Oriental Mindset?

[Rubber Duck]

I am sure some other Westerners find this challenging as well but please can anyone explain to me why?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5116076.stm

<<The US is considering deploying Patriot interceptor missiles at its bases in Japan, amid fears North Korea is about to test-launch a long-range missile.>>


<<Japan has agreed to US plans to place Patriot Advanced Capability-3 missiles on some of its bases in Japan for the first time, a Defence Agency official said on Monday.

These PAC-3 missiles are designed to intercept ballistic or missiles, as well as aircraft.

The missiles would be deployed on the southern island of Okinawa, according to a report in Japan's largest newspaper Yomiuri Shimbun. >>

These Korean Missiles must be extremely slow, if a Patriot is going to get all the way from Okinawa on time!!!

[Edwin]

Er, no, not if the Korean missile is fired OVER Japan - which is pretty much what happened last time!

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by Edwin

Er, no, not if the Korean missile is fired OVER Japan - which is pretty much what happened last time!

Yes, and for that very reason, I would want to position them as close to the launch site as possible, not in the remotest outpost in completely the opposite direction.

Having said that perhaps the American are just trying to put up a smoke screen. They may just hit it hard on the launch pad, as soon as it starts to fuel up. That can probably be done from a Submarine.

[Alphamale]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

Yes, and for that very reason, I would want to position them as close to the launch site as possible, not in the remotest outpost in completely the opposite direction.

Having said that perhaps the American are just trying to put up a smoke screen. They may just hit it hard on the launch pad, as soon as it starts to fuel up. That can probably be done from a Submarine.

Having the missles further away will provide more video footage for the on-board camera. I imagine CNN are sponsoring one of those Patriots.

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by Alphamale

Having the missles further away will provide more video footage for the on-board camera. I imagine CNN are sponsoring one of those Patriots.

Well they should get some good shots, as the air burst ain't going to happen until the damn thing is right over Tokyo!

[touchring]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

I am sure some other Westerners find this challenging as well but please can anyone explain to me why?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5116076.stm

<<The US is considering deploying Patriot interceptor missiles at its bases in Japan, amid fears North Korea is about to test-launch a long-range missile.>>


<<Japan has agreed to US plans to place Patriot Advanced Capability-3 missiles on some of its bases in Japan for the first time, a Defence Agency official said on Monday.

These PAC-3 missiles are designed to intercept ballistic or missiles, as well as aircraft.

The missiles would be deployed on the southern island of Okinawa, according to a report in Japan's largest newspaper Yomiuri Shimbun. >>

These Korean Missiles must be extremely slow, if a Patriot is going to get all the way from Okinawa on time!!!

I would guess that the Japanese will feel threatened by the Patriot missiles, so they must be far away from the main islands.

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by touchring

I would guess that the Japanese will feel threatened by the Patriot missiles, so they must be far away from the main islands.

Yes, precisely my point. That would not be the reaction of the public in the West. They would want the things where they were going to be most effective!

[rhys]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

Yes, precisely my point. That would not be the reaction of the public in the West. They would want the things where they were going to be most effective!

Only if they were your missiles. The Japanese are extremely sensitive about US bases and grow more so as time goes on. I think this is perfectly understandable. If the French were in charge of US security, we'd have issues with base, weapon, and troop placement as well (no offense to the French just making a point).

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by rhys

Only if they were your missiles. The Japanese are extremely sensitive about US bases and grow more so as time goes on. I think this is perfectly understandable. If the French were in charge of US security, we'd have issues with base, weapon, and troop placement as well (no offense to the French just making a point).

No and the French have an awful lot to say on US Military deployment considering their existence as a Nation was only restablished grace of US Military intervention. I can understand following recent treachery that US has misgivings about France as one of its Allies.

[Drewbert]

If you have the patriots too close to the launch point, by the time you've reacted to the launch, the missile's flown over the patriot system (because it's target is presumably half way down the Japanese Islands, rather than the north point) and the patriot has to catch up with the missile, then get in front of it to explode.

If the patriots are on the far side, it's easier for the patriot to plot the course of the missile and get in front of it.

That's my guess, anywho.

France is a terrorist nation, BTW (Just like "shock and awe" USA).

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by Drewbert

If you have the patriots too close to the launch point, by the time you've reacted to the launch, the missile's flown over the patriot system (because it's target is presumably half way down the Japanese Islands, rather than the north point) and the patriot has to catch up with the missile, then get in front of it to explode.

If the patriots are on the far side, it's easier for the patriot to plot the course of the missile and get in front of it.

That's my guess, anywho.

France is a terrorist nation, BTW (Just like "shock and awe" USA).

I understand what you are saying about being too close, but I think looking at the map Okinawa is still a bizarre choice.

