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ICANN Meeting Marrakech

http://www.icann.org/meetings/marrakech/

Sunday, 25 June 2006

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Workshop on IDN * (15:00-18:00) (Salle des Ministres)

What it is: Internationalized Domain Names (IDNs) are a key part of making all the resources of the Internet available to users worldwide in their local scripts.
Why it's important: This session focuses on a review of IDN policy issues that are critical to further progress on IDN implementation and will discuss suggestions for how to assign country code strings.
Who Should Attend: Government representatives, gTLD and ccTLD managers, application developers, any Internet users with an interest in the policy background to IDN issues.
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Re: ICANN Meeting Marrakech

What we need is to have an organized representation of IDN investors attend some of these meetings and have our point of view heard.
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Re: ICANN Meeting Marrakech

This is something interesting on June 27:

Workshops:

What it is: A continuation of Sunday's session, with the latest on IDN initiatives.

Why it's important: The workshop concludes with coverage of IDN technical issues including the plan for testing of live IDN TLDs, and an update on IDN activities taking place in Africa and the Middle East.
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Re: ICANN Meeting Marrakech

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What we need is to have an organized representation of IDN investors attend some of these meetings and have our point of view heard.

Oh no, that's the last thing we need to do. It will result in the anti-idn cybersquatter measures to be discussed at the next meeting. :o
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Re: ICANN Meeting Marrakech

To bad their webcast didn't do jack crap.
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To bad their webcast didn't do jack crap.
A download is available here:

http://www.domainingblog.com/2006/06...s-on-live.html
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Re: ICANN Meeting Marrakech

ICANN IDN Discussion Captioning available here:
http://www.icann.org/meetings/marrak...dn-25jun06.htm

A couple of quotes from the above link



THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU WHO ARE OBVIOUSLY KEEN TO SEE IDNS IMPLEMENTED INTO THE ROOT. I THANK YOU FOR TWO REASONS. ONE, OBVIOUSLY THERE IS A NEED FROM WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM BUT ALSO THERE IS A CERTAIN DEGREE OF PATIENCE WHICH YOU ARE SHOWING WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT AS WE WORK THROUGH CAREFULLY TO ENSURE THAT THIS ACTIVITY IS DONE IN A WAY WHICH IS TECHNICALLY RESPONSIBLE, AND ALSO DONE IN A WAY WHICH ACTUALLY WORKS IN A POLICY SENSE.



