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People won't be typing idn.com overnight - it might be a few years after IE 7 is released
Sorry, you're wrong Jeff. Try again
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People won't be typing idn.com overnight - it might be a few years after IE 7 is released
I see there are just 2 different groups of people , those waiting on Typins , and those that are going to make some killer sites, You make a Killer IDN site they will be typing it in every day and night
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Old 27th June 2006, 08:20 AM
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If you have any domains with "issues" you will know that people are typing in Unicode in huge numbers trying to get to ASCII based sites. Seriously, there isn't going to be a problem!

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I see there are just 2 different groups of people , those waiting on Typins , and those that are going to make some killer sites, You make a Killer IDN site they will be typing it in every day and night
I think you need to recognise that the Killer Site will be done by those in touch with local culture. That isn't going to be me, and probably not you either!
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Re: drbiohealth is gonna be one rich IDN'er

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Just give us IE 7.0 as automatic update and you will see the power of local culture.
Well, I just hope that you guys haven't
invested your life savings in idn.com that's
all...

My opinion is that idn.idn is currently being
'tested', through search engine rankings (esp.
in places like Japan) to try and find out whether
it will receive widespread public support; and if
it does I wouldn't want to place much money in
to idn.com as, without DNAME, it will look like a
'dead duck in the water'.

If DNAME does go ahead (and I don't think it will)
then I would say it's only a matter of time before
it is scrapped; and if one major country scraps it,
then it will probably mean that others will too, and
for the same reasons.
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Old 27th June 2006, 08:54 AM
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Re: drbiohealth is gonna be one rich IDN'er

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Well, I just hope that you guys haven't
invested your life savings in idn.com that's
all...

My opinion is that idn.idn is currently being
'tested', through search engine rankings (esp.
in places like Japan) to try and find out whether
it will receive widespread public support; and if
it does I wouldn't want to place much money in
to idn.com as, without DNAME, it will look like a
'dead duck in the water'.

If DNAME does go ahead (and I don't think it will)
then I would say it's only a matter of time before
it is scrapped; and if one major country scraps it,
then it will probably mean that others will too, and
for the same reasons.
Search engine ranking is something that is primarily in the hands of Google, MSN and Yahoo.

If IDN.IDN is introduced in any meaningful way it will be done by ICANN, which has already launched itself on that trajectory.

DNAME is mechanism, not a set of policies. If they put IDN.IDN directly into the route, that will still have to meet the same set of policy objectives as DNAME.

Countries will not have any say in DNAME apart from what they decide to adopt as their ccTLD Alias. If they opt to keep the two letter codes rather than to use Unicode, all they will achieve is to kill their own ccTLD registery. I hope they don't do that, as I will give myself a Hernia.
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Re: drbiohealth is gonna be one rich IDN'er

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Well, I just hope that you guys haven't
invested your life savings in idn.com that's
all...

My opinion is that idn.idn is currently being
'tested', through search engine rankings (esp.
in places like Japan) to try and find out whether
it will receive widespread public support; and if
it does I wouldn't want to place much money in
to idn.com as, without DNAME, it will look like a
'dead duck in the water'.

If DNAME does go ahead (and I don't think it will)
then I would say it's only a matter of time before
it is scrapped; and if one major country scraps it,
then it will probably mean that others will too, and
for the same reasons.
If you don't mind me asking, where have you invested then, if not in idn.com and why?
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Re: drbiohealth is gonna be one rich IDN'er

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Countries will not have any say in DNAME apart from what they decide to adopt as their ccTLD Alias.
Ok, if you say so :-)
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Re: drbiohealth is gonna be one rich IDN'er

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If you don't mind me asking, where have you invested then, if not in idn.com and why?
Alpha: I'm not a huge advocate of idn.com
and I think that, given recent events, it is
on very shaky ground.

And when I said that idn.idn was being 'tested'
I meant tested by the government (through the
search engines) rather than the s/e companies
themselves taking the initiative.
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Ok, if you say so :-)
Well that is the case. Because DNAME is essentially a technical matter, it is an ICANN issue, although as Verisign will have to do much of the work on this they will also have a big Input. Country registrars have a big input at a policy and linguistic level, but we are really talking about the internal working of a computer system here. This is not a matter for the United Nations.
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Re: drbiohealth is gonna be one rich IDN'er

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DNAME is essentially a technical matter
You are right, DNAME is a technical matter, but
a technical matter borne from a policy decision
(that could change at anytime, or not go ahead
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Re: drbiohealth is gonna be one rich IDN'er

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Alpha: ...and I think that, given recent events, it is
on very shaky ground....

you mean the continual moaning about how the USA "owns" the internet and won't let anyone else play with their ball?

talk about bite that hand that feeds you!! ICANN & Verisign have made the internet what it is today and that includes a stable worldwide platform.

I'm no Yank flag waver, but I know what side my bread is buttered.
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Old 27th June 2006, 09:15 AM
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Re: drbiohealth is gonna be one rich IDN'er

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Well, I just hope that you guys haven't
invested your life savings in idn.com that's
all...

My opinion is that idn.idn is currently being
'tested', through search engine rankings (esp.
in places like Japan) to try and find out whether
it will receive widespread public support; and if
it does I wouldn't want to place much money in
to idn.com as, without DNAME, it will look like a
'dead duck in the water'.

If DNAME does go ahead (and I don't think it will)
then I would say it's only a matter of time before
it is scrapped; and if one major country scraps it,
then it will probably mean that others will too, and
for the same reasons.

I think everyone here knows this issue, and many people are diversifying, investing in ctlds, different languages (some languages can work better with .com), etc.

