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i can not believe it!!!

the jp idn was sold just now at $10.
why?
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English: acceptance.com
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84,600,000 yahoo.co.jp with ""
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and 25 japanese bids (27 bids now,and the top bids is ¥204,¥203,¥202,¥202,¥202,¥201) ."

http://www.idnforums.com/forums/5753...o-reserve.html
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Re: i can not believe it!!!

Not sure man, i guess everbody is over at snap ! Im still waiting on 1 cent over here LOL http://www.idnforums.com/forums/5774...tarts-low.html
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Re: i can not believe it!!!

Greedy bastards think they do better over giving cash to snap for half baked names.

http://www.idnforums.com/forums/5775...o-minimum.html

If this BS continues, that's it with posting names on here. Period.
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Re: i can not believe it!!!

As for this name specifically i am not sure...maybe lack of obvious commercial value?

Add to the fact that imo most became picky..maybe even "spoiled" when buying...
because take even what is still available at reg fee today and try and buy it in the ascii and you wont be able to for an amount that isnt up there
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Re: i can not believe it!!!

Happens to all of us....
Everyone that has done auctions has sold domains at low cost...
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Re: i can not believe it!!!

Not a great word in English for a website IMO, except that it is a single word. Some loan companies are "acceptance" corporations, but this is even weak from a consumer standpoint. Consumers would look for "loan". Maybe some religious connotations as to accepting faith?

Maybe this is a powerful word in Japanese, I don't know but many probably did not gain interest due to the English translation.
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the jp idn was sold just now at $10.
why?
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"受付.com
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English: acceptance.com
japanese

84,600,000 yahoo.co.jp with ""
jp ovt 3741 受付
and 25 japanese bids (27 bids now,and the top bids is ¥204,¥203,¥202,¥202,¥202,¥201) ."

http://www.idnforums.com/forums/5753...o-reserve.html
Because most people are trying to haul coal to Newcastle.

The End user market for Japanese domains is Japan, as those for Chinese is China.

For some reason IDNForums has been seen as THE place to sell. If it is, then it is a sign that market is completely screwed. At best is should only ever be a place where would be intemediaries come to obtain names sell on to end Users or investors trade amongst themselves. As there has recently been no great influx of quality investors, it is not surprising that with native Chinese turning up here by the bus load to offload everything in the dictionary that there is over supply in the market.

The astute players will be trying to get hold of quality and either develop them or market them directly to Chinese and Japanes companies. Local languages speakers living in the countries where these will be used are at a unique advantage to do this. If they do not, then not only are they wasting their natural talents, but the domains themselves will be reduced to novelty items.

ほとんどの人々がニューキャッスルに石炭を強く引くことを試みているので。 日本の範囲のためのエンドユーザーの市場は中国語のためのそれらが中国であるように、日本である。 どういうわけかIDNForumsは販売するためにように場所見られた。 そうであれば、それは市場が完全にねじで締まるという印である。 あるべきであるだけintemediaries名前を得ることを来る販売するエンドユーザーにのまたは投資家が彼ら自身の中で交換する場所は精々ある。 最近質投資家の大きい流入がずっとないので、それは市場に終わる供給があること不思議も辞書のすべてをオフロードするためにバス負荷によってここに出て来ている原産の中国語とでなくて。 鋭いプレーヤーはそれらを開発するか、または中国人およびJapanesの会社に直接販売するために質の把握を得ることを試みて。 これらが使用される国に住んでいるローカル言語スピーカーはこれをする独特な利点にある。 、自然な才能を無駄にするあるがただ範囲自身は新型項目に減る。

因为大多数人都试图捡煤纽卡斯尔. 市场对日本最终用户的领域是日本,因为这对中国是中国. 由于某种原因idnforums一直被视为地方卖. 如果是的话,它是一个标志,是完全的市场螺旋. 充其量只能是一个永远的地方将intemediaries前来索取销售给最终用户的名称或投资者彼此之间的贸易. 由于近来没有大批投资者素质,难怪中国本土谈到了这里的巴士载重承接一切的词典,有超过供给市场. 精明的球员将努力抓住质量和开发或者直接向他们或他们的市场中Japanes公司. 当地语言发言的国家中,生活在这些将用独特的优势正处于这样做. 如果他们不这样做,那么不仅是人才的浪费天然的,但自己的领域将减至新奇物品.
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Re: i can not believe it!!!

Yes, nowadays i do not even bother to bid in sn, many names i see newbies bidding for, particularly the .nets, are not even worth reg fee in my opinion, let alone $60, and the few names that are worth bidding often go up to $xxx or even $xxxx.

I hope the people that are bidding are not paying on credit - with no peer pressure whatsoever, it's easy to "get addicted" and balloon the debt - 100 mediocre names at $60 is $6000.

