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Old 7th February 2014, 06:43 AM
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Q4 2013 Verisign Earnings Conference Call

https://investor.verisign.com/eventd...EventID=138994

It's not much but around minute 50-53, there is some info with respect to the current contract negotiation for VRSN's IDNs. In short, VRSN has started contract negotiation with ICANN, which can take up to 18 months (9+9), Jim seemed to say it their IDNs would take a long time 'till an agreement. Pat confirmed that their plan was still to alias.
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Re: Q4 2013 Verisign Earnings Conference Call

thanks for sharing
as always, they are doing somthing
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Old 7th February 2014, 12:22 PM
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Re: Q4 2013 Verisign Earnings Conference Call

Yep.

Looks like if everything goes smoothly we may be rolling by the end of 2015.
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Re: Q4 2013 Verisign Earnings Conference Call

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Yep.

Looks like if everything goes smoothly we may be rolling by the end of 2015.


if you say so, but i doubt it.

http://domainnamewire.com/2014/02/07...idns/#comments

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I have bad news for those IDN investors patiently waiting for .com transliterations. You’re collateral damage.
Here’s the deal. Verisign has been invited to contracting for 12 of 14 names. Pat Kane, SVP of Naming and Directory Services, said it’s going to take a while to get through the negotiating process.
Part of this is because it’s trying to do something novel by offering domains to the existing .com owner. But it also has to do with name collisions, which is one of the FUD topics Verisign is using to try to slow new TLDs.
Given Verisign’s testy relations with ICANN right now, its efforts to delay new TLDs overall (despite apparently not being worried about them) and its additional asks for the contract, I suspect it’s going to be quite some time before the IDN transliterations see the light of day.

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Re: Q4 2013 Verisign Earnings Conference Call

Lets face it, anything that isn't completely owned by US vested interests always ends up being collateral damage. Fortunately, in their view that is not much. Apparently even the South China sea is more American than Chinese.
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Re: Q4 2013 Verisign Earnings Conference Call

"Part of this is because it’s trying to do something novel by offering domains to the existing .com owner."

At least they're interests are somewhat aligned with ours. They're timeline clearly isn't however.
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Re: Q4 2013 Verisign Earnings Conference Call

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if you say so, but i doubt it.
Why? The end of 2015 is 20 months away.
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Why? The end of 2015 is 20 months away.

well from the smooth rolling perspective, lets say 20 month. All Cyrillic tlds will go live almost 2 years before .com, who knows what kind of type-in traffic will be by the time .kom is in the root. By then Russian market will be flooded with these .rf, .pyc, .online.... we gonna have to play a game of catch up. Till that time nothing is going to sell for real money, and then by that time who knows if it is going to sell at all. We are not competing with other tlds, we are thrown under the bus/sucked into a black hole. I don't know about you but i mostly invested in this market. That's if every goes smooth in 20 month as you say, cause nothing is gonna happen before this.

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Re: Q4 2013 Verisign Earnings Conference Call

after the 1000 new DOTs earthquake, it takes quite a while to calm down.
before the market digests the 1000 new DOTs, no reform news can be done.otherwise, it is more then earthquake.

congratulations, you have very good sense. the idn domain is national language oriented, and the .中国 with a large population of 1.35 billion will soon show its power.
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Re: Q4 2013 Verisign Earnings Conference Call

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well from the smooth rolling perspective, lets say 20 month. All Cyrillic tlds will go live almost 2 years before .com, who knows what kind of type-in traffic will be by the time .kom is in the root. By then Russian market will be flooded with these .rf, .pyc, .online.... we gonna have to play a game of catch up. Till that time nothing is going to sell for real money, and then by that time who knows if it is going to sell at all. We are not competing with other tlds, we are thrown under the bus/sucked into a black hole. I don't know about you but i mostly invested in this market. That's if every goes smooth in 20 month as you say, cause nothing is gonna happen before this.
I think you just misread my statement or perhaps it was lost in translation.

"...IF everything goes smoothly we MAY be rolling by the end of 2015."

In other words, the end of 2015 is optimistic. If history repeats itself we are probably looking at 2017 or 2021. Nowhere did I suggest this was good news.
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Re: Q4 2013 Verisign Earnings Conference Call

end of the line and under the bus in one announcement....
very very disappointing....
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Re: Q4 2013 Verisign Earnings Conference Call

Any news from PIR on .org IDNs?

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Re: Q4 2013 Verisign Earnings Conference Call

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end of the line
I don't think it's over, but these continual delays sure are disappointing.

Maybe the next surprise will be good.
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Re: Q4 2013 Verisign Earnings Conference Call

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https://investor.verisign.com/eventd...EventID=138994
In short, VRSN has started contract negotiation with ICANN, which can take up to 18 months (9+9), Jim seemed to say it their IDNs would take a long time 'till an agreement. Pat confirmed that their plan was still to alias.
Where did you come up with the 9 + 9?

So much for the IDN fast track program.
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Re: Q4 2013 Verisign Earnings Conference Call

It's in the audio.

Standard is 9 months for contract negotiation but if there hasnt been an agreement by then, the registry can require a 9mth extension.

Can't remember the exact wording but it seemed pretty clear that vesn would get the extension.
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But doesn't that rather suggest that the Standard negotiation time is all but up. 18 months maybe, but from when?
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Re: Q4 2013 Verisign Earnings Conference Call

Well dotShabaka, the first new TLD to sign its registry contract, did so on July the 14th.

By comparison, Rusnames (.рус) signed theirs in mid December. Rusnames prioritization number is 56, dotShabaka was 3rd.

As you can see from Drew's list, Verisign apps were between priority 16 and 108.
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Re: Q4 2013 Verisign Earnings Conference Call

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Can't remember the exact wording but it seemed pretty clear that vesn would get the extension.
The interesting bits are on this page of the transcript :

http://seekingalpha.com/article/2002...nscript?page=5


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This is Pat, and I'll talk to the contracting process. And so there's a base contract that was part of the application guide that ICANN put together that everybody starts from. And there were -- some gTLD applicants were invited to contract even though there were still some issues around the name collisions and how they were going to be handled. And basically we've been waiting to see kind of what that name collision process ends up looking like before we go down a road to where we don't really know what the process is to handle them or basically work within the ICANN framework. So we've been -- so we have 9 months -- there's a 9-month process to go through the contracting process and we've been invited to do that. At the end of that 9 months, there's an opportunity to extend that negotiating contract, an additional 9 months, for a total of 18-month window to negotiate. So there's still some things that we will go to the table and ask for within those contracts. And so it could take some time. And the IDNs that we have, because of the proposed process that we put in place, it could take a bit longer because for -- since sort of we are focusing on helping IP and trademarking intellectual property, protect the brands within those IDNs, which are transliterations of .com and .net. It may take a little bit of extra time for us to do -- to get through that.

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