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Re: Get ready for Verisign's IDN TLD launches with our .COM transfer sale!

Found pricing info here, as nobody else is publishing it yet:
http://www.lexsynergy.com/tlds/xn--tckwe

I signed up for an account and their standard rate for a .com is $28.90. .コム is the same for Priority Access Program. Looks like VRSN is keeping reg fees right at the .com level.

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Limited Registration Period Phase 1- Priority Access Program (1 February 2016 00:00 UTC – 3 April 2016 00:00 UTC)
This phase will allow current .com owners to register the matching string within .コム
Eligibility
Restricted to “Qualifying Priority Access Program Applicant(s).
Qualifying Priority Access Program Applicant(s) are defined as:
* Current registrants of a second-level domain name (in ASCII or IDN script) in the .com top-level domains; and
* Must have registered the domain name prior to the start date of the Priority Access Program Period for the applicable Registry TLD (the "Existing .com Second Level Domain Name"); and
* that have held the registration of the Existing .com Second Level Domain Name for longer than the Add Grace Period (as set forth in Verisign's Registration Lifecycle Processes and Grace Periods).
The relevant applicants have an exclusive right to register the exact match of their existing .com Second Level Domain Name provided that the following is the case:
* The matching Second Level Domain Name is available for registration ; and
* That the matching Second Level Domain Name is registered through the Registrar that is the same registrar of record for the existing .com Second Level Domain Name.
Fees
No Application fee is applicable for this phase.
Registration fee for 1 year = £17
Payment can also be made in USD ($28.90), Euros (€21.25) and South African Rands (R357)
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Re: Get ready for Verisign's IDN TLD launches with our .COM transfer sale!

It also says this below the pricing/phases:

"Certain Domain names have been classified as Premium and will be sold at higher prices. If you wish to apply for a Premium domain name please email support@lexsynergy.com to process your application."
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That could be a very troubling issue...this will need to be addressed by Verisign, to us, well in advance.
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Re: Get ready for Verisign's IDN TLD launches with our .COM transfer sale!

So what is the strategy? I guess we still need more info.

I am planning to halve the number of domains registered on a broad cut based on traffic stats, regardless. Current level of risk is based on better scenario than the utter confusion that ICANN has wrought.

Not sure whether to jump to new extension in a big way or not, much depends on price and reserved list. It is going to be extension by extension. Not ruling out trying to get most of my revenue through the courts.
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Re: Get ready for Verisign's IDN TLD launches with our .COM transfer sale!

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That could be a very troubling issue...this will need to be addressed by Verisign, to us, well in advance.
This biggest problem here is you don't know what is being stolen until it has gone. The level of information provided is appalling. Furthermore this could not only cost Verisign a fortune in legal fees an compensation, but also damage their entire business model.

I guess, however, others with deeper pockets have more at stake in Japan.
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Re: Get ready for Verisign's IDN TLD launches with our .COM transfer sale!

Premium pricing has been a disaster everywhere it's been implemented, and in my opinion has contributed to the continued success of .com, where it has not been used. Verisign has fifteen years of experience with this (.tv), and if they want to destroy their assets then it's going to be a long upward climb for IDNs in any extension.

As for premium priced IDNs the data is out: nobody's registering them. VRSN has the benefit of two years' worth of registration data from other nGTLDs to make their premium pricing decisions. Some of the best Japanese keywords remain unregistered in .みんな, with some of them priced as "low" as $68/yr. DotShabaka has brought this practice to the extreme with its absurd pricing tiers: they clearly don't want anyone to register their names with prices over $10,000/yr.

IMHO, Verisign is smarter than that, and recognizes that for these to succeed they need to be affordable, even in emerging markets, to become ubiquitous. They have a legitimate contender in .xyz, which did not use the premium model and has slashed registration fees, which is the one surefire way to get a TLD up and running.

So, my pitchfork is down (for now).
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Re: Get ready for Verisign's IDN TLD launches with our .COM transfer sale!

Who will decide what is premium name? Google translate, Native speaker?

