HELL NO for Indian IDNs

[Rubber Duck]

No, the basic point is that Englishisation never really happened in the way that most people assume.

To give you some idea how this works. Take Algeria. At home everyone spoke Arabic. At work everything was done in French.

In the 1980's the government decided that French was not as useful as English, so they decided that the business language would swap from French to English and that instead of intructing in French all schools would convert to English as soon as possible.

Which language will they access the Internet in English or French? Well of course the answer is neither!

[kartik786]

Id rather buy the .in domain or the .co.in domains..

Like khabar.in .. the news domain IDN that you own on is pronounced as Khabar and that will be more popular than the IDN ...

Akhbar.com ... means newspaper ... You can have a variant to khabar as akhbar .... India has soo many languages.. I hear former prime minister VP singh used to speak about 35 langauges .... the choice is yours though... Hindi marathi tamil bangla urdu sanskrit.. the same words can be said in soo many different ways...

Maa , aai , aama, baa <== used to call " MOM " .

Ill end the discussion here.. Wise ones know whats best for them

[touchring]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

No, the basic point is that Englishisation never really happened in the way that most people assume.

To give you some idea how this works. Take Algeria. At home everyone spoke Arabic. At work everything was done in French.

In the 1980's the government decided that French was not as useful as English, so they decided that the business language would swap from French to English and that instead of intructing in French all schools would convert to English as soon as possible.

Which language will they access the Internet in English or French? Well of course the answer is neither!

Well, it's all about global power, currently, the power is in the Anglo world, so naturally everyone is learning English in school. This paradigm might shift - it is already shifting, you can't maintain global power and forefront expertise without the factories! It's already happening, IBM PC, Siemens Mobile, Rover, one by one.

First, they will make cheap parts for you (oem outsourcing) - you will transfer some lesser technology to make those parts, next, they will try and sell their own local brands, after that, they will export their brands, next, they will take over your brands (those low margin brands that you dispose because they are unprofitable), and last, with that market reach and hr obtained from the low margin brands, they start selling high margin goods.

Now india is completely dependent on anglo outsourcing - this is easy and quick money with minimal investment (just internet connection, table, chair and PC), but at the same time, extremely risky. A good Indian government will address this over dependency issue on just a single market.

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by touchring

Well, it's all about global power, currently, the power is in the Anglo world, so naturally everyone is learning English in school. This paradigm might shift - it is already shifting, you can't maintain global power and forefront expertise without the factories!

Yes, but all this is to miss the point. It is the language people use when they relax that is important. The girl from the Call Centre may speak excellent English on the phone, but what language does she use when she is on a drink break or meal break, at home with her family? It is that which will determine which she will go shopping in.

[a2zofb2b]

Originally Posted by kartik786

Trust me guys, dont waste you money on these Hindi IDN's .

PS : These are just my views and you might want to laugh on it.. but its what I feel as an indian.

Kartik,
Your post call for a good debate and validation of why some of us have registered Hindi IDN's .
To your point, best hindi IDN's are all registered, hence there is no point registering junk ones.

Indian IDNs are still speculative buys and before Hinidi IDNs get popular the Hindi search needs be be popular.

There are many reasons for Hindi searches are not popular
1) Not all regional sites are unicode encoded.
2) Although, google may show lot of results for keyword most of them are not useful.
3) Major search engines (http://content.msn.co.in/Hindi/Default, http://www.google.com/intl/hi/ do not have friendly search interface .

What if they major sites start migrating to Unicode encoding and major search engine starts introducing better search Interface like
http://www.raftaar.com/


Would your opinion change?

(We get 100 page views and about 25 -50 searches per day with our mediocre interface at www.Hindi.co.in ).

[drbiohealth]

This is bound to happen. That's the reason why Americans have slowly but surely started to learn Chinese. No wonders!

Originally Posted by touchring

For all you know, with China taking over the world's manufacturing infrastructure, in 50 years, people everywhere will be learning chinese instead of english, the same with India.

[bwhhisc]

Originally Posted by drbiohealth

This is bound to happen. That's the reason why Americans have slowly but surely started to learn Chinese. No wonders!

Slowly is a good term. I already got these two down pat just hanging around here! 房产 and 房地产

On a serious note, that is very true that international languages have become of much importance in schools here.

[blastfromthepast]

Originally Posted by bwhhisc

Slowly is a good term. I already got these two down pat just hanging around here! 房产 and 房地产

On a serious note, that is very true that international languages have become of much importance in schools here.

Seriously, hanging around with IDNs makes you slowly learn the language itself.

I'm sure most of you would by now find yourself walking around Tokyo or Beijing and you would say wow! I know what that means, even though you had not idea how to pronounce it or write it.