I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THREE ISSUES WHICH HAVE THREE DIFFERENT PROBLEMS THAT ALREADY AROSE WITHIN THE IDN AT THE ROOT LEVEL.
THIS IS -- THE PRESENTATIONS AT THE PREVIOUS SESSION WERE ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES AS WELL AND WERE PREPARING -- THE DISCUSSION WAS HOW TO AVOID THE PROBLEMS AND HOW TO IMPLEMENT IDNS AT THE ROOT LEVEL.
I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT ALREADY HAPPENED.
SO SOME IDN IMPLEMENTATIONS AT THE ROOT LEVEL, ACTUALLY, NOT ROOT LEVEL, BUT THE IMPLEMENTATIONS WHICH IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES, LIKE BY SOME ISPS ALLOW USERS TO HAVE ACCESS TO SO-CALLED IDNS AT THE ROOT LEVEL.
BUT THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT SOLUTION, AND AS I UNDERSTAND, ICANN IS WORKING ON THE IMPLEMENTATION OF IDNS AT THE ROOT LEVEL.
THE FIRST ISSUE IS, WE HAVE SOME EXISTING CCTLDS THAT ALREADY OFFER IDN.IDN REGISTRATION.
WE HAVE SOME COMPANIES THAT THEY OFFER POSSIBILITY TO REGISTER DOMAIN NAMES IN -- UNDER -- LOOKING LIKE CCTLDS.
BUT THIS IS NOT THE REGISTRY, THE OFFICIAL REGISTRY, WHICH RUNS THE CCTLD.
AND THE THIRD POSSIBILITY ARE LOCAL GTLD IMPLEMENTATIONS.
OKAY.
THE FIRST SITUATION WE HAVE WHEN THE EXISTING CCTLD IS OFFERING TO THE CUSTOMERS POSSIBILITY OF REGISTRATION OF THEIR DOMAIN NAME UNDER SO-CALLED GLOBAL IDN TLD.
BUT THIS IS NOT WHAT EXISTS IN THE ROOT SERVERS.
THE EXAMPLES ARE CHINA, THERE ARE SOME ARAB STATES.
MY COLLEAGUE FROM IRAN WILL HAVE A PRESENTATION I THINK ON TUESDAY ON THEIR IMPLEMENTATION.
BUT, GENERALLY, THIS IS, I WILL SAY, SOME KIND OF TEST BED.
SO IF THE USER IS CONNECTED TO THE ISP, INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDER THAT OFFER RESOLUTION OF THOSE IDN CCTLDS, IT'S OKAY.
BUT IF THE USER IS, LET'S SAY, CHANGING THE ISP OR GOING ABROAD, HAS NO ACCESS TO SUCH DOMAIN NAME.
FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT IS NOT -- IT'S NOT THE RISK TO DNS, BECAUSE WHEN WE HAVE THIS PROCESS OF IDN IMPLEMENTATION AT THE ROOT LEVEL ALREADY FINISHED, THIS IS JUST A DELEGATION OF SUCH DOT IDN CCTLD TO THE EXISTING CCTLD MANAGER.
SO, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS RATHER I'LL SAY EVEN IT'S FACILITATING ROLE, IT'S NOT A THREAT TO DNS.
BUT OF COURSE IT CAN MAKE SOME CONFUSION.
THE SECOND SITUATION IS THAT THE COMPANY, THE THIRD PARTY, NOT THE OFFICIAL COUNTRY-CODE TOP-LEVEL DOMAIN MANAGER, IS OFFERING TO CUSTOMERS THE POSSIBILITY OF REGISTRATION THEIR DOMAIN NAMES UNDER IDN CCTLD.
