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German IDN domain, Holzhäuser.biz sold at €1,500 = $1,768

From DN Journal, Nov. 2005. Quote: .Biz also claimed the #3 slot with a German IDN domain, Holzhäuser.biz at €1,500 ($1,768). Holzhäuser translates to "wood houses" in English. Found this posting and thought it might be of interest.


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Hello,

I own the non-IDN-Version of holzhäuser.biz --> holzhaeuser.biz.

I am convinced that the IDN has more value than the Non-IDN.
A guy in a german forum "consultdomain.de" sold holzhäuser.biz and blockhäuser.biz. When he ask the new owner of holzhäuser.biz to buy also the non-IDN of Blockhäuser, they are not interested.

Reasons: (my opnion)
- for germans holzhäuser looks much better
-much more searches for Holzhäuser than Holzhaeuser
-shorter and faster to write

But I think in general their are different opions about the quality of IDN/ non-IDN in
germany.

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Hello,

I own the non-IDN-Version of holzhäuser.biz --> holzhaeuser.biz.

I am convinced that the IDN has more value than the Non-IDN.
A guy in a german forum "consultdomain.de" sold holzhäuser.biz and blockhäuser.biz. When he ask the new owner of holzhäuser.biz to buy also the non-IDN of Blockhäuser, they are not interested.

Reasons: (my opnion)
- for germans holzhäuser looks much better
-much more searches for Holzhäuser than Holzhaeuser
-shorter and faster to write

But I think in general their are different opions about the quality of IDN/ non-IDN in
germany.

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Thanks -- that's really good information. It's nice hearing that from somebody with a finger at the pulse of the german market.

This is yet another data point in favor of IDN.
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i find that in some latin languages like spanish, french, italian or portuguese - which i also understand ; ) - is way too much complicated and slow to search/write the grammatically correct word. but well the whole IDN idea is also that in a few years people will come back to the idea to search words but grammatically correct.
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is way too much complicated and slow to search/write the grammatically correct word. but well the whole IDN idea is also that in a few years people will come back to the idea to search words but grammatically correct.
In german language its not complicated to write ä,ü,ö. It is simply as to write a, u, o.


ä,ü,ö are faster to write than ae, ue, oe- and it causes less mistakes in writing!

For example: Wärmedämmung/ Waermedaemmung- first looks sexier to me and is easier to write.

When the new Internet-explorer support IDN, I think it will cause a rush on IDN in Germany- but that could also takes some years.

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In german language its not complicated to write ä,ü,ö. It is simply as to write a, u, o.


ä,ü,ö are faster to write than ae, ue, oe- and it causes less mistakes in writing!

For example: Wärmedämmung/ Waermedaemmung- first looks sexier to me and is easier to write.

When the new Internet-explorer support IDN, I think it will cause a rush on IDN in Germany- but that could also takes some years.

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Why do you think it will take years?
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When the new Internet-explorer support IDN, I think it will cause a rush on IDN in Germany- but that could also takes some years.

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We are already in that rush, which is why we see these domains selling for $20,000 dollars!
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@jackal,

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Why do you think it will take years?
Because I don´t know how long it takes until the users prefer IDN.
I have often noticed that also domainers in the german domainforums seems to be a little sceptical about IDN- but it changes.

You often hear: (Example)"You got the holzhäuser.biz but it would be much better to have the holzhaeuser.biz too, if you want to sell for a good price." That I mean with sceptical to the worth of IDN.
The ideal is to have both versions of a domain- IDN and non-IDN. But its often not possible. When you build an project on only one version its probable to loose some traffic to the other version- and this is something that slow down the developement.

If you want to sell a B-quality IDN-domain and the non-IDN is allready taken its maybe difficult to find someone to sell.

@sarcle,

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We are already in that rush, which is why we see these domains selling for $20,000 dollars!
Really? My interest in IDN is very fresh- perhaps I need some Information.

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Sure no problem

Taken from dnjournal.com

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übersetzer.de ("translator" in German) at €19,500 ($23,672). That sale will surely cheer the small but growing cadre of IDN fans who believe the spread of non-English alphabets to domain names is presenting a golden opportunity for investors.
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If Europe is interesting. Asia is electric.

I am literally getting torn to pieces with investors trying to buy domains right now.