Well assuming the missile has to be in the air before you can have any idea how to react, as you need to plot its initial course before you can attempt to determine an intersection point, I would suggest it would make sense to have the missiles at least a smaller distance from potential targets to the enemies launch site.

The logical military solution of course is the premptive stike.

[touchring]

Perhaps, the Patriot is to defend Hawaii or Guam. How far is Guam from Japan?

It doesn't make much sense for them to bomb Japan especially when there are so many pro-chosun Koreans living in Japan and sending money over.

Moving the Patriots to Okinawa in this sense will be a defensive move.

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by touchring

Perhaps, the Patriot is to defend Hawaii or Guam. How far is Guam from Japan?

That would make sense. We had US early warning systems in the UK for many years.

The primary purpose was to provide information for defense systems on the East Coast of the USA. That isn't quite the slant that was put on it when it was sold to the British Public. In fact it didn't come out for another 50 years when the system was finally deactivated.

[touchring]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

That would make sense. We had US early warning systems in the UK for many years.

The primary purpose was to provide information for defense systems on the East Coast of the USA. That isn't quite the slant that was put on it when it was sold to the British Public. In fact it didn't come out for another 50 years when the system was finally deactivated.

Yes, i think they are going to do target practice if the missile goes over Japan like the last time, and they are in good position to catch it from Okinawa. If they hit it, i'm sure it will be all over CNN, and if they do not, they might just try and hide the whole matter.

[blastfromthepast]

Originally Posted by rhys

Only if they were your missiles. The Japanese are extremely sensitive about US bases and grow more so as time goes on. I think this is perfectly understandable. If the French were in charge of US security, we'd have issues with base, weapon, and troop placement as well (no offense to the French just making a point).

Nobody wants foreign troops on their soil. I you are an American and ever visit South Korea, you'll know how hated Americans are just for keeping tropps there. It's the same all over the world no matter who's army is standing and where it is.

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by blastfromthepast

Nobody wants foreign troops on their soil. I you are an American and ever visit South Korea, you'll know how hated Americans are just for keeping tropps there. It's the same all over the world no matter who's army is standing and where it is.

Well I worked 18 months for Korean Company, I never heard anything said against the US. What I did observe was that dressed as and copied American culture on every possible occassion and their favourite dish apart from all the pickled cabbage was SPAM.

[blastfromthepast]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

Well I worked 18 months for Korean Company, I never heard anything said against the US. What I did observe was that dressed as and copied American culture on every possible occassion and their favourite dish apart from all the pickled cabbage was SPAM.

Maybe because you aren't an American?

http://freekorea.blogspot.com/2006/0...kick-them.html

http://www.usinkorea.org/videos/new/protest_song.htm

[Drewbert]

>Nobody wants foreign troops on their soil.

Exactly.

I recall a conversation I had with someone. They were complaining about the Mexican Army trucking in supplies to help Katrina victims. He was all "we're proud americans! we take care of our own problems! We don't need help from Mexico".

My "Well, I guess you're beginning to realise how the Iraqi's feel" comment shut him up real quick.

[bramiozo]

Originally Posted by blastfromthepast

Maybe because you aren't an American?

http://freekorea.blogspot.com/2006/0...kick-them.html

http://www.usinkorea.org/videos/new/protest_song.htm

Most recently, the far-left Korean Teachers' and Educational Worker's Union produced this viciously anti-American "educational" film for the kiddies in Pusan, before President Bush's arrival for the G-8 Summit. One sequence shows the planes striking the World Trade Center on 9/11, with "What a Wonderful World" playing in the background.

This mindset goes far beyond the reach of culpability of the US, this is opportunistic propaganda that stretches the globe. Movements from left-to-right wing pointing their fingers towards the US, shouting in unison with the masses they want to win for themselves.

This is truly repulsive, I thought people in my country were simpleminded and ignorant because of the omnipresent oil-nwo bullshit when it comes to americans but this is so far beyond the rethorical crap from Moore or Jones, this is pure hate, hate with a motive. I bet there are people who condone this just as there were people who condoned the attacks on 9/11 and 3/11 based on the false argument that this "is a logical result".

Originally Posted by Drewbert

>Nobody wants foreign troops on their soil.

Exactly.

I recall a conversation I had with someone. They were complaining about the Mexican Army trucking in supplies to help Katrina victims. He was all "we're proud americans! we take care of our own problems! We don't need help from Mexico".

My "Well, I guess you're beginning to realise how the Iraqi's feel" comment shut him up real quick.

The difference being that the Iraqi's did need help .

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by bramiozo

The difference being that the Iraqi's did need help .

So did the people of New Orleans, but they didn't get much until the politicians stopped bickering over whose fault it was. The Mexicans obviously realised there was a power vacuum and moved in to stablise the situation!