VERY OFTEN, THE CUSTOMERS ARE NOT AWARE THAT THIS IS NOT -- FIRST, THAT IT'S NOT THE OFFICIAL CCTLD FOR THE COUNTRY; AND, SECONDLY, THAT THIS IS ONLY -- SUCH DOMAIN NAMES ONLY RESOLVES IN SOME NETWORKS WHEN THEY ARE CONNECTED TO SOME ISPS.
AND WHEN WE HAVE THE PROCESS OF IDN.IDN IMPLEMENTATION WITH ICANN, WE WILL END UP IN THE SITUATION WHO IS THE MANAGER OF THE CCTLD.
AND THE THIRD POSSIBILITY, WHICH MAKES CURRENTLY CONFUSION TO THE INTERNET USERS, AND THIS IS, I THINK, VERY VISIBLE, AND MY COLLEAGUES FROM VERISIGN, AFILIAS, NEUSTAR CAN SHARE THEIR VIEWS PROBABLY, WHEN THERE IS A THIRD PARTY WHICH OFFERS REGISTRATION UNDER LOCAL DOT COM, DOT NET, DOT ORG, WE HAVE SEVERAL EXAMPLES.
WE HAVE ONE EXAMPLE REGISTERING DOMAIN NAMES IN CYRILLIC IN CYRILLIC DOT COM, DOT NET, DOT ORG.
WE HAVE COMPANY OFFERING DOMAIN NAMES IN KOREAN, IN HEBREW, ET CETERA.
AND WHEN THE USER WHO IS USING SUCH A DOMAIN NAME IS CHANGING THE ISP, OR ESPECIALLY FLYING ABROAD AND MOVING TO U.S. AND TRIES TO RESOLVE SUCH DOMAIN NAME, THERE'S A PROBLEM.
SO THEY ARE CALLING VERISIGN, WHY THE DOMAIN NAME IS NOT RESOLVING.
AND, OF COURSE, IT'S NOT THE VERISIGN OR WHOEVER'S FAULT.
IT IS -- THIS DOMAIN NAME DOES NOT EXIST.
AND HOW IT'S POSSIBLE?
VERY BRIEFLY, THE TECHNICAL ISSUES, WE CAN HAVE ONE POSSIBILITY IS THE PATCHING DNS.
IT'S VERY BAD SOLUTION.
WHEN THE ISP ALLOWS RESOLVING DOT IDNS DOMAIN NAMES NOT IN THE ROOT SERVER, BUT IN SOME OTHER NATIVE ROOT.
AND THE SECOND POTENTIAL SOLUTION, THEY ARE PLUG-INS TO THE INTERNET BROWSERS.
BUT THIS SOLUTION, IT'S NOT VERY POPULAR, BECAUSE, GENERALLY, USERS ARE NOT VERY KEEN ON DOWNLOADING NEW VERSIONS.
THIS ISP-BASED SOLUTION, ISP HAS TO MODIFY THE RESOLUTION, DOMAIN NAMES RESOLUTION PROCESS.
THEY HAVE TO RESOLVE SOME DOMAIN NAMES NOT IN THE GOLDEN DNS TREE, BUT IN SOME -- IN SOME OTHER ALTERNATIVE ROOT SERVERS.
AND, OF COURSE, WHEN USER IS NOT USING THAT ISP ANYMORE, WE END UP IN THE SITUATION THAT THIS DOMAIN NAME DOESN'T RESOLVE, AND USER IS CONFUSED.
IN THIS CASE, THE KEY ROLE OF THE INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS, AS I'VE BEEN TOLD, THERE IS MORE THAN 100 ISPS ALREADY OFFERING SUCH SERVICES.
STATISTICS, THERE IS MORE THAN 20,000 IDN.IDN DOMAIN NAMES ALREADY REGISTERED, IF WE CAN SAY "REGISTERED."
IT'S NOT AN IMPRESSIVE NUMBER, BUT, ANYWAY, THIS CONFUSES INTERNET USERS.
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Re: ICANN Meeting Marrakech

