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Old 15th June 2006, 09:09 AM
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Re: Does owning 1000+ domains give you a PhD in Domaining?

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Continuing to spend money on IDN's, not making money on them.

I guess it's all speculation about the future, IE7, foreign languages, special keyboards and such.

Very interesting.

Ok, i think you want to understand the dynamics of the situation, here's some points.


People started on IDNs at various times:

Group A). Those that started in 2003/2004 want to cash out partially to the tune of 100k or more while the heat that they created with the help of IE7's impending launch is on (e.g. Giant, RD, Olney etc). They have waited so long, and they know the pain of waiting.

Group B). Those who started in Nov/Dec (myself, Sal, etc) are selling when the opportunity presents itself - at least enough to pay for next year's reg fee, and maybe to buy some other names that we could not register. We're just leveraging on the heat created by Group A. And unlike Group A, some of the names we sell are our best names (people won't buy poor names), so it's more like switching from one name to another rather than cashing out.

Group C). Those that came in late (Feb/Mar) find it hard to find good free names, so they panick, and are trying to buy from those who registered earlier. Also, some might enjoy the "adrenalin rush" of chopping big names on open forums.


Bottomline:

Everyone here believes that IDNs have potential - but the key is the "waiting time" and "holding power". Not everyone wants to wait 6-8 years for that typical Chinese or Japanese domain to reach $10k or $20k value, so if it's possible to cash out right now, why not? And for every seller here who has invested in IDNs before 2004, there is another maybe a few more that are keeping quiet and sitting tight on their investment.


Advice for newbies:

Buy selectively and at the price you think is fair value. Try not to give yourself a timeline like "I just got 20k, i need to spend it in 3 days, give me your best domains!" I myself made that mistake earlier with ASCII names, luckily i sold more than i bought, but still stuck with some.

And if you are looking for a quick gain, forget it, this is a medium to long term investment, unless you have a time machine and can get yourself into Group A.

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Re: Does owning 1000+ domains give you a PhD in Domaining?

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My reaction is to ask how many IDN sales you have made? End users?

If you don't want to give specific names or numbers, then I really have nothing else to say.
Clearly, you either didn't understand my previous post, or don't want to.

Either way, I can see I'm wasting my time.

Reminds me of a joke.

Q. What do an Australian and a computer have in common?

A. You have to punch information into both of them.

Q. What's the difference between an Australian and a computer?

A. A computer doesn't forget.
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Re: Does owning 1000+ domains give you a PhD in Domaining?

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I understand that you feel you've assembled a nice portfolio of IDN's. Can I ask how many IDN sales you have made? How much profit has that nice IDN portfolio made you?
Most people are holding their idns, as the values are going to really take off as they come into mainstream use with the release of IE7. Why sell now, when you pretty much know they are going to be worth quite a bit more in the foreseeable future. As advertising appears with native script urls, people will begin to utilize native scripts instead of English urls.

In reverse, if the Chinese had invented the internet, you would be looking everything up with a Chinese translator. URLs would be in Chinese, not English. How inconvenient! Not to mention aggravating. And if someone offered to change the "Chinese" to English urls do you think the English speaking population would prefer that? Of course. Thats how simple all this idn stuff really is.

85% of the world does not speak English, idns are for this market. Advertising agencies worldwide are going to have a field day with these campaigns. All of the pieces for this system are in place, and the final requirement is IE7 to be mainstream.

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Re: Does owning 1000+ domains give you a PhD in Domaining?

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Ok, i think you want to understand the dynamics of the situation, here's some points.

People started on IDNs at various times:
What group am I in? I started in November 2000.
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Re: Does owning 1000+ domains give you a PhD in Domaining?

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What group am I in? I started in November 2000.
that would be either "Group D: lucky" or "Group E: Show-off"

and you can put me in "Group F: Jealous"
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Re: Does owning 1000+ domains give you a PhD in Domaining?

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What group am I in? I started in November 2000.

I've not thought about that, maybe Group "Pay your bills on time."
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that would be either "Group D: lucky" or "Group E: Show-off"

and you can put me in "Group F: Jealous"
A LOT of the best names were picked up in drops, in 2003-2005, when I wasn't even looking! All of my names were registered in 2000, 2001 and early 2006.
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Re: Does owning 1000+ domains give you a PhD in Domaining?

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A LOT of the best names were picked up in drops, in 2003-2005, when I wasn't even looking! All of my names were registered in 2000, 2001 and early 2006.
I think I would agree that somewhere around 2003-04, there were more opportunities than with the original test bad.
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Re: Does owning 1000+ domains give you a PhD in Domaining?

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A LOT of the best names were picked up in drops, in 2003-2005, when I wasn't even looking! All of my names were registered in 2000, 2001 and early 2006.
<-waiting for idnowner to auction off one of them ;P
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What group am I in? I started in November 2000.
I was going to suggest this group to touch too.

Starting from 2000, this is absolute the luckiest group. I am lucky that I got few domains from someone in this group, but I know that these guys have been rejecting offers at the $xx,xxx range all the time. I have only seen one person in this group (Javago) is selling few domains (the auction of Chinese Taipei.com went up to $15,000+ but did not meet the reserve).
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<-waiting for idnowner to auction off one of them ;P
I don't think that this is going to happen. One domain that idnowner owns has Jp-OVT with ext 5000, a top financial domain. He is not even letting it go for a half million now.
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Re: Does owning 1000+ domains give you a PhD in Domaining?

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I don't think that this is going to happen. One domain that idnowner owns has Jp-OVT with ext 5000, a top financial domain. He is not even letting it go for a half million now.

But if it's the name of an existing website, if he is offered half a million, he might consider quickly cash out. Unlike ASCII domains, JP OVT with ext do not appear out of thin air - no matter how popular the term.
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Re: Does owning 1000+ domains give you a PhD in Domaining?

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But if it's the name of an existing website, if he is offered half a million, he might consider quickly cash out before he loses it without compensation. Unlike ASCII domains, JP OVT with ext do not appear out of thin air - no matter how popular the term.
If it's a generic word, he has nothing to worry about, right?
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Not an existing website name, not at all. A generic domain indeed.

idnowner, is it ok to announce that domain?
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Not existing website name, not at all. A generic domain indeed.

Idnower, is it ok to announce that domain?

Okay with me... I don't think it's a secret. I think I know the one you're talking about, but I haven's check all of 'em.
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Re: Does owning 1000+ domains give you a PhD in Domaining?

The domain is 株.com. Current ovt with ext is 3915, the lowest in four months time (last month 4800+).
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Re: Does owning 1000+ domains give you a PhD in Domaining?

A couple of the best French IDN dropped in April 2006 and were picked up by Drewbert and Touchring. Don't forget those!

Overture with extension are over 10,000 for each.

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Re: Does owning 1000+ domains give you a PhD in Domaining?

I am sure Drewbert and Touchring's domains are priceless too.
PS: 株 has 76 ovt ads ranging from Y35 to Y377. As Edwin mentioned in another thread, such domains may never be for sale.
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