Overall, those that started early, have gotten themselves enough good generic names (at $7 each) to even out their investment - even if they do not make money in the end.

And since there are still good $7 names, although hard to find, we have not completely gone past this "risk-free period" so to speak.

If you spend more time pondering over the DNAME issue, you are just going to miss out the opportunity altogether.

Anyway, idn.idn is already here, at least for Chinese .cn. So it's not a new end of the world phenomenon. :o

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Alpha: I'm not a huge advocate of idn.com
and I think that, given recent events, it is
on very shaky ground.

And when I said that idn.idn was being 'tested'
I meant tested by the government (through the
search engines) rather than the s/e companies
themselves taking the initiative.
I am sorry, but does anyone have a clue what he is talking about here?

Perhaps we all invested not knowing something profound and far reaching is going on here?
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Re: drbiohealth is gonna be one rich IDN'er

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you mean the continual moaning about how the USA "owns" the internet and won't let anyone else play with their ball?

talk about bite that hand that feeds you!! ICANN & Verisign have made the internet what it is today and that includes a stable worldwide platform.

I'm no Yank flag waver, but I know what side my bread is buttered.
Ok, fair comment, but ICANN and Verisign (oh, lets
not forget '.com' too) stand for American imperialism.
Regardless, of what they say they are going to do,
THAT is the perception and it doesn't sit well with
the wider world...

Discounting arguments about Asian countries and
nationalism, I can not even see a substantial business
reason as to why DNAME should be implemented for idn.

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I am sorry, but does anyone have a clue what he is talking about here?

Perhaps we all invested not knowing something profound and far reaching is going on here?
That's ok, I guess any opposing view has to
be ridiculed in order that you may feel good
about your 'investment'.

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Old 27th June 2006, 09:33 AM
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Ok, fair comment, but ICANN and Verisign (oh, lets
not forget '.com' too) stand for American imperialism.
Regardless, of what they say they are going to do,
THAT is the perception and it doesn't sit well with
the wider world...

Discounting arguments about Asian countries and
nationalism, I can not even see a substantial business
reason as to why DNAME should be implemented for idn.



That's ok, I guess any opposing view has to
be ridiculed in order that you may feel good
about your 'investment'.
Interesting perspective.

My comments relating to Government being involved in Search, were purely a matter of total bewilderment. I genuinely don't have a clue what you are talking about, but I suspect neither do you.
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Ok, fair comment, but ICANN and Verisign (oh, lets
not forget '.com' too) stand for American imperialism.
Regardless, of what they say they are going to do,
THAT is the perception and it doesn't sit well with
the wider world...

Discounting arguments about Asian countries and
nationalism, I can not even see a substantial business
reason as to why DNAME should be implemented for idn....
thats like saying, "I won't type in English because ASCII stands for 'American...' "

I admit I know nothing about how the rest of the world perceive .com etc; but are you sure that you are right in your generalisations of the world ?

I personally would rather have someone running the internet that has proved they can, rather than a load of politicians.
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Ok, fair comment, but ICANN and Verisign (oh, lets
not forget '.com' too) stand for American imperialism.
Regardless, of what they say they are going to do,
THAT is the perception and it doesn't sit well with
the wider world...

Discounting arguments about Asian countries and
nationalism, I can not even see a substantial business
reason as to why DNAME should be implemented for idn..

I see where you are coming from, but the world is a strange place - there are all sorts of people and stereotypes do not consume the entire marketshare. Even if just 20% of people can accept idn.com, there will still be a value in idn.com. The same reason why good .info generics can be sold for tens of thousands of dolars - hack, the only .info site i can recall is that webhosting.info.

Given a choice of kakaku.com and 価格.com, i think most Japanese will prefer 価格.com. Half of it in native language is still better than the whole thing in romaji - the .com is easier to remember as it is universally recognized.

Important issues to consider:

1). Switching key is one step more but not impossible task - besides Firefox allows typing of .com without switching key.
2). Recall value and brandability is important - 価格.com is still easier to recall than kakaku.com - otherwise why would kakaku.com use 価格.com even though they do not own that IDN!
3). 20% of $100,000 is still $20,000 - worth more than $7 investment.
4). .com is easier to remember as it is universally recognized.

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Ok, fair comment, but ICANN and Verisign (oh, lets
not forget '.com' too) stand for American imperialism.
This kind of whining has more currency among rich France intellectuals, who really have never suffered anything from America anyways, other than getting pissed off at at a few McDonalds being built in their home town.

You don't understand how Asian countries work. Countries like Japan don't whine about American imperialism. They take real steps towards making themselves rich, and then take real steps at getting things done to suit their needs, preferably behind the scenes.

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Discounting arguments about Asian countries and
nationalism, I can not even see a substantial business
reason as to why DNAME should be implemented for idn.
Don't discount them. IDNs were made primarily for Asian countries. China is the driving force behing IDNs being implemented and is one of the few governments that is actively promoting IDNs.

You don't see .EU promoting IDNs? Why? They haven't even gotten up to speed with IDN.EU, although many European langauges need IDNs!

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This kind of whining has more currency among rich France intellectuals, who really have never suffered anything from America anyways, other than getting pissed off at at a few McDonalds being built in their home town.

You don't understand how Asian countries work. Countries like Japan don't whine about American imperialism. They take real steps towards making themselves rich, and then take real steps at getting things done to suit their needs, preferably behind the scenes.



Don't discount them. IDNs were made primarily for Asian countries. China is the driving force behing IDNs being implemented and is one of the few governments that is actively promoting IDNs.

You don't see .EU promoting IDNs? Why? They haven't even gotten up to speed with IDN.EU, although many European langauges need IDNs!

Talking about IDN.EU, when are they going to launch it?
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