This was a good analogy from the meeting, by the speaker from India:

QUOTE:
I would end my recommendation with a small, maybe a philosophical statement that the Wright Brothers probably would not have been able to fly their aircraft if they had waited for the Air Traffic Controller and its regime to be set up before they took off.

So the issue is that many times Technology moves ahead with a little disregard for the regime that exists. It may not be fully conducive, but if the equivalent of a Gac were there to constantly keep looking at all the Public-Policy Issues, then the Motor Car Manufacturer would not have been able to manufacturer a car which would have traveled at 300 Kilometers Per Hour, because every country would have taken the position that our maximum speeds are about 85 Miles, 110, 130, 140 Kilometers, or 200.

So the issue I am trying to bring forth is that it is time we identified some Basic Public-Policy Issues and reduced the complexities to a point where we can go ahead with the Idns. Because the majority of the world today does not speak or write English. Thank You. I can take questions. There won't be any.

>>Paul Twomey: "You have oviously spoken with wisdom there, Pankaj. I think you have instilled silence in the audience".

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Re: ICANN Meeting Marrakech

Everyone agrees on one thing, World is in need for idn's, and soon, but the question remains...and i couldnt understand to which direction the wind blows based on that icann captioning: Dname? (.string) or NS-Record (Root implemantation)??
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Everyone agrees on one thing, World is in need for idn's, and soon, but the question remains...and i couldnt understand to which direction the wind blows based on that icann captioning: Dname? (.string) or NS-Record (Root implemantation)??
Well I was very much getting the message that DNAME is the way forward but there might need to be some tweaking.

Anybody learnt anything new?

Reading through transcript for Sunday, they talked about the XN-- Hack. What seems to be being suggested is that ASCII names can be treated as a subset of IDN. In other words xn--Microsoft.com resolves the same as Microsoft.com. That being the case there is no reason why the xn-- could be dropped altogether, because the presumption would be that everything is in Punycode.

