this 2LD "risk" thing all back-arsewards for IDN's could get the ear of Mr. Chehade and explain it to him?
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Re: Collision block lists for .онлайн and .сайт

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I wonder if someone who speaks Arabic and understands that ICANN has go this 2LD "risk" thing all back-arsewards for IDN's could get the ear of Mr. Chehade and explain it to him?
But that's the thing, no one is interested in trying to treat IDNs differently, they are being forced into a generic gTLD process not fit for purpose. We know that, we knew that after waiting for a decade for IDN.IDN and then finding out we get lumped in to the NgTLD program.

there was a glimmer of hope when the IDN cctld process launched, but those architects didn't see it through, instead choosing the revolving door to loftier salaries
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there was a glimmer of hope when the IDN cctld process launched, but those architects didn't see it through, instead choosing the revolving door to loftier salaries
I think there was more to this than the actions (or inaction) of a couple of ICANN staffers.

The politics of how this happened are pretty clear.

There were people who had lobbying for more gTLDs (ascii gTLDs) since 2000. There were countries (China and Russia in particular) who wanted IDN TLDs. And there was Verisign, who would have been happy to make money from IDN equivalents of .com and .net.

If ICANN had created a fast track for Verisign's IDNs, the new-gTLD lobby would have howled that ICANN was unfairly favoring Verisign. But ICANN had to do something to satisfy Russia and China, so they came up with the IDN ccTLD fast track. The new gTLD lobby didn't dare oppose something favored by national governments, so the IDN ccTLDs proposal sailed through. In the end, even this didn't satisfy everyone; ask Bulgaria and Greece.

Once the IDN ccTLD fast track was in place, there was no one left to lobby ICANN for .com-in-IDN. Russia and China would just as soon not have any competition to their IDN ccTLDs, and Verisign had decided to keep a low profile (recall that there was an antitrust suit going on).

So we got lumped into the gTLD program. If you want to blame someone, blame the new-gTLD lobby, who are really the ones who forced us to wait in line with .xyz, .shop, and the rest.

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Can someone please point me to a URL that shows the top 10 Russian search terms that include the word "онлайн" in them and likewise for the word "сайт"?
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I think there was more to this than the actions (or inaction) of a couple of ICANN staffers.

The politics of how this happened are pretty clear.

There were people who had lobbying for more gTLDs (ascii gTLDs) since 2000. There were countries (China and Russia in particular) who wanted IDN TLDs. And there was Verisign, who would have been happy to make money from IDN equivalents of .com and .net.

If ICANN had created a fast track for Verisign's IDNs, the new-gTLD lobby would have howled that ICANN was unfairly favoring Verisign. But ICANN had to do something to satisfy Russia and China, so they came up with the IDN ccTLD fast track. The new gTLD lobby didn't dare oppose something favored by national governments, so the IDN ccTLDs proposal sailed through. In the end, even this didn't satisfy everyone; ask Bulgaria and Greece.

Once the IDN ccTLD fast track was in place, there was no one left to lobby ICANN for .com-in-IDN. Russia and China would just as soon not have any competition to their IDN ccTLDs, and Verisign had decided to keep a low profile (recall that there was an antitrust suit going on).

So we got lumped into the gTLD program. If you want to blame someone, blame the new-gTLD lobby, who are really the ones who forced us to wait in line with .xyz, .shop, and the rest.

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Wait in line with .shop .xyz and horrendous crap that keeps coming out:

.coffee
.domains
.gift
.limo
.luxury
.photos
.recipes
.viajes

Being lumped in with the gTLD expansion program was a disaster from the get-get-go. Was always going to delay IDN-com for years.

One good thing has come out of it. People have taken their Tina-tinted specs off now
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Re: Collision block lists for .онлайн and .сайт

They know exactly what they are doing, and it is bad news.

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http://blog.icann.org/2013/10/first-...or-delegation/
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http://dotrus.ru/news/usual/2013/12

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Are you sure? I don't see a contract for them at http://www.icann.org/en/about/agreements/registries.

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Are you sure? I don't see a contract for them at http://www.icann.org/en/about/agreements/registries.

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March 2014 looks to be their plan but they showed their presentation to show everyone they are ready.

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Re: Collision block lists for .онлайн and .сайт

Wrap Up From OTA’s New gTLD Domain Collisions Workshop: Collision Issue Is Like Y2K

http://www.thedomains.com/2013/10/30...hop-collision/
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