IE7 set to release October 2006

[markits]

cyberquatting, a typo by touch. Search $100,000 cyberSquatting at dnf now.
hehe

[bwhhisc]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

Well from a SEO standpoint both forums would benefit from permitting backlinks. Alternatively, both forums can just to decide to ban them to the detriment of all. It will make very little difference in the long run either way.

I agree with you. Backlinks to other forums should be allowed when they enhance the thread, or provide resources or information that was not possible to put on the thread in the firstplace. That was not the case here though, kind of surprised me as I expected to go to the Microsoft blog, not another forum. The protocal for this is up to the forum owners, so I don't want to be butting in.

[OldIDNer]

Originally Posted by touchring

Ok, try google, it's on DNF, but the search isn't that good.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...e+Search&meta=

Anyway, affects only Americans, i think.

That's why you should always stick to generic dictionary words. And always use them in the generic definition way.
All countries have trademark laws.

[touchring]

Originally Posted by markits

cyberquatting, a typo by touch. Search $100,000 cyberSquatting at dnf now.
hehe

Sorry guys, have been spending more time on working out recently. Need to shed the extra gained the past year registering idns.

[Alphamale]

Originally Posted by bwhhisc

Alpha....be fair here. Your thread did not contain any info...only a link to take his IDNF forum members over to your forum. Would you allow news threads to be started at your forum, with no info, only a link to take your members to another forum. I think Olney handled this with cool restraint and was trying to let is slide on by...

What response would this same tactic get at DNF or NAMEPROS?

No forum would allow another forum owners to post "hot news" and then only provide a link to redirect members to their forum. JMO

Actually Bill, on reflection I can imagine that it could be perceived like that - I just got a little excited, it is big news afterall - I couldn't be bothered to post it all again - the news hadn't been picked up yet here, so I just thought it easier to post a link where it had been, and where there was conversation already underway.

And in answer to your question, if something as big as IE7 release date happens again, and GI sleep through it, then feel free to wake up us with a post - we are all after the same thing aren't we? We just have different ideas as to how to get there.

[idn]

Originally Posted by Alphamale

Actually Bill, on reflection I can imagine that it could be perceived like that - I just got a little excited, it is big news afterall - I couldn't be bothered to post it all again - the news hadn't been picked up yet here, so I just thought it easier to post a link where it had been, and where there was conversation already underway.

And in answer to your question, if something as big as IE7 release date happens again, and GI sleep through it, then feel free to wake up us with a post - we are all after the same thing aren't we? We just have different ideas as to how to get there.

It appears there is more than just a difference of opinion between you and Olney. Stating comments such as "riding the coat-tails" “ego” “sleep through it” and the many other derogatory comments makes me believe (and actually hope) that there is much more than meets the eye. If it is only a difference of opinion than I think your comments are way out of line and unnecessary.

[bwhhisc]

Originally Posted by Alphamale

Actually Bill, on reflection I can imagine that it could be perceived like that - I just got a little excited, it is big news afterall - I couldn't be bothered to post it all again - the news hadn't been picked up yet here, so I just thought it easier to post a link where it had been, and where there was conversation already underway.

And in answer to your question, if something as big as IE7 release date happens again, and GI sleep through it, then feel free to wake up us with a post - we are all after the same thing aren't we? We just have different ideas as to how to get there.

No problem, I got a bit excited too...and I even thanked you in my post on your thread (below). I think Olney did the same thing most forum owner or MODs would do, and he didn't make a big deal of it.

Most importantly here, you are 100% right that we are all after the same goals and all have a common bond in sharing the IDN experience. "A high tide lifts all ships" should be all of our thinking at this point, and there is always strength in numbers and collective thinking.

QUOTE: Thanks Alpha for sharing that info
RD should getting due credit for best 'crystal ball' on this, (predicting the release to coincide with end of support for WIN98 and XP service pack 1 on October 10th).
So if it happens precisely next week, double kudos to da' Duck.

[Alphamale]

[quote=idn]It appears there is more than just a difference of opinion between you and Olney. Stating comments such as "riding the coat-tails" “ego” “sleep through it” and the many other derogatory comments makes me believe (and actually hope) that there is much more than meets the eye. If it is only a difference of opinion than I think your comments are way out of line and unnecessary.[/quote]

Idn,

You have said what many people reading this are probably thinking, so thank you for raising it.

Let me get one thing straight. "We" over at GotIDN are doing what Olney is refusing to do.

We all believe it needed doing. If it was being done here instead, we wouldn't be over there doing it. There's no forum competition, we are simply doing what needs to be done.. filling in the blanks.

Remember this thread ?: [url="http://www.idnforums.com/forums/6574-news-and-more-news-3.html"]http://www.idnforums.com/forums/6574-news-and-more-news-3.html[/url]

.. sure it's yesterdays news, old news.. but pretty much the whole forum stood up and said the same thing.... saying we need to do something and we need to change.

My comments are simply a reflection of my frustrations, I was frustrated back then when I resigned and started that thread and I am still frustrated, do you know why?