[IDNCowboy]

Originally Posted by blastfromthepast

Seriously, hanging around with IDNs makes you slowly learn the language itself.

I'm sure most of you would by now find yourself walking around Tokyo or Beijing and you would say wow! I know what that means, even though you had not idea how to pronounce it or write it.

they should do a model domain selling business in high school to teach foreign languages

play with fake $ and get ppl to recognize the words by trading/selling idns :P

After a while people will know how to read it

[bwhhisc]

Originally Posted by blastfromthepast

Seriously, hanging around with IDNs makes you slowly learn the language itself. I'm sure most of you would by now find yourself walking around Tokyo or Beijing and you would say wow! I know what that means, even though you had not idea how to pronounce it or write it.

And don't forget Taipei! 台北

[burnsinternet]

I know that some of us actuallly make $$ on Hindi, etc. IDNs.

kartik786, I have only one ASCII.IN domain. It is a killer name. Not one view. Not one click. Ever.

[touchring]

Originally Posted by bwhhisc

Slowly is a good term. I already got these two down pat just hanging around here! 房产 and 房地产

On a serious note, that is very true that international languages have become of much importance in schools here.

Gee, i wonder how you people recognize foriegn characters. I can never recognize my arabic idns - have to refer to my excel every time. Sometimes, different arabic idns look the same even though they are different.

[a2zofb2b]

Originally Posted by burnsinternet

I know that some of us actuallly make $$ on Hindi, etc. IDNs.

kartik786, I have only one ASCII.IN domain. It is a killer name. Not one view. Not one click. Ever.

I am curious to find out who makes $$ on hindi IDNS.
(Unless namedrive pages are being indexed on google for that domain)

ASCII.IN will take few more years.
We have parked some of our ASCII.co.in and we make $$/month on few of them and our CTR is atleast 33% on all ASCII.co.in.

[drbiohealth]

I had loads of pretty decent .in domains. Same scene, no traffic on them even though we all know that internet in India as of now is all "English". I sold them them off except a few of them. The biggest problem I have with .in and co.in domains is that both these extensions are on equal footings "memory recall" wise.

Originally Posted by burnsinternet

kartik786, I have only one ASCII.IN domain. It is a killer name. Not one view. Not one click. Ever.

[a2zofb2b]

Originally Posted by drbiohealth

I had loads of pretty decent .in domains. Same scene, no traffic on them even though we all know that internet in India as of now is all "English". I sold them them off except a few of them. The biggest problem I have with .in and co.in domains is that both these extensions are on equal footings "memory recall" wise.

Rajesh,
I do not agree with you.
Currently, .co.in has strong "memory recall" value .

Both .in & .co.in are getting more popular.

Of the top 1000 Indian sites listed in Ranking.com
100+ are .com
250+ .co.in
300+ .in (some companies have changed thier .co.in sites to .in)
50+ .gov.in
(no wonder, wot gets close to 45,000+ visitors on his gov.co.in)
100+ .ac.in

[OldIDNer]

I agree, my experience shows ascii co.in does perform better than .in though both are doing better

wot sure got some hellacious .co.ins!

[touchring]

Originally Posted by a2zofb2b

Rajesh,
I do not agree with you.
Currently, .co.in has strong "memory recall" value .

Both .in & .co.in are getting more popular.

Of the top 1000 Indian sites listed in Ranking.com
100+ are .com
250+ .co.in
300+ .in (some companies have changed thier .co.in sites to .in)
50+ .gov.in
(no wonder, wot gets close to 45,000+ visitors on his gov.co.in)
100+ .ac.in

Wow! 45,000 views on gov.co.in, this really puts idn into shame. That's why we should always look beyond just one type of domain. There are gems everywhere!

[mulligan]

A few of the .in & .co.in's I have -- Traffic? More people visit the top of सगरमाथा than visit these... They're not the best but not the worst either...

Intrestingly I expect to lose my sexlife.in shortly as I read somewhere (Hindustan Times?) that it was a blunder on the behalf of the registry to allow .in 'sex' names... What truth there is in this I dont know as I see sex.in is still registered to its original owner...

clubhouse.in
paise.co.in
sexlife.in
girltalk.in
boytalk.in
cricketline.in
worldcricket.in
leverage.co.in
highlife.in
postgrad.in
postgraduate.in
blushingbride.in
moneymarket.co.in
moneymarkets.co.in
cashfast.in
marketprice.in
gains.in
returns.in
leverage.in
overdraft.in
telcom.in
italk.in
echat.in
capitalgains.in
guidebook.in
housecall.in
marketforce.in
marketforces.in

[OldIDNer]

Originally Posted by touchring

Wow! 45,000 views on gov.co.in, this really puts idn into shame. That's why we should always look beyond just one type of domain. There are gems everywhere!

best to diversify - always aiming for top names...