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It is rare to see bargains go at Snapnames or Pool these days. Mostly people grossly overpay. I guess they have a captive audience and the competitive auctions convince people that they are getting value. Generally, speaking you can pick up names of simliar quality for half the price at Sedo or Afternic and a quarter the price in the forums. IDN are no exception. It is just one of life's mysteries. As for worry about what suckers waste their money on, well life is just too short.
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Yes, nowadays i do not even bother to bid in sn, many names i see newbies bidding for, particularly the .nets, are not even worth reg fee in my opinion, let alone $60, and the few names that are worth bidding often go up to $xxx or even $xxxx..
If you don't bid, how do you see the other auctions? Seems only the initial bidders get to participate in the auction and then watch results. Is this correct?
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Re: i can not believe it!!!

Hard to say... If I could get my porno.tv onto snap it would go through the roof... Get it on a snap auction and your guaranteed to get stupid money for it yet there are quality names on this forum that the guys slaughtering each other for over at snap just ignore... Why? -- Who knows...
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It is rare to see bargains go at Snapnames or Pool these days. Mostly people grossly overpay. I guess they have a captive audience and the competitive auctions convince people that they are getting value. Generally, speaking you can pick up names of simliar quality for half the price at Sedo or Afternic and a quarter the price in the forums. IDN are no exception. It is just one of life's mysteries. As for worry about what suckers waste their money on, well life is just too short.

Well, there are bargains on SN too, but i'm not sure if it's worth spending $60 and time to try for bargains, especially when the names are mediocre. I rather mine elsewhere and spend only $7.
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Re: i can not believe it!!!

We can't reduce what the forum is RD. The industry isn't fully developed yet. It might be a slum in investors currently but many benefitted from private sales on here. I don't know if those amounts of IDN sales actually go on, on DNF or NP.

In the last year we've made like 3000% progress in the market. It's like almost exactly 1 year ago you were alone in the info you had about IDNs. Think of your profits, that you've made in this one year, think of the quality of your portfolio now compared to the 1000 domains you had 1 year ago.

I'm not saying this to criticize you friend but this is just a slump.
Comparing to 1 year ago this is great but, thinking about how things will be 1 year later is more important.

1. Parking revenue (correctly)
2. IE7 & Vista in use
3. Domain selling services (local versions)
4. Natives making IDN websites
5. Natives start to use IDNs in ads.

I personally think Sedo will get the biggest IDN sales (& have said it before). They will have to get better for many to switch to their parking service but they have the clients & track records for high end domain sales.

I do know the domains I sell here are for resellers. I wouldn't sell to Japanese for the same prices.
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Re: i can not believe it!!!

What we all allready know:

"The psychology of auctions and collectibles
In all your dealings as a seller at online auctions, remember that many bidders participate for the entertainment value, and that they my bid irrationally high because of the emotion and the competitive excitement. Do whatever you can to foster that state of mind -- in your descriptions and even in your follow up email. The person with the highest bid is a proud "winner," not just a consumer. They have won the right to buy this particular item, and they like to feel good about it. When you first write to the winner of one of your auctions, always say "congratulations."
There are some people who "shop" at auctions, wanting to get a good price for a quality item, but just wanting to get in and out with a minimum of hassle. Those aren't the folks you want to cater to. You want to appeal to the folks who enjoy the auction experience.

And if you sell collectibles, you also want to tap into nostalgia. Many of today's online auction buyers are looking for items that they once possessed as children. In our society, many families move frequently, and parents typically throw out many items that they believe are of no value or that they believe their children have grown out of. Years later, when those kids hit middle age, they have an urge to get back in touch with their past, and will go to great lengths to obtain long lost items they associate with their childhood.

Experimenting at Ebay, I've discovered an interesting law of economics. (Perhaps this is well-known, but I had never heard of it before). The less the intrinsic value of a mass-produced object, the more likely it will become valuable over time as a collectible. (Their lack of intrinsic value means that few people will save these objects, which means that they will become rare. And the fact that they were mass-produced will mean that they are imprinted on the consciousness of many, and thus subject to nostalgia by association, and hence will be in demand.)

As a result, I can get more money selling a fair-condition bottle cap than selling a 100-year-old book that's in fine condition.

This changes the economics of collectibles. There used to be a large gap between the prices a dealer could get selling to collectors and the prices an ordinary collector could get selling to a dealer. Now anyone who knows how to play the online auction game can sell at dealer prices. In fact, anyone with a little knowledge and ambition and online savvy can become a dealer -- buying and selling in the same online marketplace and serving the irrational but very real needs of those who want to buy a piece of their childhood past."

Source:http://www.samizdat.com/ebay.html
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Re: i can not believe it!!!

But this doesn't explain why some names like Russian can fetch higher price on SN than on an open forum.