Efffectively ASCII.com ---> IDN.IDN

That might upset a few of the ASCII diehards if you can justifiably claim that all their domains are now IDN!!!
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>What we need is to have an organized representation of IDN investors

Name one domain name investor that has identified himself as such at a prior IDN meeting, and survived the lynching.
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>What we need is to have an organized representation of IDN investors

Name one domain name investor that has identified himself as such at a prior IDN meeting, and survived the lynching.
We do. It is called Verisign.
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>What we need is to have an organized representation of IDN investors

Name one domain name investor that has identified himself as such at a prior IDN meeting, and survived the lynching.
Seriously, why is there such a negative view of domain investors? This needs to change.
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Re: ICANN Meeting Marrakech

My 2 guesses:

1. The IP crowd are pissed off that they missed the original boat?

2. The origins of the Internet explosion (university users) believe that people shouldn't make money from doains?
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Dname and NS records status is addressed here:

TINA DAM: SO ON THE STATUS UPDATE, WE'LL FIRST TAKE A LOOK AT ICANN ACTIVITIES SPECIFICALLY SINCE THE LAST ICANN MEETING IN NEW ZEALAND.
THAT IS FOCUSED -- THAT IS FOCUSED AROUND THE TECHNICAL AND OPERATIONAL TEST PLAN AND NOT SO MUCH ON THE POLICY-RELATED AREA AS THAT WAS DISCUSSED ON THE SUNDAY'S WORKSHOP FOR THIS MEETING IN MOROCCO.
THEN I'LL EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE IDN PROGRAM PLAN THAT LIES WITHIN ICANN AND IS MANAGED BY ICANN STAFF IN DIFFERENT AREAS.
AND THEN WE'LL STEP DOWN AGAIN AND TAKE A CLOSER LOOK INTO A DRAFT REVISED PLAN FOR TECHNICAL AND OPERATIONAL TESTS. AND THAT IS ACTUALLY A NEW PROPOSAL. AND I'M GOING TO UNDERLINE IT AGAIN LATER IN THIS PRESENTATION, BUT THIS IS A STAFF -- THIS IS A STAFF-BASED PROPOSAL THAT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH SOME VERY SPECIFIC PROCESS BEFORE IT CAN BE FINALIZED ON PARTICULAR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PRESIDENT'S ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON IDNS AND SO FORTH.
BUT I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO AT LEAST PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON WHAT WE HAVE SO FAR, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT FINAL.
SO A QUICK OR SHORT REVIEW OF THE ACTIVITIES SINCE THE LAST ICANN MEETING. AND AGAIN, THIS IS ON THE TECHNICAL TEST AREA.
AS YOU MAY RECALL, IN MARCH WE RELEASED, VIA THE PRESIDENT'S ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR IDNS, A PROPOSED PLAN FOR HOW TO PERFORM TECHNICAL TESTS OF INSERTING IDN TLD LABELS IN THE ROOT ZONE.
THE PROPOSED PLAN WAS DISCUSSED THROUGHOUT ACTUALLY BOTH APRIL AND MAY. WE HAD SOME INITIAL RSSAC DISCUSSIONS TO GET SOME FEEDBACK ON THE PROPOSAL. THERE WERE SEVERAL COMMUNITY AND CONSTITUENCY DISCUSSIONS DURING THE ICANN MEETING IN WELLINGTON, ALTHOUGH WE DID NOT HAVE A SPECIFIC WORKSHOP ON IDNS AT THAT MEETING. IT WAS MORE LOCATED IN, LIKE, SMALLER GROUPS WITHIN THE DIFFERENT CONSTITUENCIES. THE THOUGHT WAS TO GET A MORE FOCUSED REVIEW OF THE PROPOSED PLANNING AND ISSUES THAT RELATE SPECIFICALLY AND TARGETED AT SPECIFIC CONSTITUENCIES INSTEAD OF A BIG FORUM AS WE HAVE HERE THIS TIME.
DURING MAY, ICANN STAFF DISCUSSED ALL OF THE INPUT THAT WAS RECEIVED.
AS YOU MIGHT RECALL, IF YOU FOLLOWED THE PROPOSED PLAN FOR TESTING, THE CORE PART OF THE PROPOSAL WAS TO TEST DNAMES AND NS RECORDS. SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT HAD TO DO WITH ROOT OPERATORS NOT RUNNING DNAME SOFTWARE. SEVERAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE MATURITY OF THE DNAME FUNCTIONALITY AND WHETHER THAT SHOULD NOT BE ANALYZED MORE DEEPLY BEFORE WE INITIATE ANY TESTING OF IT.
AND MORE FEEDBACK.
SO ICANN STAFF GATHERED THE FEEDBACK AND STARTED LOOKING AT HOW CAN WE REVISE THE PROPOSED PLAN AND CHANGE IT SO THAT IT WORKS FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THOSE WHO NEED TO TAKE PART IN THE TEST.
