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Will the internet die in September?

By Kieren McCarthy
Published Thursday 22nd June 2006 13:33 GMT

ICANN Marrakech There will be much to discuss at ICANN's Marrakech meeting which kicks off this Saturday, but one question rises about all others: what will happen to the internet on 30 September 2006?
ICANN has its own agenda to discuss, but that agenda and what people actually want to discuss are a little different. As is the fundamental issue that everyone at that meeting should be talking about. This is our account of what is likely to happen, why, and what it all means.

First off, here are the specific items on the ICANN check list:

Internationalised Domain Names (IDNs)
Otherwise known as the rest of the world being allowed the internet in their own language. This is one of the most fundamental areas for the future of the net, and one ICANN has failed to date. But, give it its due, the whole WSIS (World Summit on International Society) process had seen ICANN get its act together and it has been running IDN workshops every meeting for the past four meetings. Plus, in Vancouver, ICANN CEO Paul Twomey announced a Presidential Committee for IDNs. I just hope this time something real and tangible comes out of it. If it's just another three hour discussion about how "we can't get it to work", and "it's more complicated that you think", we might as well just split up the internet right now.

Countries signing up to ICANN
This is a big deal for ICANN: ccTLDs (country-code top-level domains) saying, okay then, we acknowledge that ICANN is in a position of authority. Following the German agreement - which has been very carefully worded not to have any legal tie-ins - other countries have also run to sign up: Latvia (or possibly Lithunania), Christmas Island, Norfolk Island and - amazingly - Namibia. Is Eberhard Lisse still in charge of .na? This gives ICANN a certain level of legitimacy that it has been sorely lacking. The real turning point will be when/if the UK's Nominet signs up.

Enhanced co-operation
This is a big issue, and a lot of time will be devoted to governments reaching agreement over how they are going to have a bigger say in how ICANN functions. It is absolutely vital that ICANN is able to announce a plan before its Memorandum of Understanding with the US government is renewed in September - it will be its only real defence when the Bush administration insists on retaining control. What is very, very annoying is that all of this will, as ever, be done behind closed doors.

Whois
ICANN doesn't really want to get involved with this because it means trouble: how much information on domain name holders should be freely and publicly available? ICANN doesn't really have any choice but to discuss it: the GNSO voted in a fundamental change after two years of work and that has to be acknowledged. The player to watch here will be the US government. If it is crazy enough to try to insist on keeping the status quo (where your home address and telephone number are available to anyone in the entire world), against the GNSO's own stated position, all hell will break loose. Of course, the US won't actually do that, it will instead try to muddy the issue, point to all the differences, and then say we need more discussion. But there is very little goodwill towards the US government at the moment following the .xxx debacle, so if it has any sense it will let it go. Here's betting it won't.

DNSSEC
Otherwise known as "are we still discussing this?" Another example of how ICANN's processes clearly aren't efficient enough. This more secure and stable method of underpinning the internet should have been done and dusted two years ago.

Domain Names
The one good example of ICANN thinking straight. There are a whole range of new issues over domain names and ICANN is precisely the forum where they should be being discussed. There is a workshop, run by Jothan Frakes, and everyone of importance is slated to talk. If only ICANN meetings had more of these events. Frakes has talked a little about it on ICANNWatch.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/06...akesh_preview/
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Re: Will the internet die in September?

Will or will not? That's not the question (we should ask).

A lot of large corporations have invested billions in business, and their business rely on internet to function. Let them worry and take care of this question.

We should always have faith that people will make right decisions.
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>We should always have faith that people will make right decisions.

Tell that to Enron shareholders/employees or people of California.

The right decisions for people running a business or a country are usually not the right ones for joe public.
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Re: Will the internet die in September?

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The right decisions for people running a business or a country are usually not the right ones for joe public.
I agree, but we are talking about 'business' here.
Internet=business, simple as that, and business
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>We should always have faith that people will make right decisions.

Tell that to Enron shareholders/employees or people of California.

The right decisions for people running a business or a country are usually not the right ones for joe public.
Drewbert is right on this.

When ICANN CEO Paul Twomey announces something like this. It is cause for a little concern.

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I just hope this time something real and tangible comes out of it. If it's just another three hour discussion about how "we can't get it to work", and "it's more complicated that you think", we might as well just split up the internet right now.
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Re: Will the internet die in September?

Good find this is the author's blog
I actually posted a comment there before Sarcle put this up...

http://kierenmccarthy.co.uk/2006/06/...akech-preview/
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Well, Business is never the key decision maker, politics is. IBM wanted to do business with Hitler but the war stopped them.
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When ICANN CEO Paul Twomey announces something like this. It is cause for a little concern.
Seems that all of the "parts and pieces" are in place for idns to take start moving into the mainstream by popular demand once IE7 comes mainstream and international speakers begin to search in native language.

For those with Firefox, IE7 beta etc. downloaded can access the hundreds or thousands of idn sites already operational or do search in native language. With millions of idns registered and a system to handle them, it seems the IDN genie is out of the bottle in a substantial way here.
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Seems that all of the "parts and pieces" are in place for idns to take start moving into the mainstream by popular demand once IE7 comes mainstream and all of the international users begin to search in native language.

