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Old 21st June 2006, 03:01 PM
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Re: IDN domains with no dots (extensions)

Probably because they want to reach the local market with that. China also offers an IDN keyword: http://i-dns.net/
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Re: IDN domains with no dots (extensions)

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Probably because they want to reach the local market with that. China also offers an IDN keyword: http://i-dns.net/
Well, people always buy in for the same reason. Some Snake Oil Salesman has pitched and closed the deal. Doesn't mean that what they have bought into is worth a handful of beans.
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Re: IDN domains with no dots (extensions)

Wait till they find out that they can own the .com equivalent of the keywords they have purchased/are leasing...
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Re: IDN domains with no dots (extensions)

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There have been dozens of organizations over the years trying to hijack traffic for both local and global domains, either via keyword systems or "alternative domain roots". A couple of examples are RealNames and New.net. All they have succeeded in doing is taking lots of money from people and confusing them.

--------Nipa obviously succeeded in confusing you by making you think Shell had bought a keyword from them

Thanks for your take and logic on this DomainGuru. Greatly appreciate your help. Actually according to Nipa's site, Shell actually bought the keyword from them along with a number of other major corporations in Thailand such as Thai Farmers Bank, Bank of Ayudhya. I have enclosed the list in Thai from their website as per below. I am surprised why these companies would register Thai names with them if they don't resolve universally.


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Well of course they don't resolve universally ! Do they resolve for you in Canada? No, because your ISP hasn't installed the software. The only reason you got to the shell website was because of Firefox's agreement to send traffic to Google.

Do they resolve for me in Thailand? No, because I also use Firefox, and hence get sent to Google's #1 result .....

So this idea of "universality" is obviously a non-starter. If companies want to get some extra traffic that's fine, nipa are just hijacking "non-qualified" browser entries after all, but it really has nothing to do with domain names whatsoever. Domain names are about establishing long-term home on the web. Nipa is just about getting some short term advertising bucks. Call them what you want, but don't call them "domain names", because they aren't.

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I just tried typing a few thai names using Firefox and was taken to different Thai sites that have been registered through them.
I am not digging at you, just demonstrating how these sorts of propietary systems confuse users. What happened to you wasn't what you thought happened to you. You weren't accessing Nipa at all.

So let's say for instance, you told a Thai friend in another city in Canada about the system, and they happened to use IE6 not Firefox, they wouldn't have got any results, and probably thought you were barking

Or you had told a friend in Thailand that wasn't on the "ISP compatibility list" - same thing.

Once IE7 happens, and individual / companies see how to establish a permanent home on the web in their native language, the "need" for local-language keyword systems will disappear, though obviously nipa will try and milk it for as long as they can.

If you haven't seen keyword systems come and go in the past, then just watch the future ...

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Re: IDN domains with no dots (extensions)

No one could have explained this better than Domainguru!

This type of service is called redirecting service. The company that is most successful in offering this type of service is 3721.com in China, a lot of large and small business in China use their service because people want to type in Chinese names to navigate. But they are going downhill now. People are waiting for IE7 -- Game Over for this type of services.
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[QUOTE=domainguru]
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Originally Posted by TrafficDomainer

Well of course they don't resolve universally ! Do they resolve for you in Canada? No, because your ISP hasn't installed the software. The only reason you got to the shell website was because of Firefox's agreement to send traffic to Google.

Do they resolve for me in Thailand? No, because I also use Firefox, and hence get sent to Google's #1 result .....

So this idea of "universality" is obviously a non-starter. If companies want to get some extra traffic that's fine, nipa are just hijacking "non-qualified" browser entries after all, but it really has nothing to do with domain names whatsoever. Domain names are about establishing long-term home on the web. Nipa is just about getting some short term advertising bucks. Call them what you want, but don't call them "domain names", because they aren't.

Don't forget how this thread started:



I am not digging at you, just demonstrating how these sorts of propietary systems confuse users. What happened to you wasn't what you thought happened to you. You weren't accessing Nipa at all.

So let's say for instance, you told a Thai friend in another city in Canada about the system, and they happened to use IE6 not Firefox, they wouldn't have got any results, and probably thought you were barking

Or you had told a friend in Thailand that wasn't on the "ISP compatibility list" - same thing.

Once IE7 happens, and individual / companies see how to establish a permanent home on the web in their native language, the "need" for local-language keyword systems will disappear, though obviously nipa will try and milk it for as long as they can.

If you haven't seen keyword systems come and go in the past, then just watch the future ...

Thanks for enlightning me on this. Looking at it, it appears Nipa is misrepresenting to major Corporations in Thailand and they apparently are buying into this hijacking scam as they like me probably thought that the Thai keywords resolve universally and they are actually colluding with major ISPs in Thailand. Nipa must have tried their best to optimize their client sites so that their sites appear as #1 on google search for each corresponding keyword in Thai and their clients got the impression that this system actually resolves universally when Firefox takes them to the first result for each corrsponding Thai keyword. Thanks again Domain Guru!

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