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Is anyone participating in the auction for 深圳.com?
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Re: 深圳.com

I suppose if names like this are now dropping? it's a sad time.

What did it go for?
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why? do you want to know what it sells for?
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why? do you want to know what it sells for?
yes, interested to know the auction result.
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Re: 深圳.com

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Re: 深圳.com

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yes, interested to know the auction result.
Ends Sunday, check back here late afternoon I'll post up ending result.

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Ends Sunday, check back here late afternoon I'll post up ending result.
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Re: 深圳.com

I can't believe this name is dropping... also interested in the closing price.
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Closed at $9,138 USD.

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Re: 深圳.com

Where does this price fall in terms of expectations?
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Where does this price fall in terms of expectations?
I was expecting it to go for $10k- $11k, about the same as 公司.com (not a geo) but a top name that sold for about $ 10.5k or so at snapnames a few years ago.

But I think there was a snafu in the system, I tried to put a higher bid in with 2 minutes to go and it wouldn't take it. I wrote to Snapnames support, will see what they say. Anyone else try to bid towards end and system not take bid? The last bid recorded was about 3 hours before end and then no more new bids, with about 19 registered bidders that seems odd. I saw some familiar names that I expected might take a shot, but surprisingly not a single bid at "end" of auction so maybe others had problems as well.

But IMO seems that most good geos (Japanese .com cities 500k and up) have been around 2k at Snapnames, but those were few and far between and since then I think the market has stayed flat. 深圳.com was is an exceptional Chinese geo with population 7 million, and no surprise it would get a good sale. None of the top 10 Japanese .com cities have sold recently and been publically reported that I remember, and I haven't seen any Chinese .com up for sale either. Interested if anyone else has seen anything, IMO most are just holding their better names and waiting it out. Good news on the idn.idn email from google, that could be a game changer when the .com/.net gtlds finally go live.

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IMO most are just holding their better names and waiting it out.
I'd have to humbly disagree. A lot of quality drops across most languages over the last two years. Many acquired for nominal fees and many not even backordered. Names that would have sold for hundreds or thousands in 08 or 09 are dropped now and hand regged, if that. Only a few of us really have an interest with few notable exceptions. Most have no interest in buying decent, very good or at times even great idns these days here or elsewhere. Many languages people have written off including myself. In fact, I don't even look at Thai drops anywhere after the low sales price and parking revenue of the apparent top name music dot com. Other languages much much worse. How many Korean idns pay for themselves? .0000001%?

Truthfully, I fully understand why most are over it. The wait has been ridiculous. Parking revenue has been horrendous except for some anomalies in the Middle East. Native offers are extremely, extremely rare. Reselling and flipping for profit is practically unheard of and we currently have no guarantees from Verisign.

While I do try my best to be optimistic and continue to invest it is to me almost worse than when I started in 2005.

All that said, 深圳.com is one hell of a domain!!!
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Re: 深圳.com

I thought the closing bid would go north of 15K for such a nice geo .com.
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Re: 深圳.com

i would have guessed 5k maybe 10k if there is a bidding war between 2 highly motivated bidders.

So i think 10k is high in a market like that.

at the moment people are buying on hope of future increases of value. can you believe you can resell this one for 100k in the next year? I doubt it.

may still be a good value play if you believe that IDNs have a future. The opportunity to buy a geo of that size for that price are non existent in ASCII and extremly limited in IDNs.
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I'd have to humbly disagree. A lot of quality drops across most languages over the last two years. Many acquired for nominal fees and many not even backordered. Names that would have sold for hundreds or thousands in 08 or 09 are dropped now and hand regged, if that.
I would still venture that most are holding their better .com names, and many have dropped their .nets.

So wondering if anyone here is dropping their "top" .com names intentionally? (Defined as prime dictionary keywords that would be typical yellow page category headings- ie Autos, Real Estate, Credit Cards, Paint, Remodeling, Jewelry, Pets, etc. and geos......Top City Names in .com)

Wasn't long ago that members put up lists of good quality domains here for sale rather than drop them. Raymond was probably one of the more successful putting up some big lists from time to time, but probably hasn't in the last year or so. The amount names for sales here has dropped significantly IMO, mainly because of low prices, and the true quality drops at Snapnames are not significant in number.

I agree the native 'offers' have slowed but I don't sense the huge drops of IDN names, but then I don't watch the drops that much. Seems our 2006 "flippers" would jump back in the game and grab the drops and flip them for $15 to $50 here. Those were the days.

On total registrations, maybe Mulligan can run the .com and .net total numbers of registrations and we can see the trend over the last year. I think last two years that he reported on idn.com showed totals holding steady, or small growth. Must be some stats on 'dropped names' versus 'new registrations' would shed some light.

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There is risk of geos being blocked/reserved under future new gTLDs, whether this happens remains to be seen. Its an amazing name no doubt but also alot to risk if it ends up on a block list.

Regarding the thai music purchase yes it may seem low to some, and to others they thought it was unexpectedly high, yes offers and parking revenue are very low compared to other languages. The + is that in thai most prefer .com over any other tld and much more than the cctld. This isn't the case in many locations. Japanese idns have some really great parking numbers on the other hand but stiff competition from other extensions especially .co.jp which is heavily used.

Completely agree about it being the same or worse than several years ago. Dont give up people there are actual timelines now to getting these translits approved.. it has been many years coming but we are now weeks or months from knowing how things will finally play out.
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it has been many years coming but we are now weeks or months from knowing how things will finally play out.
Its going to be a few more months at very least IMO, ball is back in ICANNs court for the moment it appears. VeriSign continues to stay the course with their plan which is good news for existing idn.com and idn.net holders.
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I would still venture that most are holding their better .com names, and many have dropped their .nets.

So wondering if anyone here is dropping their "top" .com names intentionally? (Defined as prime dictionary keywords that would be typical yellow page category headings- ie Autos, Real Estate, Credit Cards, Paint, Remodeling, Jewelry, Pets, etc. and geos......Top City Names in .com)
Not trying to be argumentative, but you name the language and I'll cite numerous examples of top names. Names that went cheap cheap by anyone's standard.

Perhaps not as many from people here, but many domains registered in the early 2000s. Trust me, I've probably paid consistent attention to daily drops for longer than any else in the world.

Honestly, although I will still pay 1000s for the right idn opportunity none of this is really exciting me anymore. I used to be thrilled when I'd land a category killer domain almost regardless of the price I'd/we'd pay. Now, many of those category killer domains don't pay for themselves and no one is knocking down the door to buy them either. Many of them have very negative ROI.

I'm far from given up on all this, but for now I feel like my idns are from the land of the misfit domains. Unwanted, broken domains.

Someone else on the forum recently asked me what do you think is going to happen if idn.idn plays out like we have been desperately hoping. What do you think Bill? Do you think traffic will just start pouring in and offers o plenty will begin blowing up your inbox? I'm definitely beginning to doubt it to say the least. At this point 5-10 times growth in revenue over 3-5 years would be more than I expect.
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Regarding the thai music purchase yes it may seem low...
Come on Jason it is low. That is fact. It is a top 10 Thai name that sold for less than many people's vacations. Even worse is that it generates less annual income than the bill of a 6 top on a Friday night in Pittsburgh. And that's without alcohol! ha ha.
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