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Old 26th August 2006, 04:23 PM
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Just to let you know that the owner of LosAngeles.com and a lot of other geo locations worldwide (Boulevards New Media) recentely developed minisites to all his domains and said he had lost 70% on reveneu from his previously parked pages.

Reason, he said, is people get stuck on content, that's to say they have found something, unlike parked pages where all they find are links and still didn't reached content.

Of course that will change when Google indexes the pages.
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Re: Developing x Parked pages

Well I think you have to try to look at local habits at see how you can build from those. Studying your traffic stats is a good place to start.

I have a new concept called 検索カナ. I think this will make Million Dollar Homepage look like a wet fart!

This concept is one that I can probably uniquely tackle, because of the domain that own. Once it is up and running I will do one with Arabic.

The reason that this is such a powerful concept is that it is one that cannot be copied, should be user friendly, will cost very little to develop, will use currently wasted traffic, and is should be extremely SEO compatible.
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Re: Developing x Parked pages

DN Journal Adam Dicker Interview

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While Dicker continues to build at DNForum he is moving away from his original plan to develop most of his domain names. “Early on I spent time trying to develop hundreds of sites before I realized it was a waste of time. Now I would say 90% of my sites are PPC. I found out the hard way that you can make more on PPC than a developed site with no overhead and no staff and no expenses,” Dicker said. “If I have a great product with a target market, it will do well as a website, but will it make more as a website than a PPC site? Probably not. I have taken one of my best domains, Penpals.com, and tried 6 different designs and products for it and in the end PPC made me a lot more every time.”
DN Journal Rick Schwartz Interview

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I like to build sites with limited content. In other words, I have mostly crappy sites! But even that is for a reason. I don’t want anyone sticking around on my sites. I want them off as quick as they came via a revenue producing link.
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Re: Developing x Parked pages

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Well I think you have to try to look at local habits at see how you can build from those. Studying your traffic stats is a good place to start.

I have a new concept called 検索カナ. I think this will make Million Dollar Homepage look like a wet fart!

This concept is one that I can probably uniquely tackle, because of the domain that own. Once it is up and running I will do one with Arabic.

The reason that this is such a powerful concept is that it is one that cannot be copied, should be user friendly, will cost very little to develop, will use currently wasted traffic, and is should be extremely SEO compatible.
wow. Can you uncover a little bit more? 検索カナ = "Search-what"?
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wow. Can you uncover a little bit more? 検索カナ = "Search-what"?
I am trying to set up a system where you can navigate information/information by just putting in a single character. What I need right now is a load of high profile keywords that have the matching phonetics at the beginning, so the association can be made. This is a sort of A is Apple type approach to navigating the web. You could think of these as keyboard short-cuts. I came up with this idea noting that people seem to be coming back and clicking on some single characters.

This ties in with:

http://www.idnforums.com/forums/6310...ssistance.html

So far I have about half a dozen. If you don't speak the language it is like swimming through treacle!
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Re: Developing x Parked pages

My personal opinoin is most will have to wait for parking because of the language issues. It's a legit barrier for development. I myself probably wouldn't be able to develop in Russian, German, or Korean easily.

The most important thing in the whole IDN industry is getting natives in each country familiar with IDN websites, not parked pages.

So my point is if you have the resources, develop, even a few sites. You might not make as much from a developed site but it helps out. Then again I think compared to right now, you should make more.

Japanese bloggers have starting getting IDNs to name their blogs & forward it to free blog hosting sites. It's a start, but they're usually jps. Each of us that can develop, has to promote our investment to natives.

We can't think of everything as being as complete equal to ASCII domains yet.
We have 2006 domaining technology with a 1990 domaining industry.
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Re: Developing x Parked pages

You can possibly make more by parking rather than developing a domain IF the domain already comes with tons of typein traffic that's independent of the search engines.

For instance (from some of the posts above): losangeles.com, penpals.com. I would guess each of those gets hundreds or more likely thousands of daily visitors from typeins (without counting on a single search engine driven visitor from indexed pages)

In that case, PPC is going to yield a big fat cheque on the back of that traffic.

Take a typical IDN TODAY, RIGHT NOW and it will be getting very little if any typein traffic, regardless of the "quality" of the domain. In that case, the "develop" scenario wins hands down, since if you can build a site that attracts hundreds or thousands of daily visitors, you're going to earn more-to-much-more on it than the PPC revenue from perhaps 1-5 daily visitors would bring.

The other thing to consider is limits. A regular domain, no matter how fantastic, is never going to get more than the typein number of visitors it is able to attract, if zero development takes place. That number of typeins may grow in time, or it may flatline, but either way you know that growth will be limited by the number of people willing to keep typing that domain into their browsers since there's no reason for them to come back again.

Development, on the other hand, has no limits. Just look at the plentyoffish.com site for an example of a one-man site doing well. It gets millions of visitors every day - more than ANY single typein domain on the planet could boast of - and yet the owner pays little or nothing in advertising. Yes, there's a ton of effort behind it. And yes, it's deliberately an extreme example from the very right-hand side of the success curve. But that illustrates the distinction I was making above perfectly.

Going back to Adam and his penpals.com, if he (and Dan, the original owner) had decided to just park dnforum.com he would probably be making pretty much $0 daily from it. Instead, as a developed site, it's throwing off enough cash that he's able to engage fulltime staff and grow the site and the business behind in all sorts of directions, not to mention tie up with iREIT.

So for domains without a steady stream of typeins (i.e. 99.9% of domains) development or resale are the only two ways to extract meaningful amounts of money from them.
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Re: Developing x Parked pages

Hehe, plentyoffish.com and that 900k canadian dollar cheque. Big showoff? :p
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Re: Developing x Parked pages

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My personal opinoin is most will have to wait for parking because of the language issues. It's a legit barrier for development. I myself probably wouldn't be able to develop in Russian, German, or Korean easily.

The most important thing in the whole IDN industry is getting natives in each country familiar with IDN websites, not parked pages.

So my point is if you have the resources, develop, even a few sites. You might not make as much from a developed site but it helps out. Then again I think compared to right now, you should make more.

Japanese bloggers have starting getting IDNs to name their blogs & forward it to free blog hosting sites. It's a start, but they're usually jps. Each of us that can develop, has to promote our investment to natives.

We can't think of everything as being as complete equal to ASCII domains yet.
We have 2006 domaining technology with a 1990 domaining industry.
You got in early... That's it.
There are two issues here. Can you do the HTML, can you create original content in the local language. If you can do both you are in the driving seat. If you can do neither, then you really should consider getting some help. If are good at one but not the other, then the specialist help you are looking for is not quite as specialised.
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