On the other hand I got a co-pilot tugging at the hand brake with both arms!

Believe me, if you got something on your list in Chinese or Japanese that is vaguely commercial Generic, get it regged before its too late!

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sarcle and Dwrixon,

thanks for these informations.

Did you sold
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domains? Or do you recommend me a website where I can have a look on some
asian IDN-sales.

Thanks a lot.

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@jackal,

Because I don´t know how long it takes until the users prefer IDN.
I have often noticed that also domainers in the german domainforums seems to be a little sceptical about IDN- but it changes.

You often hear: (Example)"You got the holzhäuser.biz but it would be much better to have the holzhaeuser.biz too, if you want to sell for a good price." That I mean with sceptical to the worth of IDN.
The ideal is to have both versions of a domain- IDN and non-IDN. But its often not possible. When you build an project on only one version its probable to loose some traffic to the other version- and this is something that slow down the developement.

If you want to sell a B-quality IDN-domain and the non-IDN is allready taken its maybe difficult to find someone to sell.


Best regards Pro
Thank you. Interesting input.
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sarcle and Dwrixon,

thanks for these informations.

Did you sold domains? Or do you recommend me a website where I can have a look on some
asian IDN-sales.

Thanks a lot.

Best regards Pro
No, I am selling domains largely to newcomers to this forum. My IDN sales this month have substantially topped anything I have sold previously IDN or otherwise.

The hardest thing at the moment is disciplining oneself to say No!

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No, I am selling domains largely to newcomers to this forum. My IDN sales this month have substantially topped anything I have sold previously IDN or otherwise.

The hardest thing at the moment is disciplining oneself to say No!

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I too, have to talk myself out of several sales, or I will be completly idn-less.
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I too, have to talk myself out of several sales, or I will be completly idn-less.
Yes, it is a bit of job to get ones head around it. If I were to sell my entire portfolio in the current market, I would probably be a multi-millionaire. For someone who after the divorce was left with little more than a portfolio of two word combo dot nets that is quite a turn around!

If I hold for a while they are going to be worth 10 to 100 times currently value. Its all a bit demotivating when I am supposed to be churning out Structural Reports.

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I never thought about register asian-IDN before I entered this forum today.

But it sounds very well. This forum seems to be the right place to inform about this subject. Thank you for interesting input.

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I never thought about register asian-IDN before I entered this forum today.

But it sounds very well. This forum seems to be the right place to inform about this subject. Thank you for interesting input.

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I just found this forum today and I established various ideas as far as idn domains are concerned.

Feel free to offer me all your german and hebrew IDN domains.

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Re: German IDN domain, Holzhäuser.biz sold at €1,500 = $1,768

Hi I have a question for you. Are single-letter IDN domain names of interest to investors as they obviously would be in non-IDN names? or are there too many japanese/chinese/korean/etc. letters so that they are not valuable unless they have a specific meaning?

thanks.
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Oh, and where do you find all these investors??
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Hi I have a question for you. Are single-letter IDN domain names of interest to investors as they obviously would be in non-IDN names? or are there too many japanese/chinese/korean/etc. letters so that they are not valuable unless they have a specific meaning?

thanks.
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Oh, and where do you find all these investors??
Yes, they are of interest, but when it comes down to value it is all down to scarcity and usage.

I went through the Chinese Characters in the early days looking for ones with High Google. We own most of the Arabic, Davengari and Hindi, Alphabets and the first character in quite a few others. We also have the odd Russian Cyrillic. I would say that in order of value, you are talking Arabic, Cyrillics, Hirigana, Hangul and then in general Hanzi or Kanji. The later though can be words in their own right and some are extremely valuable in my opinion. Note though that with Kanji and Hanzi, single character does not forcibly imply single keystroke!
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Re: German IDN domain, Holzhäuser.biz sold at €1,500 = $1,768

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If Europe is interesting. Asia is electric.

I am literally getting torn to pieces with investors trying to buy domains right now.

On the other hand I got a co-pilot tugging at the hand brake with both arms!

Believe me, if you got something on your list in Chinese or Japanese that is vaguely commercial Generic, get it regged before its too late!

Dave
Just for inspirtation and motivational purposes can you share the Ball Park they are talking, this means im going to loose even more sleep... gosh D@#$..lol
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