WE ALSO SOUGHT CONSULTATION FROM SEVERAL EXPERTS.
AND IN JUNE, WE THEN ENDED UP WITH A REVISED PROPOSED PLAN TO PRESENT TO DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS. AND I WILL GET BACK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE PRESENTATION.
WE ALSO HAVE A PROCESS FOR FINALIZING THAT TEST PLAN, AND I WILL GIVE YOU A VIEW OF THAT AS WELL.
ON THE IDN PROGRAM PLAN, AND THAT INCLUDES SOME OF THE WORK THAT WE DID IN REVISING THE TECHNICAL TEST, WHAT WE'VE DONE INTERNALLY IS TO DEVELOP THIS PROGRAM THAT WE CALL THE IDN PROGRAM PLAN.
IT ENCOMPASSES ALL ACTIONS AND DELIVERABLES THAT ARE NECESSARY TO DEPLOY IDNS AS WE SEE IT AT THIS STAGE.
CERTAINLY, SOME OF THE DEEPER ANALYSIS AND TESTING WILL MAKE US GO BACK AND REVISE SOME OF THESE ITEMS IN THE PROGRAM PLAN EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE THROUGH THIS PROCESS, AS IS DEEMED NECESSARY FROM THOSE RESULTS THAT WE GET FROM ANALYSIS AND TESTS.
HOWEVER, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THE PROGRAM PLAN IS COMPRISED OF A SET OF PROJECTS. THE PROJECTS ARE SOMEWHAT PLANNED SEPARATELY BUT THERE IS CORRELATION BETWEEN THE MILESTONES AND THE TASKS WITHIN THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT HAS TO BE MANAGED ACROSS THE PROJECTS.
SO THE LIST IS TECHNICAL AND OPERATIONAL TESTS. POLICY DEVELOPMENT, AS I MENTIONED, THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN THE SUNDAY'S WORKSHOP.
IDN GUIDELINES, IANA PROCESSES, OUTREACH PLANNING, AND COMMUNICATION PLANNING.
AND AS I STARTED OFF BY SAYING, THIS -- IN THIS STATUS REPORT FOR YOU, I'M GOING TO TAKE A FOCUS ON THE TECHNICAL AND OPERATIONAL TEST PLAN.
JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AND VIEW THIS TEST, THE GOAL WITH THE TECHNICAL AND OPERATIONAL TEST THE SAME WAY, IT IS TO DEMONSTRATE THAT INSERTION OF IDN STRINGS INTO THE ROOT HAS NO APPRECIABLE NEGATIVE IMPACT ON EXISTING RESOLUTION. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DNS STAYS STABLE AND SECURE WHEN WE ENTER IDN STRINGS INTO THE ROOT.
NOW, IT'S DIFFICULT TO PROVE A NEGATIVE, BUT WE CAN TAKE STEPS THAT ALLOW US TO SAY THAT WE ARE REASONABLY CERTAIN THAT THERE ARE NO ISSUES.
AND IN ORDER TO REACH THAT GOAL, WE NEED TO GO THROUGH A COMBINATION OF ACTIVITIES, WHICH WE'LL SHOW YOU HERE IN THE NEXT SLIDE.
NOW, THIS IS A PROPOSED REVISION OF THE TECHNICAL AND OPERATIONAL TEST PROPOSAL THAT WE ACCOMPLISHED IN MARCH. AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THIS IS GOING TO BE -- THE DETAILS OF THIS IS WITHIN A BRIEFING TO THE PRESIDENT'S ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR IDNS THAT WILL BE MEETING TOMORROW LATE AFTERNOON.
SO BEFORE WE HAVE ACTUALLY HAD THE DISCUSSION WITH THAT GROUP OF EXPERTS, THIS IS AS MUCH AS I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH IN JUST A LITTLE BIT, IS WHAT I HAVE FOR YOU TODAY.
NOW, THE PRESIDENT'S ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS GOING TO DISCUSS THE NEW PLAN THAT STAFF HAVE BEEN WORKING ON TOGETHER WITH EXPERTS IN TRYING TO DEFINE IT MORE CLOSELY OR TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE MISSED THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE DIFFERENTLY.
THEN THERE IS GOING TO BE AN IETF MEETING IN MONTREAL FROM THE 9TH THROUGH THE 14TH OF JULY. AT THAT MEETING, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF SETTING UP SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH THE RSSAC AND THE ROOT OPERATORS AND ADDITIONAL -- AND ALSO OTHER ADDITIONAL WORKING GROUPS WITHIN THE IETF TO DISCUSS THE DETAILS OF THE PROPOSED PLAN.
THESE ARE ALL INDIVIDUALS WHO NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN THE PLAN, AND SO THIS IS THE CONSULTATION PHASE THAT WE ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH OVER THE NEXT PERIOD OF TIME BEFORE ANYTHING CAN BE FINALIZED.
SO THE WAY THE PROPOSED PLAN LOOKS NOW IS NS RECORDS BASED ON PUNYCODE STRINGS WILL BE PERFORMED FIRST AS A TEST IN A LABORATORY.
THE DEFINITION OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE GOING TO BE TESTED AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING WHERE WE'LL BE ASKING FOR INPUT FROM DNS TECHNICAL AND OPERATIONAL EXPERTS AND THAT WILL GO THROUGH BOTH THE PRESIDENT'S ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THE IETF AS I OUTLINED.

