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Old 26th July 2006, 02:49 PM
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Re: Can you Beat out Rick Swartz Top 50 ?

I think a handful of his domains probably make that much together, e.g. porno.com, ass.com etc.

And that's why comparing real ASCII revenue names with "potential" IDNs is frankly laughable TODAY.

In 2-3 years time, if the traffic and bids and CTRs and everything increase like we HOPE they will i.e. multiplying the revenue of some IDNs by 100s of times, it's a subject worth revisiting for sure, but right now there's no solid proof that's going to happen. I believe things will continue to get better - I'm heavily invested in IDN on that basis, after all - but I don't believe that it's possible to compare IDNs with zero real revenue with ASCII super-generics earning $xxx-xx,xxx a day.
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Re: Can you Beat out Rick Swartz Top 50 ?

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One name makes $10,000 a day?

Can't imagine any name that makes $10,000 a day, other than sex.com or poker.com.

I doubt that even all the close to a million IDNs combined can make $10,000 a day.
If you factor in all the .de IDN's, I think you might be surprised.
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Re: Can you Beat out Rick Swartz Top 50 ?

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If you factor in all the .de IDN's, I think you might be surprised.
Base on the traffic and ads in China, if I take the average of fairly good and very good domains', I only need 200k domains to generate $10,000 a day.

Remember traffic of IDN will increase, and ads will pay more too.
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Old 26th July 2006, 05:28 PM
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Re: Can you Beat out Rick Swartz Top 50 ?

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If you factor in all the .de IDN's, I think you might be surprised.

Possible, .de idn will have as much PPC than all of .com and .net combined.

My suspicion is that all of .com and .net will barely reach $10k a day. Assuming that Netster's 25k generic portfolio brings in $100k a month, we're still $200k short of $300k.

But, anyway, show me proof! :p

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Re: Can you Beat out Rick Swartz Top 50 ?

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Base on the traffic and ads in China, if I take the average of fairly good and very good domains', I only need 200k domains to generate $10,000 a day.

Remember traffic of IDN will increase, and ads will pay more too.
Sorry, my recalculation showed I only need 50k domains to generate $10,000 a day.

This calculation is base on my (middle) average domains and my best-performed domains.
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Re: Can you Beat out Rick Swartz Top 50 ?

I think we should study his actions.
We are in the same situation he was in back then...
But in Multiple languages...
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Re: Can you Beat out Rick Swartz Top 50 ?

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I think we should study his actions.
We are in the same situation he was in back then...
But in Multiple languages...

Maybe someone can seek his advice. I know he can be found on DomainState.
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Re: Can you Beat out Rick Swartz Top 50 ?

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Re: Can you Beat out Rick Swartz Top 50 ?

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In 2-3 years time, if the traffic and bids and CTRs and everything increase like we HOPE they will i.e. multiplying the revenue of some IDNs by 100s of times, it's a subject worth revisiting for sure, but right now there's no solid proof that's going to happen. I believe things will continue to get better - I'm heavily invested in IDN on that basis, after all - but I don't believe that it's possible to compare IDNs with zero real revenue with ASCII super-generics earning $xxx-xx,xxx a day.
2-3 years forward. The price of IDN? Well, I guess most of those with good portfolios won't need to sell to have a very good standard of living indeed by then. If they haven't needed to sell by then, the chances of prizing away their precious IDN for less than a King's ransom are going to be very remote.

It is not the current value of IDN or indeed the future value of IDN that is important here. It is knowing when to buy. For the average small time speculator, the window for which he has the remotest hope of buying anything vaguely interesting in either the primary or secondary markets is rapidly closing. Of course it also needs to be recognised that most will miss the boat totally, including probably in the most meaningful sense, the vast majority of those that have signed on here as members.

For those that don't want to sell or those that are not in a position to buy, speculation relating to future prices will be largely semantics.
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Re: Can you Beat out Rick Swartz Top 50 ?

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Sorry, my recalculation showed I only need 50k domains to generate $10,000 a day.

This calculation is base on my (middle) average domains and my best-performed domains.

Whatever, actual figures aren't important. What is important is that PPC is important for the future growth of idns. We can't just say, hey i got XXXXX, this is worth a million dollars in the future.

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IDNs with zero real revenue with ASCII super-generics earning $xxx-xx,xxx a day.
Many idns got good revenue though. One of these days, i'll write a tell it all report - or maybe someone else will have the grace to write it. Meanwhile, i got lots of catchup work to do. :p

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Re: Can you Beat out Rick Swartz Top 50 ?

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Sorry, my recalculation showed I only need 50k domains to generate $10,000 a day.

This calculation is base on my (middle) average domains and my best-performed domains.
Does this number include the $29,000 / month average registration fees?
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Re: Can you Beat out Rick Swartz Top 50 ?

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Does this number include the $29,000 / month average registration fees?

$10,000/day x 30 days = $300,000

There's still a profit of $271,000 after the $29,000 registration fee.
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Re: Can you Beat out Rick Swartz Top 50 ?

Where is my head?

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Old 26th July 2006, 07:04 PM
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Re: Can you Beat out Rick Swartz Top 50 ?

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Many idns got good revenue though. One of these days, i'll write a tell it all report - or maybe someone else will have the grace to write it. Meanwhile, i got lots of catchup work to do. :p
Nah, some day pay someone to write the report for you and sell copies for $19.99.
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Old 26th July 2006, 07:13 PM
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Huh? $19? It's just one line ->

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Re: Can you Beat out Rick Swartz Top 50 ?

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For the average small time speculator, the window for which he has the remotest hope of buying anything vaguely interesting in either the primary or secondary markets is rapidly closing.
Very true. Even if you registered lots of nice idns at reg fee, I would consider making your last efforts in the secondary market. With some persistence you can still find "deals".

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