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Old 31st July 2006, 08:52 PM
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Progress of Sorts

Well OK it is a provisional figure still but earnings for July for my Japanese Portfolio are standing at $19.97, which is up on $12.35 for June and $3.96 for May.

These are not World changing amounts, but at least things are going in the right direction!
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Re: Progress of Sorts

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Well OK it is a provisional figure still but earnings for July for my Japanese Portfolio are standing at $19.97, which is up on $12.35 for June and $3.96 for May.

These are not World changing amounts, but at least things are going in the right direction!
Thanks for sharing.
Do you feel that forwarding had something to do with it or it's just natural increase in type-ins?
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How long have you had them parked? Did you park them in May or before then?
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Re: Progress of Sorts

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Do you feel that forwarding had something to do with it or it's just natural increase in type-ins?
No, I don't feel that forwarding has had anything to do with things. To date we have done little more than prove that Indexing with Google and Yahoo is possible. I have in recent days done quite a bit more work to refine things to try to get some improvement in page ranking. Some of the increase will be due to using higher paying keywords, at the cost of CTR. However, this will be to some extent reversed as in order to attempt to use the SEO benefits of the domain, we are going to be using more natural keywords. Hopefully this will be more than offset with higher traffic, but who knows?

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How long have you had them parked? Did you park them in May or before then?
Not really sure on that, the right answer is probably some of them.
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Re: Progress of Sorts

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Well OK it is a provisional figure still but earnings for July for my Japanese Portfolio are standing at $19.97, which is up on $12.35 for June and $3.96 for May.

These are not World changing amounts, but at least things are going in the right direction!
for a "not such an impressive japanese idn portfolio"(compared to other markets) which you have claimed in the past :P it is doin quite well.
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for a "not such an impressive japanese idn portfolio"(compared to other markets) which you have claimed in the past :P it is doin quite well.
Well the difference is that we have been able to average 50 cents a click in Japan as compared with 2-6 cents elsewhere. Consequently there has been a little bit more thought gone into Japan, but it still a long way behind Arabic and Chinese and even Farsi is performing better in many respects.
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Re: Progress of Sorts

So with the month of July pretty much closed, I have the following summary of my Japanese .com and .net portfolio.

#Domains 565
Asian only traffic 600
Clicks 77
CTR 12.8%
PPC 32 cents
Total for July $24.27
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So with the month of July pretty much closed, I have the following summary of my Japanese .com and .net portfolio.
#Domains 565
Asian only traffic 600
Clicks 77
CTR 12.8%
PPC 32 cents
Total for July $24.27
HERE'S OURS- no keywords entered, or settings chosen. We just put them over to Namedrive last month
so this is our first full month of revenue for Japanese only:
1408 Views
Clicks 63
CTR 4.7%
PPC .23 cents
Total for July $ 14.33

Anyone have ideas on settings to get higher click amounts, or catagories that seem to attract more "clicks"?
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Re: Progress of Sorts

Ok I'll share

Added mine last month too.

#Domains 556
Asian only traffic
Views 600
Clicks 81
CTR 25.31%
PPC 38 cents
Total for July $31.03

My percentages are skewed a bit because of Adult domains & 68 Regular domains.

But do note that even if you don't optimize nameDrive is taking the keyword without extension as the default keyword. I think that Alph suggested this.

This is pennies compared to what our portfolios will look like after they fix the indexing issue.
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Re: Progress of Sorts

Japanese

Domains 29
Views 71
Clicks 2
CTR 2.82%
PPC .15
Total for July $0.29

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Re: Progress of Sorts

Interesting. Here's mine...

#Domains 2,119
Asian only traffic
Views 889
Clicks 234
CTR 26.32%
PPC 26 cents
Total for July $60.03
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Re: Progress of Sorts

#Domains 149
Asian only traffic
Views 820
Clicks 193
CTR % 23.54
PPC US$ 0.19
Total for July US$ 37.28
PPC/Registration Cost Ratio: 0.37

Here's mine small folio.

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Re: Progress of Sorts

Heres mine.

Japanese, filtered by Asia. Vanilla settings. No keywords.

Views 297
Clicks 59
CTR 19.87%
PPC 21 cents
Total for July $12.52

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Re: Progress of Sorts

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HERE'S OURS- no keywords entered, or settings chosen. We just put them over to Namedrive last month
so this is our first full month of revenue for Japanese only:
1408 Views
Clicks 63
CTR 4.7%
PPC .23 cents
Total for July $ 14.33

Anyone have ideas on settings to get higher click amounts, or catagories that seem to attract more "clicks"?

Odd, CTR seems unsually low? Are these Asian views?
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Re: Progress of Sorts

Asian only traffic
Views 249
Clicks 70
CTR 28.11%
PPC 0.20
Total for July $13.71

Some keywords (not optimized), though many are the same as the domain name. I just set up masked forwarding with Japanese meta tags over the past few days, so I will be interested to see if the domains will be properly indexed and what effect that will have on traffic in the coming months.
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I have to say that I am bemused. It would seem to have been effectively proven here that Japanese traffic can be effectively monetized.