THEN THERE WILL BE A SUGGESTION TO BE PERFORMED AN OPERATIONAL PROCESS TEST. THE GOAL OF THIS TEST IS TO VERIFY THAT ALL OF THE PROCESSES FOR INSERTING IDN TLDS IN THE ROOT ARE FUNCTIONING AND ARE IN PLACE. THAT INCLUDES ANY ICANN PROCESSES, APPROVAL PROCESSES WITHIN THE ICANN BOARD, THE IANA PROCESSES FOR INSERTING THE STRINGS, AND DOC APPROVAL. AND WE SIMPLY WANT TO RUN THROUGH -- WE ARE SUGGESTING WE WANT TO RUN THROUGH AND TEST THAT OUT.
AND FINALLY, AS A LAST RESULT, TO DO THE DNS ROOT NAME SERVER TEST.
SO THAT'S ON THE NS RECORD SIDE.


ON THE DNAME SIDE, WE WILL GO THROUGH SOME DEEP ANALYSIS OF HOW TO FUNCTION -- OR HOW THE FUNCTIONALITY OF DNAME RESOURCE RECORDS STAND CURRENTLY. AND ALSO TO DEFINE ANY PRACTICAL IMPLICATION THAT MIGHT BE WITH THAT METHOD.
THAT ANALYSIS IS INTENDED TO SHOW WHETHER WE SHOULD PROCEED WITH SOME TESTING OR WHETHER THAT'S PREMATURE TO DO THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
SO THOSE TWO THINGS ARE GOING TO RUN IN PARALLEL TRACKS.
AND THIS IS MY LAST SLIDE. I MENTIONED QUITE A BIT ABOUT THE PROCESS BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME TO STRESS THAT THE DETAILS OF THE NEW PROPOSED PLAN NEEDS TO GO THROUGH A LOT OF CONSULTATION.
TOMORROW, WITH THE PRESIDENT'S ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON IDNS, THERE NEEDS TO BE, NATURALLY, A REVIEW BY ICANN'S EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT AND APPROVAL. AND MOVING FORWARD -- SO THERE WILL BE SOME DISCUSSION HERE TODAY, AND THEN MOVING FORWARD TO THE IETF MEETING IN MONTREAL, AFTER WHICH WE'LL PUBLISH IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, AND AT THE END FINALIZE THE TEST PLAN AND MAKE IT AVAILABLE FOR EVERYBODY.
AND THAT CONCLUDES MY STATUS REPORT FOR TODAY.
>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, TINA. IT STRIKES ME THAT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS WHERE WE BETTER GET IT RIGHT, BECAUSE ONCE WE LAUNCH IT, IT WILL BE REAL HARD TO UNDO.
SO ONE OF THE REASONS FOR DOING A LOT OF ANALYSIS AND TESTING UP FRONT IS PRECISELY TO AVOID THE POSSIBILITY THAT WE CAN'T BACK OUT.
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Re: ICANN Meeting Marrakech

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An easier-to-read version:


