Russian domainers angry at Snapnames - Page 3 - IDN Forums

strah · #41 (**permalink**) 24th July 2006, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by burnsinternet

We do use native speakers when we can. We also use other resources.

My Russian IDNs get high traffic now and the traffic is increasing every week. I think there is room for all of us to do well with IDN.com and .ru, also. However, .ru is very expensive to me.

It not traffic, is a comedy film. For $300 in Russia it is possible to buy a good site which will have attendance of 1000 hosts in day (30000 in a month) Or 3 bad sites which will have on 1000 visitors in day everyone.

Explorer · #42 (**permalink**) 24th July 2006, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by networker

Ditto, also, why is it your concern that the "Stupid, fat, American suckers" are registering even poor quality names? It doesn't affect you, and if the names are as poor quality as you make them out to be, than you wouldn't want them anyhow.

If you're a nationalist who worries about non-natives butchering the Russian language, well - there are some horrendous ASCII names registered by people from all over the world - including Russia!

We are all confused, as none of the domains he mentioned in his first post is registered. They are indeed low quality names and they are all free.

touchring · #43 (**permalink**) 24th July 2006, 11:08 AM

JC? American or Russian, which side? :p

strah · #44 (**permalink**) 24th July 2006, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

This time next year prices will be much higher than now.

IDN is as shares.
There will be good news of the price will go upwards. There will be bad news, the prices will go downwards.

Rubber Duck · #45 (**permalink**) 24th July 2006, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by strah

It not traffic, is a comedy film. For $300 in Russia it is possible to buy a good site which will have attendance of 1000 hosts in day (30000 in a month) Or 3 bad sites which will have on 1000 visitors in day everyone.

Maybe so, the Russian Internet is still in its infancy. What is clear though is that all the Latin transliterations of russian word ASCII domains will be replaced. IDN will not catch on without browser support. It may even need the .RU ccTLD to support it in IDN.IDN. It is possible that IDN.com won't be worth as much as IDN.RU, although my guess is that it will. What is indisputable is that IDN is the future in Russia, whether you and others can see it or not. Russian ASCII domains will be consigned to the scrap heap of history.

burnsinternet · #46 (**permalink**) 24th July 2006, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by strah

It not traffic, is a comedy film. For $300 in Russia it is possible to buy a good site which will have attendance of 1000 hosts in day (30000 in a month) Or 3 bad sites which will have on 1000 visitors in day everyone.

Я не понимаю

Rubber Duck · #47 (**permalink**) 24th July 2006, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by strah

IDN is as shares.
There will be good news of the price will go upwards. There will be bad news, the prices will go downwards.

That will may be so but if you look at the Dow or FT index since they first started, there has been a lot more up than down. All downs have only ever been temporary set backs.

Take ASCII domains same pattern, but 100 years growth compressed into 10 years.

With IDN once it is clear to the wider market what is happening prices will move much more rapidly than with ASCII. ASCII had to feel its way, IDN will just be benchmarked against ASCII.

burnsinternet · #48 (**permalink**) 24th July 2006, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by strah

IDN is as shares.
There will be good news of the price will go upwards. There will be bad news, the prices will go downwards.

Есть ли у Вас...?

strah · #49 (**permalink**) 24th July 2006, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by burnsinternet

Я не понимаю

It's not traffic, it's a comedy film. For $300 in Russia it is possible to buy a good site which will have attendance of 1000 hosts in day (30000 in a month) Or 3 bad sites which will have on 1000 visitors in day everyone.

Rubber Duck · #50 (**permalink**) 24th July 2006, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by strah

It's not traffic, it's a comedy film. For $300 in Russia it is possible to buy a good site which will have attendance of 1000 hosts in day (30000 in a month) Or 3 bad sites which will have on 1000 visitors in day everyone.

Perhaps others realise that these domains are going to be junk real soon!

Explorer · #51 (**permalink**) 24th July 2006, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by touchring

JC? American or Russian, which side? :p

If you re-read strah's first post, you'll check and see that none of the domains he mentioned is registered, making all his points worthless.

strah · #52 (**permalink**) 24th July 2006, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

Russian ASCII domains will be consigned to the scrap heap of history.