It is also clear that whilst Japanese traffic level remain very low, that the main reason for this is that lack of browser support, which is now only a matter of weeks away.

Why are people still prepared to pay more for Spamtastic.com than a good generic Japanese IDN. Anyone, who thinks I am an expert is completely wrong, because I have to say the market has got me totally baffled. I honestly thought people would be killing themselves to get on the IDN ladder at this stage.

I guess guys like Rick can afford to hang cool for a while yet though. 5 figure amounts are nothing to guys like this, if they see something they like. Also, you have to remember, domainers like Rick are not mega-organisations. They don't need to answer to Wall Street. They don't need a 20 year business plan. Frankly, they only have to please themselves. If getting to grips with markets in the Far East is just too much hassle, then they don't need to.

It is, however, important to remember that these guys came from nothing on the back of traffic. They haven't made money selling domains. Those that want to emulate them need to get in early as they did and make money from the traffic. Most of these guys bought before the revenue stream came on line, and if you want to succeed, then you must obtain a good solid portfolio, before the revenue streams are firmly established, because you sure as hell won't be able to afford one afterwards!
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Re: Progress of Sorts

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I have to say that I am bemused. It would seem to have been effectively proven here that Japanese traffic can be effectively monetized.

It is also clear that whilst Japanese traffic level remain very low, that the main reason for this is that lack of browser support, which is now only a matter of weeks away.

Why are people still prepared to pay more for Spamtastic.com than a good generic Japanese IDN. Anyone, who thinks I am an expert is completely wrong, because I have to say the market has got me totally baffled. I honestly thought people would be killing themselves to get on the IDN ladder at this stage.

I guess guys like Rick can afford to hang cool for a while yet though. 5 figure amounts are nothing to guys like this, if they see something they like. Also, you have to remember, domainers like Rick are not mega-organisations. They don't need to answer to Wall Street. They don't need a 20 year business plan. Frankly, they only have to please themselves. If getting to grips with markets in the Far East is just too much hassle, then they don't need to.

It is, however, important to remember that these guys came from nothing on the back of traffic. They haven't made money selling domains. Those that want to emulate them need to get in early as they did and make money from the traffic. Most of these guys bought before the revenue stream came on line, and if you want to succeed, then you must obtain a good solid portfolio, before the revenue streams are firmly established, because you sure as hell won't be able to afford one afterwards!
Well it's simple really. Either we are all fools collecting fools gold. Or they are all fools ignoring the 18k stuff.

BTW, spamtastic is taken in .com, .net, .org, .info. But if you are quick you may get yourself the .eu :p
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Re: Progress of Sorts

There's two camps.

1) the newbie

2) the ageing collector of IDN's


Newbies new on the scene feel obliged to pan for gold, why not - everyone else has? It will take them time to realise the gold has gone.

The ageing collector probably has "enough" idn's already. If what they have today won't make them rich in the future, then adding another one today probably won't make any difference.
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There's two camps.

1) the newbie

2) the ageing collector of IDN's


Newbies new on the scene feel obliged to pan for gold, why not - everyone else has? It will take them time to realise the gold has gone.

The ageing collector probably has "enough" idn's already. If what they have today won't make them rich in the future, then adding another one today probably won't make any difference.
Well, I agree with you there. Some Aging Collectors would be willing to sell a few for the same reasons. But clearly are not prepared to give them away.

The Newbies on the other hand are must have an understanding of the dynamics of the domain market. With the exception of the Indian Market, where there is still contraversy over the importance of IDN, most markets are getting pretty played out.

What needs to be understood is that although millions of domains are still available, 95% of the total value has already gone in most languages and certainly the more important and more lucrative languages.

I do not research domains anymore, and don't believe that most of the established players are actively looking. The reasons for this are not purely financial, but the rewards are just not there. I am not talking about financial rewards, because this was always as much an intellectual quest as a financial one. I mean that the buzz of finding a very mediocre name after hours of searching does not provide sufficient mental stimulus to motivate the established IDNer. It a bit like slogging all day in the garden just to end up with a pile of rocks and weeds.

Even in Hindi, things there cannot be that much left. I didn't get into the Hindi market to end up with names of a lot of obscure deities.
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Re: Progress of Sorts

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There's two camps.

1) the newbie

2) the ageing collector of IDN's


Newbies new on the scene feel obliged to pan for gold, why not - everyone else has? It will take them time to realise the gold has gone.

The ageing collector probably has "enough" idn's already. If what they have today won't make them rich in the future, then adding another one today probably won't make any difference.

There is still gold, not all is gone, but it has to be mined using huge cranes and drillers, the days in which people walk around and find 1 pound nuggets on the ground is over. But even with drillers, we only get 1 ounce nuggets after digging out 1000 tons of rocks. :p

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