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Lots of my japanese idns still getting no traffic

Is this normal for many people? Only 3-4 of my japanese names are getting the traffic.
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Re: Lots of my japanese idns still getting no traffic

I only get sporadic traffic to my Japanese names. A few names stand out with more traffic than average, but most get just a trickle if that.
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Re: Lots of my japanese idns still getting no traffic

Try to get them indexed to benefit from Search Engine traffic before major type ins occur.
Especially your dot jps
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Re: Lots of my japanese idns still getting no traffic

was there ever a conclusion on the best way to index them regarding url?

punycode vs. unicode
with or without the "www"

We are still having trouble with indexing, so was wondering what others have found to work, especially with their .jp's. Thanks
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Re: Lots of my japanese idns still getting no traffic

I'll post results later
but I think generally punycode.EXT without www did the best.

I want to go through all the data though I ran daily test.
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Re: Lots of my japanese idns still getting no traffic

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I'll post results later but I think generally punycode.EXT without www did the best. I want to go through all the data though I ran daily test.
I agree on that, but no miracles in terms of traffic.
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Re: Lots of my japanese idns still getting no traffic

This is my theory...

A lot of us have sought out Japanese IDN's based on Yahoo.co.jp OVT stats.

These stats are taken from Yahoo users searching for keywords in Yahoo.co.jp, and we have used them (rightly so) as a general gauge for an IDN's value.

The problem is if you don't pay to get listed by Yahoo - you won't show up in their search results. We're not even on the radar...simple as that.

We are then left relying on Google.jp indexing us or type-ins traffic.

Now we know Google is virtually unused by Japanese as a search engine - so this isn't looking good.

So the best hope we have is the release of IE7 to give us the type-ins we need.

Or we start to build sites with decent content that will encourage inbound links and generate traffic that way.

Simple...or over-simplified?
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Re: Lots of my japanese idns still getting no traffic

Traffic for japanese names come from 2 sources:

1. yahoo index.
2. type-in due to similar website, for example, if a website markets itself as japanesekanji.com, the name will get plenty of type-in.
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Re: Lots of my japanese idns still getting no traffic

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This is my theory...

A lot of us have sought out Japanese IDN's based on Yahoo.co.jp OVT stats.

These stats are taken from Yahoo users searching for keywords in Yahoo.co.jp, and we have used them (rightly so) as a general gauge for an IDN's value.

The problem is if you don't pay to get listed by Yahoo - you won't show up in their search results. We're not even on the radar...simple as that.

We are then left relying on Google.jp indexing us or type-ins traffic.

Now we know Google is virtually unused by Japanese as a search engine - so this isn't looking good.

So the best hope we have is the release of IE7 to give us the type-ins we need.

Or we start to build sites with decent content that will encourage inbound links and generate traffic that way.

Simple...or over-simplified?
I thought Yahoo Japan didn't charge for submission?
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Re: Lots of my japanese idns still getting no traffic

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I thought Yahoo Japan didn't charge for submission?
They have two levels of submission...free and paid.

Free is no guarantee you'll get indexed - only by paying can you be sure.
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Re: Lots of my japanese idns still getting no traffic

It's a bit easier getting into Yahoo than Google, plus Yahoo is used more.
The reason why I keep stressing this is because it should apply to a lot of countries.
For example Chinese domains might be getting all it's traffic from Baidu or other native search engines.

If your domain isn't a highly competitive keyword there is a chance it could show up on the first page of Yahoo or Google for the keyword after being indexed.

I have a few good domains that are about $1 a click that somehow got to the first page of Google for the term.

As far as using OVT, it was a real good start for many of us but the term should generally make sense. We can also use Google Trends to reconfirm the term.

Many OVT results are just names of Yahoo Categories.

If we as the domain owner understand why the term is popular, then buyers will too.

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Yahoo Index is free
Yahoo directory is a one time fee(Yahoo US is a yearly fee), or you can submit it, if they like it they just might include the site for free.
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Re: Lots of my japanese idns still getting no traffic

My Japanese traffic is very sporadic as well... I have about 80 domain names that draw about 100 views a month, all generated across maybe 20-30 domains. The other 50 don't do squat one month but will do better the next. But generally 20-30domains generate my traffic every month.

I have only seen consistent traffic from a few of my Chinese domains (maybe 10) parked at Dopa and they are consistently the most visisted domains month over month.

Maybe when there is more type-in consistency from the implementation of IE7 and an adoption of type-in habit from the users will we truly know what is strong and what is not.
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Re: Lots of my japanese idns still getting no traffic

If you do the right things, there is no problem getting Japanese traffic from Yahoo.

They key is having developed sites, like Onley said.

Parked pages don't get indexed well on Yahoo Japan, and most people aren't using IE7 yet, so what kind of typins can one expect? Very few.

The main issue is that most people aren't putting in the effort to develop more than a few domains.

In fact, the going on Japanese domains is so good, I am launching dozens of sites a week.
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Re: Lots of my japanese idns still getting no traffic

I average get about 1200 monthly views to my 150ish Japanese domains. Recently, I noticed a sharp increase to .jp domains.
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Re: Lots of my japanese idns still getting no traffic

I'd really like to see if someone would be willing to actually examine traffic from different countries.
All someone would need to do is put Google Analytics code inside the meta tags of domain forwarding

This would generally tell us why some countries have traffic & where traffic is actually coming from.

I can firmly guess that it's coming from local search engines or versions of Google & yahoo that the crawlers originate from the country.

If someone wants to know how to set it up I can tell you.
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Re: Lots of my japanese idns still getting no traffic

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Yahoo Index is free
Yahoo directory is a one time fee(Yahoo US is a yearly fee), or you can submit it, if they like it they just might include the site for free.
Thanks for clarifying this Olney.

I have noticed my site 大和市.com has been indexed by Yahoo.co.jp, and is the no.1 search result when entered in quotes "大和市.com".
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Re: Lots of my japanese idns still getting no traffic

other problems:

-if you use google adsense, you are banned from yahoo
- if your names are parked, google and yahoo have banned parked pages


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Re: Lots of my japanese idns still getting no traffic

I don't think we take comments like this to apply to every market.
All my sites (developed) used adsense & have many doing very well in Yahoo Japan.
One of my first test IDN sites shows up #4 for the keyword in Yahoo Japan.

Google will deindex many parked domains eventually.
Yahoo is not as strict as Google.

We need to look at what is working & why. This is not just a Japan issue either.
Except for Koreans it seems no one group has as many IDNs as we do.
We should be able to find these things out ourselves.


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other problems:

-if you use google adsense, you are banned from yahoo
- if your names are parked, google and yahoo have banned parked pages


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other problems:
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- if your names are parked, google and yahoo have banned parked pages
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If you use AdSense, you are not banned from Yahoo.

If your names are parked, you should count on typein traffic only. Parking pages do not get indexed well.
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Re: Lots of my japanese idns still getting no traffic

regarding yahoo this is an impression; about 50 of our sites are on google first page (ex: maghrebpresse.com, pressealgerie.com, maghrebin.com) you won't find them in yahoo

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