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Old 25th January 2006, 09:22 PM
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Thumbs up Found out something kind of big for .cn

I was checking out my newspaper domain on a chinese register site. I did a whois look up and low and behold I own both versions of the name (simplified and traditional), when I only registered one. Actually according to them I own 4 versions for the price of one.

Proof that the system in chinese already uses idn.idn and already recognizes them

Domain Name: 报纸.中国 報紙.中国 報紙.cn 报纸.cn

The site is.

www.net.cn
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I own a couple of the IDN.IDN domains. When you register for those, you also get the traditional and simplified version, as well as the IDN.IDN.cn name.
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do you need to use a chinese registrar? If so, which chinese registrar do you recommend?

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is this only china?

Can you register for IDN.IDN in Japan too? Like 日本語。日本 If so where?!?!?
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Old 25th January 2006, 11:29 PM
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Can you register for IDN.IDN in Japan too? Like 日本語。日本 If so where?!?!?
That's the thing everyone is getting confused on. The .jp will automatically refresh to an idn once designated by icann. You will get this from just ordering the .jp or .com
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Can you register for IDN.IDN in Japan too? Like 日本語。日本 If so where?!?!?
I believe Sarcle registered the .cn and subsequently discovered that the .中国 has already been mapped to it at the registry.

So I'm guessing that if you have the .jp, the .日本 should be mapped to it in future. No need to do anything -- I hope!
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How can both the .jp and the .com map to IDN extensions? Or will one map to .日本 and the other one to .会社?
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Old 26th January 2006, 12:21 AM
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How can both the .jp and the .com map to IDN extensions? Or will one map to .日本 and the other one to .会社?
Yes, they will both map separate, obviously.
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Yes, they will both map separate, obviously.
Nice find....

BUT what happens to that other company that is offering .com names in the other language(China .com .net)? Do they go belly up? (the one that did it not thru ICANN)
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Old 26th January 2006, 06:39 AM
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So I'm guessing that if you have the .jp, the .日本 should be mapped to it in future. No need to do anything -- I hope!
Yeah! That news totally rocks my world.
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So .jp in IDN form won't make much sense for companies, if the .com alternative is 会社...
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Well hold on...

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So .jp in IDN form won't make much sense for companies, if the .com alternative is 会社...
Your comment kinda scared me for a second. But I don't buy it. I'm still a believer at the end of the day in the value of a sanctified all Japanese all the time .jp (excuse me .日本) Else what is all that ”我我 日本人” talk about anyway?
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Yes, but once it becomes .会社 or .日本, it's no longer .com or .jp since the "com" or "jp" extensions have vanished and it's a FULL IDN.

As an aside, I'm glad I own kaisha.jp, especially since the registry has blocked both 会社.jp and 日本.jp from being registered.
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So .jp in IDN form won't make much sense for companies, if the .com alternative is 会社...
actually makes it better

ring .japan in IDN for .jp!!!!!!!!! booyah

.com and .jp will reign in Japan
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Old 26th January 2006, 08:46 AM
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That's the thing everyone is getting confused on. The .jp will automatically refresh to an idn once designated by icann. You will get this from just ordering the .jp or .com
Well done Sarcle. Top of the Class!

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Nice find....

BUT what happens to that other company that is offering .com names in the other language(China .com .net)? Do they go belly up? (the one that did it not thru ICANN)
These have only been sold in China.

The Chinese registration policy explains that they can do exactly as they please.

What will almost certainly happen is not much really but those register non-Verisign version will quitely have .CN or .中国 slipped onto the end.

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Yes, but once it becomes .会社 or .日本, it's no longer .com or .jp since the "com" or "jp" extensions have vanished and it's a FULL IDN.

As an aside, I'm glad I own kaisha.jp, especially since the registry has blocked both 会社.jp and 日本.jp from being registered.
Those wishing to type in the old Latin extension will still be able to do so. For gTLDs you will in theory be able to use any of dozens different variations. It should still resolve even if the dot com is in the Tamil mapping.

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actually makes it better

ring .japan in IDN for .jp!!!!!!!!! booyah

.com and .jp will reign in Japan
Yes, the IDN extensions will clearly be much more popular than the old two letter ccTLD versions. Lets face it .COM might be a massive brand, but it doesn't really mean anything. Most people couldn't tell you whether it is any abbreviation of Company or Commercial.

Those holding English Keywords in dot JP are in my opinion on the ROAD TO HELL unless, as Edwin has done, they have been pragmatic enough to get a foot in each camp.

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Hey guys I was doubtful before but there's merit to this I just found out.

I usually type my Japanese domains by hand

If I'm typing in English
I would type Anime.com
Japanese
アニメ.com
アニメ。com

With The Japanese dot WORKS!!!
It already corrects itself to go to the normal dot.
So basically it makes sense the registry just would have to map it for the language
So for Japanese
アニメ。会社 is staring to make sense

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.公司 maps to .cn for like the past 3 years.

The problem is few people in china uses .公司. It's easier to type .com.

To most Asians, .com doesn't represent commerce - it's just means "internet address". I believe that's the case for Japanese users as well - maybe Olney or Edwin can confirm that.

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