For those with Firefox, IE7 beta etc. downloaded can access the hundreds or thousands of idn sites already operational or do search in native language. With millions of idns registered and a system to handle them, it seems the IDN genie is out of the bottle in a substantial way here.
I do agree and I do follow. I'm just the messinger but what could Paul mean by that statement?

China was the first to announce they were going to shake things up by breaking up the internet but then quieted down after a little talk with Icann. Now Icann is saying this. I really don't trust what's going on behind those curtains.

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Well, Business is never the key decision maker, politics is. IBM wanted to do business with Hitler but the war stopped them.
Yes it's the Chinese/Icann politics that has me concerned.
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Hi All,

A little off subject but also related:

1.Where do you see the .com and .net (which is all that is now available for most languages) when they will implement idn.cctld i.e computer.com.ua (ukraine) or computer.be (belgium) - Also, when do you think they will work on these cctld idn's?
2.Any news/updates concerning implementation of dname or ns record?

Thanks!

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Hi All,

A little off subject but also related:

1.Where do you see the .com and .net (which is all that is now available for most languages) when they will implement idn.cctld i.e computer.com.ua (ukraine) or computer.be (belgium) - Also, when do you think they will work on these cctld idn's?
2.Any news/updates concerning implementation of dname or ns record?

Thanks!

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I do agree and I do follow. I'm just the messinger but what could Paul mean by that statement?

China was the first to announce they were going to shake things up by breaking up the internet but then quieted down after a little talk with Icann. Now Icann is saying this. I really don't trust what's going on behind those curtains.



Yes it's the Chinese/Icann politics that has me concerned.

Definitely, not long ago, some of us here actually believed that all chinese.com are being redirected to chinese.cn!! :o

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Yes it's the Chinese/Icann politics that has me concerned.
It's win win win situation now. If IDN takes off, China will be happy, ICANN, VeriSign, Registrars will all make money. IDN users will be busy regging, and we will be laughing.... Where's the problem?

But yes, still politics, US government may not be happy!
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Definitely, not long ago, some of us here actually believed that all chinese.com are being redirected to chinese.cn!!
Lol. I do remember that Touchring.

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It's win win win situation now. If IDN takes off, China will be happy, ICANN, VeriSign, Registrars will all make money. IDN users will be busy regging, and we will be laughing.... Where's the problem?

But yes, still politics, US government may not be happy!
Yes, China has proven it works with the .cn. But why now. At this moment is Paul changing his tune and making this statement is the fundemental question.
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Yes it's the Chinese/Icann politics that has me concerned.
It would make NO economic business sense for the Chinese not to participate in the existing internet. If they shut their ecommerce doors on the world they would only majorly screw themselves and their ambitious economic growth plans.

They are courting international business at a pace never seen before. No doubt they would like control on the total content of the internet, and maybe would like to have a "second" internet for the people, but will never break off their lifeline for business. Even some US manufacturer catalogs shoot you to a Chinese website these days, particularly in the novelties and gift business.
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It would make NO economic business sense for the Chinese not to participate in the existing internet. If they shut their ecommerce doors on the world they would only majorly screw themselves and their ambitious economic growth plans.

They are courting international business at a pace never seen before. No doubt they would like control on the total content of the internet, and maybe would like to have a "second" internet for the people, but will never break off their lifeline for business. Even some US manufacturer catalogs shoot you to a Chinese website these days, particularly in the novelties and gift business.

This Chinese scare is still related to evil image of communist or socialist countries. But history has shown that fascist is more dangerous than communist...
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Well, Business is never the key decision maker, politics is. IBM wanted to do business with Hitler but the war stopped them.
What?!.. Of course, IBM did business with Hitler.
In WWII, IBM provided it's 'punchcard' systems,
and related equipment, to the SS, and there is
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It would make NO economic business sense for the Chinese not to participate in the existing internet. If they shut their ecommerce doors on the world they would only majorly screw themselves and their ambitious economic growth plans.

They are courting international business at a pace never seen before. No doubt they would like control on the total content of the internet, and maybe would like to have a "second" internet for the people, but will never break off their lifeline for business. Even some US manufacturer catalogs shoot you to a Chinese website these days, particularly in the novelties and gift business.
Again I agree with this. It is sound and logical. But again why would Paul make a statement like this?
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It would make NO economic business sense for the Chinese not to participate in the existing internet. If they shut their ecommerce doors on the world they would only majorly screw themselves and their ambitious economic growth plans.

They are courting international business at a pace never seen before. No doubt they would like control on the total content of the internet, and maybe would like to have a "second" internet for the people, but will never break off their lifeline for business. Even some US manufacturer catalogs shoot you to a Chinese website these days, particularly in the novelties and gift business.
As far as IDN is concern, China is never a problem. China wanted IDN to be implemented long time ago.
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Re: Will the internet die in September?

These people are worried that China will block out idn.com, or redirect idn.com or idn.cn as many believed so much earlier, thus rendering chinese idn.com worthless.

The possibility is there, but less than 1% chance of happening. Even if Taiwan or North Korean war breaks out, the likelihood of it happening is still less than half. Yes, they will block selected websites with undesired contents, but a wholesale block is quite unlikely.

But if they really block it, it will be buying opportunity, no blockade lasts forever, just like America ended it's Libya blockade.

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