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Old 27th July 2006, 03:32 PM
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russian localization Firefox 2.0 beta1 and IDN

Today has established last firefox 2.0 beta 1 (Russian). IDN addresses in Russian for some reason
Turn in punycod... It is sad as firefox will be popular in our country.
Somebody knows why so occurs and whether will be in the full version firefox 2.0 display
idn addresses like terrible punycod?
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Old 27th July 2006, 03:47 PM
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Re: russian localization Firefox 2.0 beta1 and IDN

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Today has established last firefox 2.0 beta 1 (Russian). IDN addresses in Russian for some reason
Turn in punycod... It is sad as firefox will be popular in our country.
Somebody knows why so occurs and whether will be in the full version firefox 2.0 display
idn addresses like terrible punycod?
You just have to find the Option to turn on the Unicode.

I think FF have made a major marketing blunder doing this particularly for the non-English versions, but it would seem that US ego-centric paranoia is present even here.
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Re: russian localization Firefox 2.0 beta1 and IDN

Yes. They have it arse-backwards for the Russian version. It should only turn to punycode if there are plain ASCII characters in the hostname portion of the URL.
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Re: russian localization Firefox 2.0 beta1 and IDN

Firefox is open-source: if you don't think something's right, contact the developers; or even better, write your own patch for it. There's no point bitching here saying they have their arse-backwards, when you could instead be contributing to the project, or at the very least notify the developers of this problem.
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Re: russian localization Firefox 2.0 beta1 and IDN

I'm #36 on the spreadfirefox top 250 chart. And that's just the current week's chart. 78,500 downloads from my sites, total.

So I'm a contributor, in my own little way.
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Re: russian localization Firefox 2.0 beta1 and IDN

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Firefox is open-source: if you don't think something's right, contact the developers; or even better, write your own patch for it. There's no point bitching here saying they have their arse-backwards, when you could instead be contributing to the project, or at the very least notify the developers of this problem.
Yes, the other thing is that Firefox had it right until they took a well publicised decision under pressure from the anti-phishing maniacs, who have yet to understand that IDN will on balance help to avoid this deception globally, if not specfically within the US, to implement changes that would bugger everything up and substantially make the current downloads pretty much worthless. What is the point of informing them of something that they are not only aware of but hopefully deeply shameful of?
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Re: russian localization Firefox 2.0 beta1 and IDN

Drewbert, as you consider, whether there will be a complete support in Russian final version FireFox 2.0
Russian idn.com and idn.ru ? Or fears of developers because of IDN spoofing
(Russian letters У К Е Х О Р А В С М Т), will kill idea of use Russian idn.com for development of sites by end users?
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Drewbert, as you consider, whether there will be a complete support in Russian final version FireFox 2.0
Russian idn.com and idn.ru ? Or fears of developers because of IDN spoofing
(Russian letters У К Е Х О Р А В С М Т), will kill idea of use Russian idn.com for development of sites by end users?
Support by a minority browser, Firefox, and development of sites by end users, have nothing in common.
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Support by a minority browser, Firefox, and development of sites by end users, have nothing in common.
Yes, this is just more mischief making.

For people from Asia the biggest problem with spoofing is having to cope with unfamiliar words in unfamiliar scripts. The phishing argument has largely been put forward by a load of ego-centric ASCII owners with zenophobic tendancies. Phishing is a problem, but it is not specific to IDN, although there was an opportunity to exploit the much greater numbers of characters for that purpose, there is little evidence that most phishing has been done this way. Often it has been achieved by just using ccTLDs instead of dot coms, or even Typos.

Microsoft have gone to great lenghts over the Phishing Risk as have ICANN, which is one of the reasons that we have all had to wait so long. In purely economic terms the delays have far outweighed any damage that might have been done by the phishers.
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Re: russian localization Firefox 2.0 beta1 and IDN

If Opera+FireFox (up to 25 % of Russian users in the long term) will hide punycode from the user, and IE7 will not be, for the end user already there is a sense in development of a site. Let it will be not the basic site, but the satellite can quite be. blastfromthepast, will you be confident that final russian version IE7 to hide punycod from users? I do not have access to IE7, but some users betta versions complain that instead of Russian addresses see punycode...
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Re: russian localization Firefox 2.0 beta1 and IDN

This topic is being discussed in this thread:

http://forum.mozilla-russia.org/view...p?id=11355&p=5
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Re: russian localization Firefox 2.0 beta1 and IDN

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If Opera+FireFox (up to 25 % of Russian users in the long term) will hide punycode from the user, and IE7 will not be, for the end user already there is a sense in development of a site. Let it will be not the basic site, but the satellite can quite be. blastfromthepast, will you be confident that final russian version IE7 to hide punycod from users? I do not have access to IE7, but some users betta versions complain that instead of Russian addresses see punycode...
In IE 7 Beta 3, it is moronically simple.

Input strange Unicode and an Information Bar comes up below the Tabs. It tells you haven't installed that language and the tells you to click there for options. It then takes you into the Language Preference dialogue box where it simply allows you to add your language.

The purpose of this is that only characters sets you have allowed come up. If you are Russian you can probably delete Latin so you are not spoofed by some tosser from the US, if you wish.

How difficult is that. I expect they even write the instructions in Russian for you.
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