Because what was Olney's response to this thread, what his reply to the masses all chanting the same thing... it was 2 things:

1) "I will implement a volunteer advisory board"

2) thread closed. debate killed.

A month on, how is this advisory board coming along. You know what I think, just a bit lof lip service.

Please don't bash me, I'm not the one who doesn't listen to anyone.

I and (we) deliver on our promises, we say - we do. Have you been over to GotIDN, have you seen what we are doing?

Are we doing this for our selfish benefit. NO.

enough said. rant over. Like I said, this isn't some competition, I don't want IDNF to fail or to stagnate, I did want, and I still do want it to move forward... but I still see zero evidence of that.

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by touchring

Sorry guys, have been spending more time on working out recently. Need to shed the extra gained the past year registering idns.

Funny you should say that. Much of my time these days is spent pounding the sidewalk and playing squash. When the big time arrives, I want to be fit enough to make the most of it!

[bwhhisc]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

Funny you should say that. Much of my time these days is spent pounding the sidewalk and playing squash. When the big time arrives, I want to be fit enough to make the most of it!

And for those not so inclined you can come to IDNBootCamp.com LOL

[bramiozo]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

Funny you should say that. Much of my time these days is spent pounding the sidewalk and playing squash. When the big time arrives, I want to be fit enough to make the most of it!

..and evermore joyful descriptions of Dave's neverlasting positiveness..

Let's wait and see what happens shall we, as long term investors we need hypes as much as we need hair on our arse.

[Olney]

Yes Alph it was easier for me to to move your post but since Got IDN isn't Microsoft's Blog I didn't. Also the 3 members PMing me about made me just write the post over.

Now realistically if you find fault in what I'm doing, then that's your opinion
But I don't really see you giving members any Huge IDN Scoops
I do see RD is sacrificing his own domains to spur your site & he's doing all the reporting about the development of IE7, that's even worthwhile to me.

I didn't refuse to go multilingual, or listen to suggestion.
I did refuse to give you & Mulligan shares of IDNF for you guys to GIVE me direction.
It's a good concept but not everyone is giving their Mods a share of their site after being a Mod for 2 months.

The next step in IDN progression is IDN development. Natives on the whole are not using IDNs yet.

I am dedicated to doing research about IDN development, SEO, & even tips on monetization for those with large portfolios. That is actually worth something to a lot of members.

Even though my portfolio is Japanese the info I present applies to all markets.

You went & created you multiingual forum & you are still fustrated at me?
There was no IDN market one year ago.
It's easy for you guys to PM every member of the memberlist like you guys did & fill a new forum.

So in the end, I even see RD doing a lot of work, promotion everything, even on other sites. This is how IDNF started but I've tried to match what he does, even the sacrifies.

If you think that the IDN community here was built on luck... Then think again.
I've worked as hard as anyone who has invested & will continue to do so.

If it wasn't for doing development research & actually posting it, or sharing the results with the right individuals parking wouldn't have gotten better.

I'm the same one guy who "had vision" enough to correctly create the first IDN community. I didn't get hit in the head with a brick.

You got your own community to build. I built one from scratch even.
So saying I have no vision or whatever sounds real good to promote your site.

[idn]

Originally Posted by Alphamale

Please don't bash me, I'm not the one who doesn't listen to anyone.

I am not bashing you, just trying to understand. I believe you voiced your frustration when you resigned as moderator and started another forum. Is it really necessary to return here occasionally and "bash" Olney? Sorry Alpha, I do respect your forum and what you are trying to accomplish, but I do not respect the unwarranted (at this point) hostility.

[Alphamale]

Originally Posted by Olney

...Now realistically if you find fault in what I'm doing, then that's your opinion

Why do you continually think that this is some sort of personal crusade for me?
This isn't JUST my opinion, if it were, then I am lone voice - ignore me... but I'm not alone... did you not read all of those members comments on the thread I refer to? Were they all not echoing the same concerns?

Originally Posted by Olney

...I did refuse to give you & Mulligan shares of IDNF for you guys to GIVE me direction.
It's a good concept but not everyone is giving their Mods a share of their site after being a Mod for 2 months.

I'm not going to discuss in public our private discussions. But seeing as you raised it... do you really think this is all about me wanting to own a part of IDNF? How much do you think it is worth? LOL. It was about buying a part of the decision making process, and having the ability to force change to happen. Let's face it you're not going to do anything under your own steam.

Originally Posted by Olney

The next step in IDN progression is IDN development. Natives on the whole are not using IDNs yet.

Yet. yes. exactly. Yet, meaning - one day soon.

Originally Posted by Olney

You went & created you multiingual forum & you are still fustrated at me?

No, your MEMBERS are frustrated at you, again read what they said.... I'm beginning to think you didn't take in any of that thread. That's a shame, it's a priviledge for so many people to give you feedback - all too often people say nothing, because it's human nature.