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What we all allready know:

"The psychology of auctions and collectibles
In all your dealings as a seller at online auctions, remember that many bidders participate for the entertainment value, and that they my bid irrationally high because of the emotion and the competitive excitement. Do whatever you can to foster that state of mind -- in your descriptions and even in your follow up email. The person with the highest bid is a proud "winner," not just a consumer. They have won the right to buy this particular item, and they like to feel good about it. When you first write to the winner of one of your auctions, always say "congratulations."
There are some people who "shop" at auctions, wanting to get a good price for a quality item, but just wanting to get in and out with a minimum of hassle. Those aren't the folks you want to cater to. You want to appeal to the folks who enjoy the auction experience.

And if you sell collectibles, you also want to tap into nostalgia. Many of today's online auction buyers are looking for items that they once possessed as children. In our society, many families move frequently, and parents typically throw out many items that they believe are of no value or that they believe their children have grown out of. Years later, when those kids hit middle age, they have an urge to get back in touch with their past, and will go to great lengths to obtain long lost items they associate with their childhood.

Experimenting at Ebay, I've discovered an interesting law of economics. (Perhaps this is well-known, but I had never heard of it before). The less the intrinsic value of a mass-produced object, the more likely it will become valuable over time as a collectible. (Their lack of intrinsic value means that few people will save these objects, which means that they will become rare. And the fact that they were mass-produced will mean that they are imprinted on the consciousness of many, and thus subject to nostalgia by association, and hence will be in demand.)

As a result, I can get more money selling a fair-condition bottle cap than selling a 100-year-old book that's in fine condition.

This changes the economics of collectibles. There used to be a large gap between the prices a dealer could get selling to collectors and the prices an ordinary collector could get selling to a dealer. Now anyone who knows how to play the online auction game can sell at dealer prices. In fact, anyone with a little knowledge and ambition and online savvy can become a dealer -- buying and selling in the same online marketplace and serving the irrational but very real needs of those who want to buy a piece of their childhood past."

Source:http://www.samizdat.com/ebay.html
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Re: i can not believe it!!!

1. SN has wider audience
2. SN is KNOWN for bs names (ascii and idn apparently) that go for ridiculous amounts.
3. IMO at this stage idnforums grew alot in last few months but not enough to have a real market place atmosphere and most sales are behind closed doors or a "wholesale exchange" kind of sales
4. some what conflicting to some of the above arguments but idn's as idn's aren't yet "excepted" by most domainers and we don't know who is going crazy on sn at this point
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Add the most important factor...IDN is not born yet...try to explain to the average joe what's an idn...u will regret the moment u started to try
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Where are you guys seeing the list of Snapname auction results?
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some what conflicting to some of the above arguments but idn's as idn's aren't yet "excepted" by most domainers and we don't know who is going crazy on sn at this point
Well a lot of the culprits are from here. Those that are trying to talk the market down may well be amongst the worst offenders. The BS factor is growing daily.

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We can't reduce what the forum is RD. The industry isn't fully developed yet. It might be a slum in investors currently but many benefitted from private sales on here. I don't know if those amounts of IDN sales actually go on, on DNF or NP.

In the last year we've made like 3000% progress in the market. It's like almost exactly 1 year ago you were alone in the info you had about IDNs. Think of your profits, that you've made in this one year, think of the quality of your portfolio now compared to the 1000 domains you had 1 year ago.

I'm not saying this to criticize you friend but this is just a slump.
Comparing to 1 year ago this is great but, thinking about how things will be 1 year later is more important.

1. Parking revenue (correctly)
2. IE7 & Vista in use
3. Domain selling services (local versions)
4. Natives making IDN websites
5. Natives start to use IDNs in ads.

I personally think Sedo will get the biggest IDN sales (& have said it before). They will have to get better for many to switch to their parking service but they have the clients & track records for high end domain sales.

I do know the domains I sell here are for resellers. I wouldn't sell to Japanese for the same prices.
Agree with most of that. I wasn't trying to knock the forum or even particularly get at any particular group. I was just trying to explain that the dynamics of the market at the moment are all screwed as the people who should be buying to selll elsewhere are coming here to try to sell to others whose primary interest at this moment in time is selling. I have no doubt that in a month or so both lots will be starting to buy.
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Re: i can not believe it!!!

Frankly, if I thought it was such a great domain, I would have bid $20. It also means "reception" like the reception desk in your office. I don't feel this sale was a travesty. I've gotten much better domains off of RD at not much cheaper.

I think you guys are ignoring that nude.com sold for $3000 (and almost $4500) the other day. There is some money on this forum guys, it just isn't dumb money. There are also plenty of bargains here to be found - quality names at affordable prices. As Mr. T would say, "I pity the fool that wastes his money at Snapnames"....
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