I think we should all contribute some funds to hire a lawyer that specializes in the domain industry.

Basically informing Verisign that they will face legal action.

Paying for "premium domains" is an acceptable!

Verisign will be making millions from thousands for IDN's .com that would be registered.
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When a TLD operator charges "premium" prices for "premium" domains, they become the investors and speculators, and there is no need for an aftermarket for them.
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Who will decide what is premium name? Google translate, Native speaker?
I think we should all contribute some funds to hire a lawyer that specializes in the domain industry.
Basically informing Verisign that they will face legal action.
Paying for "premium domains" is an acceptable!
Verisign will be making millions from thousands for IDN's .com that would be registered.
I'm in on this...did we not support this experiment for 15 years!
Verisign need to take a long hard look at this idea, before moving forward.
Did we not have a domain lawyer (member) here.
Maybe it's time to ask some additional questions.
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Re: Get ready for Verisign's IDN TLD launches with our .COM transfer sale!

Hey Rubber Duck, Do you know any Domain lawyer?

Do you think we should start some kind of legal action or send a letter to Verisign etc?

Could we setup a poll to see if members here are willing to take action and contribute?

Its all unclear as to the "Premium" charge (and if it will be implemented), but if think its wise to start doing something now and not wait till its done deal.
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Is there a sample liat of premium names from any of
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I am way too busy.

I am also not fighting battles of those sat on super premium Chinese/Japanese.

Depending on what happens, I might get involved later.

In any case. It would be better if it where taken in Tokyo in Japanese.


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Hey Rubber Duck, Do you know any Domain lawyer?

Do you think we should start some kind of legal action or send a letter to Verisign etc?

Could we setup a poll to see if members here are willing to take action and contribute?

Its all unclear as to the "Premium" charge (and if it will be implemented), but if think its wise to start doing something now and not wait till its done deal.
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Probably anwered before but here goes.

If your single character .com are used in a number of different languages would you have priority on all of the .idn?
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Probably anwered before but here goes.

If your single character .com are used in a number of different languages would you have priority on all of the .idn?
I just hope that whoever is handling this understands that it is about Scripts not languages. Lets hope Verisign has more calibre than those fuckheads at Icann.
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When a TLD operator charges "premium" prices for "premium" domains, they become the investors and speculators, and there is no need for an aftermarket for them.
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Well, will Verisign nail it? Or will Japan prove to be one of those markets where an overpriced imitation of the real thing where winners of auctions lose their domains to court ruling or even UDRP.

Can you imagine?. Verisign get sued for the auction price of Sex.Katakana of say $5M dollars by the owner of the dot com and then after scooping an amount they could never hope to achieve themselves, even if they managed to register it, then go on to take the domain in UDRP. There is no mechanism in UDRP for financial compensation, but of course Verisign could then get sued again. It is not clear whether they would actually then have a case against the dot com owner who could very easily end up winning twice over.
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And as a marketing strategy, how well does that actually play out?

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Can you imagine?. Verisign get sued for the auction price of Sex.Katakana of say $5M dollars by the owner of the dot com and then after scooping an amount they could never hope to achieve themselves, even if they managed to register it, then go on to take the domain in UDRP. There is no mechanism in UDRP for financial compensation, but of course Verisign could then get sued again. It is not clear whether they would actually then have a case against the dot com owner who could very easily end up winning twice over.
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Re: Get ready for Verisign's IDN TLD launches with our .COM transfer sale!

Besides, I think the whole thing will get bogged down in injunctions.

I cannot see anything at all happening on February the 1st.

It is even possible that Verisign will have to scrap the whole project and that ICANN get sued out of existence.

Of course Dave_5 has identified a key issue, which is whether there are any lawyers at all that are remotely qualified to take such a case.
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The Japanese launch will set the model for future extensions. Although I don't own any in that extension (own Hebrew), Waiting till Hebrew is next and then face the legal issues might be too late.

IF we intend to take any legal action, it should be now.

Who know... maybe Verisign will surprise us and cancel the "premium" plan.
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