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[gus]

"Okay, the main thing would be, does it get traffic, now?"

Yes they do
not much but they do

despite the fact that this is a good question, it may not be the most appropiate one at this point in time.

If these domains were getting a lot of traffic they would be on the mainstream secondary domain market and, then they would be worth a lot of money by now.
(and we wouldn't be talking about it in this forum)

so here is what we need to consider regarding these of domains
1. how are they working now with IE7?
2. what is the value of the domain for branding?
3. since you can not register these type of domains anymore, are they any more valuable?

it seems vey unlikely that anyone would type an € symbol followed by latin characters in a browser, so only an intensive PR or a lot of luck will unveil to the general public these domains.

it happened with £.com so is just matter of time.

[Drewbert]

4. will they still work when IETF completes it's update of nameprep, and those rules are incorporated in browser updates?

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by Drewbert

4. will they still work when IETF completes it's update of nameprep, and those rules are incorporated in browser updates?

From what I read of the ICANN IDN Workshop transcripts there is not much hope for Dingbat or Special Characters, but who knows?

[gus]

Originally Posted by Drewbert

4. will they still work when IETF completes it's update of nameprep, and those rules are incorporated in browser updates?

good point

[blastfromthepast]

The document to study is http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/...-tables-01.txt

[gus]

Thanks Blastfromthepast, I know the document quite well.
I've been crossing my fingers, hoping it won't be implemented.

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by gus

Thanks Blastfromthepast, I know the document quite well.
I've been crossing my fingers, hoping it won't be implemented.

This is obviously a complete list of what they may not include. I would interpret the Maybies as being probably OK, but subject to confirmation.

[blackops]

Originally Posted by gus

Thanks Blastfromthepast, I know the document quite well.
I've been crossing my fingers, hoping it won't be implemented.

You won't need to hope, ICANN haven't got a leg to stand on as far as deleting existing (symbol-based) domains is concerned. If they try to do it they will guarantee themselves a legal challenge and a great deal of adverse publicity.

[blastfromthepast]

Originally Posted by blackops

You won't need to hope, ICANN haven't got a leg to stand on as far as deleting existing (symbol-based) domains is concerned. If they try to do it they will guarantee themselves a legal challenge and a great deal of adverse publicity.

I think we need to form a group of symbol domain owners to protest their move, and present logical arguments as to why they are good domains.

[gus]

Originally Posted by blastfromthepast

I think we need to form a group of symbol domain owners to protest their move, and present logical arguments as to why they are good domains.

good idea
any suggestions?

[Drewbert]

Originally Posted by blackops

You won't need to hope, ICANN haven't got a leg to stand on as far as deleting existing (symbol-based) domains is concerned. If they try to do it they will guarantee themselves a legal challenge and a great deal of adverse publicity.

I look forward to watching your legal attack.

They once let domains beginning with a hyphen get registered, and a bunch were, and then they killed them off.

The guy that (supposedly) had an agreement with Postel to start .web paid ICANN $50,000 to be considered (fro about 5 seconds) as a new gTLD - along with a large number of other people.

These guys don't give a shit about a bunch of tinpot domain name owners - didn't you read they agreed unanimously tot eh new org/info (etc) contract even though they weren't even due for renewal?

Originally Posted by blastfromthepast

I think we need to form a group of symbol domain owners to protest their move, and present logical arguments as to why they are good domains.

Like I've said before, if you stood up at an ICANN meeting proudly proclaiming yourself as an IDN investor, you'd get lynched.

Proclaiming yourself as a symbol domain investor, you'd probably get laughed at, THEN lynched.

[lyndonmaxewell]

Yea, in fact (can i say) all the symbol domain owners are domain investors. havent seen one that is used for other than that (business etc.) so who's gonna back us up?

[blastfromthepast]

Originally Posted by lyndonmaxewell

Yea, in fact (can i say) all the symbol domain owners are domain investors. havent seen one that is used for other than that (business etc.) so who's gonna back us up?

[url]http://©.com/[/url] and http://®.com/ are being used.

[lyndonmaxewell]

[quote=blastfromthepast][url]http://©.com/[/url] and http://®.com/ are being used.[/quote]

one or two chips arent gonna get you anywhere on the gambling table, with the banker being ICANN.

[blastfromthepast]

Originally Posted by lyndonmaxewell

one or two chips arent gonna get you anywhere on the gambling table, with the banker being ICANN.

So then its time to fold and cut the losses.

[blackops]

ICANN are not able to delete symbol-based domains from the net, it's as simple as that. If they try to do this it will create a new legal precedent and will directly contravene every form of registration right as they relate to domain names.

If ICANN genuinely want to 'clean up' the internet they can start with the THOUSANDS of pornographic and inciteful names they have allowed to be registered over the last 15 years...

[gus]

According with the memo, they don't really have to delete the domains, but after the "normalization" they just simply won't resolve.

What about the fact that the document Expires April 26, 2007?
is that any good?

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by blackops

ICANN are not able to delete symbol-based domains from the net, it's as simple as that. If they try to do this it will create a new legal precedent and will directly contravene every form of registration right as they relate to domain names.

If ICANN genuinely want to 'clean up' the internet they can start with the THOUSANDS of pornographic and inciteful names they have allowed to be registered over the last 15 years...

ICANN have never explicitly sanctioned Dingbat or even Symbols. Verisign really went out on a limb with IDN and ICANN has been playing catch up.

If ICANN move to an inclusive Unicode system, which is what the latest standard will be then they cannot really be accused of anything if that standard no longer supports Dingbats. Verisign might have a problem, but I think contractually you will just be entitled to another name.

[blackops]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

ICANN have never explicitly sanctioned Dingbat or even Symbols.

Actually, they did explicitly sanction them (courtesy of their RFC document).

[gus]

do you guys think that deleting the ccTLD .su (Soviet Union) could create a precedence?

"Kommersant Daily wrote Monday that if the corporation goes ahead with its plan many Russian companies may suffer losses. Some of them have already threatened ICANN with lawsuits.

The domain .su was registered in September 1990. But in 1994 when Russia’s .ru was introduced the registration of .su names was suspended to be resumed in December 2002 only for brand owners. A year later the .su extension again became available to all users.

Today, there are approximately 8,000 domain names registered with the .su ending in the Internet. Elimination of the Soviet-era suffix may cause considerable damage to their owners, who have already put up cash for advertising of their websites. Some of those companies have already said that they could sue ICANN.

One of those is the pro-Kremlin youth group Nashi, whose website is registered with the .su suffix. “Should the domain be eliminated our lawyers will examine the issue and will stand up for the movement’s rights in court,” Nashi spokesman Robert Shlegel told Kommersant"