If to touch nothing, allwill be so. Can in 5 years, can through 10. But there are some things which can to change a situation radically:
1) The Russian government. (it is sometimes unpredictable)
2) Microsoft
3) Yandex
4) Google
5) Russian mentality
6) That fact, that the majority of tasty names is already occupied non-russian, extremely will have a negative effect on development of a zone, penetration of Russian sites in idn.com will be very slow. Qualitative sites should
To penetrate into a zone the first (as it was with zone COM and RU)
And only then domaners and speculators, but not on another!
Look at a zone eu - it is frozen. there are no qualitative sites except for europa.eu and eurid.eu till now . Why? There was too much spekulators...

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Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

Perhaps others realise that these domains are going to be junk real soon!

Such moods in Russia are not present. A web publishers very much love zone RU, and they are rather conservative

burnsinternet · #53 (**permalink**) 24th July 2006, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by strah

If to touch nothing, allwill be so. Can in 5 years, can through 10. But there are some things which can to change a situation radically:
1) The Russian government. (it is sometimes unpredictable)
2) Microsoft
3) Yandex
4) Google
5) Russian mentality
6) That fact, that the majority of tasty names is already occupied non-russian, extremely will have a negative effect on development of a zone, penetration of Russian sites in idn.com will be very slow. Qualitative sites should
To penetrate into a zone the first (as it was with zone COM and RU)
And only then domaners and speculators, but not on another!
Look at a zone eu - it is frozen. there are no qualitative sites except for europa.eu and eurid.eu till now . Why? There was too much spekulators...

You are correct. I think (6) is the most important, but it is different than .eu because it is not a new extension. I believe we will be OK. I hope so!

strah · #54 (**permalink**) 24th July 2006, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Explorer

If you re-read strah's first post, you'll check and see that none of the domains he mentioned is registered, making all his points worthless.

You are right. Now they for any reasons are free. They were released 19-07-2006. But when I placed the message
On domenforum.net - 21.07.2006 they have already been again borrowed, otherwise me quickly would expose...

networker · #55 (**permalink**) 24th July 2006, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by strah

You are right. Now they for any reasons are free. They were released 19-07-2006. But when I placed the message
On domenforum.net - 21.07.2006 they have already been again borrowed, otherwise me quickly would expose...

Welcome to the world of domain drops - all ASCII domains, and a lot of IDN domains are AUTOMATICALLY registered to test the traffic, and deleted within the grace period if they don't have traffic.

strah · #56 (**permalink**) 24th July 2006, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by burnsinternet

You are correct. I think (6) is the most important, but it is different than .eu because it is not a new extension. I believe we will be OK. I hope so!

A think that the most imortant 3 ( Yandex - the most popular se in russia)
They will not add complete support IDN while in a zone enough of qualitative and interesting sites idn.com will not appear. Qualitative and interesting sites will not appear, yet there will be no support of search systems. It is a vicious circle

strah · #57 (**permalink**) 24th July 2006, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by networker

Welcome to the world of domain drops - all ASCII domains, and a lot of IDN domains are AUTOMATICALLY registered to test the traffic, and deleted within the grace period if they don't have traffic.

You are similar right. This implies that among idners is not present "америкосы"

Rubber Duck · #58 (**permalink**) 24th July 2006, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by networker

Welcome to the world of domain drops - all ASCII domains, and a lot of IDN domains are AUTOMATICALLY registered to test the traffic, and deleted within the grace period if they don't have traffic.

Well at least Strah and Snapnames concur on what is junk.

They may not just be traffic testing. Other criteria could be invoked, such as Yandex, Google or Overture.

Number one is significant, which is one reason that there will always be a place for dot Com.

It may well be that Yandex is having difficulty getting up to speed. Well they had better get their act together or Google will take them down.

Microsofts work is nearly done, no real worries there.

burnsinternet · #59 (**permalink**) 24th July 2006, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by strah

A think that the most imortant 3 ( Yandex - the most popular se in russia)
They will not add complete support IDN while in a zone enough of qualitative and interesting sites idn.com will not appear. Qualitative and interesting sites will not appear, yet there will be no support of search systems. It is a vicious circle

I have several domains in development. I hope Yandex likes them!

blastfromthepast · #60 (**permalink**) 24th July 2006, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by strah

As for me,I have small, nice portfolio of russian idns.
It is easy for me to develop them, as Russian native for me. But I have stopped to register them, because at Russian idn it is too much problems now.

That is very good news. Thank you for not registering more domains.

There is only one chance to get a name. You have decided to let others, including myself, register the remaining. Thank you.