Tina Dam: So on the status update, we'll first take a look at ICANN activities specifically since the last ICANN meeting in New Zealand.
That is focused -- that is focused around the technical and operational test plan and not so much on the policy-related area as that was discussed on the Sunday’s workshop for this meeting in morocco.
Then I’ll explain a little bit about the IDN program plan that lies within ICANN and is managed by ICANN staff in different areas.
And then we'll step down again and take a closer look into a draft revised plan for technical and operational tests. And that is actually a new proposal. And I’m going to underline it again later in this presentation, but this is a staff -- this is a staff-based proposal that needs to go through some very specific process before it can be finalized on particular discussions with the president's advisory committee on IDNs and so forth.
But I thought it would be appropriate to at least provide an update on what we have so far, even though it's not final.
So a quick or short review of the activities since the last ICANN meeting. And again, this is on the technical test area.
As you may recall, in March we released, via the president's advisory committee for IDNs, a proposed plan for how to perform technical tests of inserting IDN tld labels in the root zone.
The proposed plan was discussed throughout actually both April and may. We had some initial rssac discussions to get some feedback on the proposal. There were several community and constituency discussions during the ICANN meeting in Wellington, although we did not have a specific workshop on IDNs at that meeting. It was more located in, like, smaller groups within the different constituencies. The thought was to get a more focused review of the proposed planning and issues that relate specifically and targeted at specific constituencies instead of a big forum as we have here this time.
During May, ICANN staff discussed all of the input that was received.
As you might recall, if you followed the proposed plan for testing, the core part of the proposal was to test dnames and ns records. Some of the feedback that we got had to do with root operators not running dname software. Several concerns about the maturity of the dname functionality and whether that should not be analyzed more deeply before we initiate any testing of it.
And more feedback.
So ICANN staff gathered the feedback and started looking at how can we revise the proposed plan and change it so that it works for the community and those who need to take part in the test.
We also sought consultation from several experts.
And in June, we then ended up with a revised proposed plan to present to different stakeholders. And I will get back to that a little bit later in the presentation.
We also have a process for finalizing that test plan, and I will give you a view of that as well.
On the IDN program plan, and that includes some of the work that we did in revising the technical test, what we've done internally is to develop this program that we call the IDN program plan.
It encompasses all actions and deliverables that are necessary to deploy IDNs as we see it at this stage.
Certainly, some of the deeper analysis and testing will make us go back and revise some of these items in the program plan every once in a while through this process, as is deemed necessary from those results that we get from analysis and tests.
However, at this point in time, the program plan is comprised of a set of projects. The projects are somewhat planned separately but there is correlation between the milestones and the tasks within the different projects that has to be managed across the projects.
So the list is technical and operational tests. Policy development, as I mentioned, that was discussed in the Sunday’s workshop.
IDN guidelines, iana processes, outreach planning, and communication planning.
And as I started off by saying, this -- in this status report for you, I’m going to take a focus on the technical and operational test plan.
Just to make sure that we're all on the same page and view this test, the goal with the technical and operational test the same way, it is to demonstrate that insertion of IDN strings into the root has no appreciable negative impact on existing resolution. So we want to make sure that the DNS stays stable and secure when we enter IDN strings into the root.
Now, it's difficult to prove a negative, but we can take steps that allow us to say that we are reasonably certain that there are no issues.
And in order to reach that goal, we need to go through a combination of activities, which we'll show you here in the next slide.
Now, this is a proposed revision of the technical and operational test proposal that we accomplished in March. And as I mentioned earlier, this is going to be -- the details of this is within a briefing to the president's advisory committee for IDNs that will be meeting tomorrow late afternoon.
So before we have actually had the discussion with that group of experts, this is as much as I’m going to go through in just a little bit, is what I have for you today.
Now, the president's advisory committee is going to discuss the new plan that staff have been working on together with experts in trying to define it more closely or to see if there's something that we have missed that needs to be done differently.
Then there is going to be an ietf meeting in Montréal from the 9th through the 14th of July. At that meeting, we're in the process of setting up several meetings with the rssac and the root operators and additional -- and also other additional working groups within the ietf to discuss the details of the proposed plan.
These are all individuals who need to be involved in the plan, and so this is the consultation phase that we are going to go through over the next period of time before anything can be finalized.
So the way the proposed plan looks now is ns records based on punycode strings will be performed first as a test in a laboratory.
The definition of the issues that are going to be tested again, as I mentioned, is going to be something where we'll be asking for input from DNS technical and operational experts and that will go through both the president's advisory committee and the ietf as I outlined.
Then there will be a suggestion to be performed an operational process test. The goal of this test is to verify that all of the processes for inserting IDN tlds in the root are functioning and are in place. That includes any ICANN processes, approval processes within the ICANN board, the iana processes for inserting the strings, and doc approval. And we simply want to run through -- we are suggesting we want to run through and test that out.
And finally, as a last result, to do the DNS root name server test.
So that's on the ns record side.
On the dname side, we will go through some deep analysis of how to function -- or how the functionality of dname resource records stand currently. And also to define any practical implication that might be with that method.
That analysis is intended to show whether we should proceed with some testing or whether that's premature to do that at this point in time.
So those two things are going to run in parallel tracks.
And this is my last slide. I mentioned quite a bit about the process because it's important for me to stress that the details of the new proposed plan needs to go through a lot of consultation.
Tomorrow, with the president's advisory committee on IDNs, there needs to be, naturally, a review by ICANN's executive management and approval. And moving forward -- so there will be some discussion here today, and then moving forward to the ietf meeting in Montréal, after which we'll publish it for public comment, and at the end finalize the test plan and make it available for everybody.
And that concludes my status report for today.
>>vint cerf: thank you very much, Tina. It strikes me that this is one of those projects where we better get it right, because once we launch it, it will be real hard to undo.
So one of the reasons for doing a lot of analysis and testing up front is precisely to avoid the possibility that we can't back out.
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Re: ICANN Meeting Marrakech

For those who don't want to read the whole thing here's my summary:

"We need to do more tests."
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Re: ICANN Meeting Marrakech

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For those who don't want to read the whole thing here's my summary:

"We need to do more tests."
Yes, except that implies that they have actually done something.
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Re: ICANN Meeting Marrakech

It seems to me that China and other foreign governments should stop pushing ICANN for IDN implementation. ICANN, DNAME, and NS-Space are so far largely irrelevant.

To get large scale IDN implementation, the non-English speaking world should be pushing Microsoft to get IE7 out. That's the biggest hurdle to the IDN world.
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