Originally Posted by Olney

If you think that the IDN community here was built on luck... Then think again.
I've worked as hard as anyone who has invested & will continue to do so.

If it wasn't for doing development research & actually posting it, or sharing the results with the right individuals parking wouldn't have gotten better.

I'm the same one guy who "had vision" enough to correctly create the first IDN community. I didn't get hit in the head with a brick.

Great. We are all in debt to you. Is that it then? You have a vision and create a site and it stops? We don't think so, we think what you did is to take one huge step forward. But you can't stop there, there are more steps to take.

Originally Posted by Olney

You got your own community to build. I built one from scratch even.
So saying I have no vision or whatever sounds real good to promote your site.

No, you haven't listened. We are not in competition, we don't have a community to build, or do we need any negative publicity from here.

hello? we want this site to suceed. we all do. I've said this how many times?

[Olney]

Ok Points taken Alph.

I thought that once you guys made an IDN community you would build whatever you feel IDNF or the IDN community is lacking.

When Bram made IDNTools.net I stopped posting weekly delete list.

I don't think one forum needs to be "IT ALL". I might be crazy to think that but it's true.

Since you guys have created a multilingual forum I've taken time to look more into development issues. I've thought that since you guys want to collaborate I can concentrate on certain issues.

When you guys announced the forum & I saw RD PMing every member on the IDNF list one by one in alphabetical order. I let it slide. I respect RD more than any other member on here, even if he badmouths me. If it was anyone else I would have banned them & the actual name of the forum.

But I won't, why can't we coexist? Why does it come back to us arguing that I'm not filling my role? Maybe everyone isn't voicing their opinions to me about directions to go, but they are about negative remarks made about this community. I don't find a need badmouthing you guys. Create what you feel is necessary. Members are telling me, we both bring something different to the table, they can see being members of both sites....

Members want to comment?

[touchring]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

Funny you should say that. Much of my time these days is spent pounding the sidewalk and playing squash. When the big time arrives, I want to be fit enough to make the most of it!

Ya, too much time at the PC seems to be adverse to fitness - how about an exercise machine cum workstation?

btw, the forum argument, doesn't quite make sense, anyone can start another forum - that's life.

[Alphamale]

Originally Posted by Olney

Ok Points taken Alph.

I thought that once you guys made an IDN community you would build whatever you feel IDNF or the IDN community is lacking.

When Bram made IDNTools.net I stopped posting weekly delete list.

I don't think one forum needs to be "IT ALL". I might be crazy to think that but it's true.

Since you guys have created a multilingual forum I've taken time to look more into development issues. I've thought that since you guys want to collaborate I can concentrate on certain issues.

When you guys announced the forum & I saw RD PMing every member on the IDNF list one by one in alphabetical order. I let it slide. I respect RD more than any other member on here, even if he badmouths me. If it was anyone else I would have banned them & the actual name of the forum.

But I won't, why can't we coexist? Why does it come back to us arguing that I'm not filling my role? Maybe everyone isn't voicing their opinions to me about directions to go, but they are about negative remarks made about this community. I don't find a need badmouthing you guys. Create what you feel is necessary. Members are telling me, we both bring something different to the table, they can see being members of both sites....

Members want to comment?

Olney, one final comment from me, before I back off and leave you in peace.

I concur, there doesn't have to be conflict or competition, we can and should co-exist. But if we are going to co-exist then having direction and vision are even more important as we both want to further the industry.

The reason I came back today and "bashed" you was to say:

you promised your members a volunteer committee a month ago, and you owe it to them to deliver on your promise.

Things have changed since you setup this forum a year ago, theres other forums for starters. You need to adapt to the changing environment and your members have lots of good ideas - and they have spoken. You promised to give them a stage in the form of a committee - so all I am asking, for the benefit of all who wish this industry to grow, is to honor that commitment.

[rhys]

Personally, I just want to keep discussing IDNs, developing IDNs and keep informed of developments in the market. I want a place to onboard all the IDN newbs and expand our circle. And sure I think that getting IDN related content available in various languages is important and I support it.

But frankly it's a pain that I find myself going back and forth between the 2 forums now - but that's life. I think Olney has handled that development pretty well. I really dislike the bickering though. I have no need to take sides but fighting is distracting and detrimental. So can't we all just get along.

[domainguru]

Originally Posted by rhys

Personally, I just want to keep discussing IDNs, developing IDNs and keep informed of developments in the market. I want a place to onboard all the IDN newbs and expand our circle. And sure I think that getting IDN related content available in various languages is important and I support it.

But frankly it's a pain that I find myself going back and forth between the 2 forums now - but that's life. I think Olney has handled that development pretty well. I really dislike the bickering though. I have no need to take sides but fighting is distracting and detrimental. So can't we all just get along.

Like the unequalled John Lennon once sung, "Give peace a chance".

[Olney]

Again Point taken Alph
Your concerns about that are legit.
Let's move on..
I apologize to the members who are reading this & even RD if any offense is made by comments made by myself.
Hopefully members can continue to discuss a much distracted discussion.