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ICANN's reviews and recommendations for IDN

ICANN has posted the Request for Comments (RFC4690) from the Internet Architecture Board (IAB

http://icann.org/announcements/announcement-11oct06.htm

http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/we.../msg02988.html

http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4690.txt
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Re: ICANN's reviews and recommendations for IDN

5.1.1. Elimination of All Non-Language Characters

Unicode characters that are not needed to write words or numbers in
any of the world's languages should be eliminated from the list of
characters that are appropriate in DNS labels. In addition to such
characters as those used for box-drawing and sentence punctuation,
this should exclude punctuation for word structure and other
delimiters. While DNS labels may conveniently be used to express
words in many circumstances, the goal is not to express words (or
sentences or phrases
), but to permit the creation of unambiguous
labels with good mnemonic value.

Then what is the goal? Non-words have mnemonic value? Many symbols also have mnemonic value. £.com is 'an unambigious lable with good mnemonic value' but LKJGKLJVFKLJA.com is a valid domain with NO mnemonic value. Eliminating word spacing and punctuation also makes some languages unreadable - like Arabic. Once again, these people need to have this brought to their attention.

5.1.2. Elimination of Word-Separation Punctuation

The inclusion of the hyphen in the original hostname rules is a
historical artifact from an older, flat, namespace. The community
should consider whether it is appropriate to treat it as a simple
legacy property of ASCII names and not attempt to generalize it to
other scripts. We might, for example, not permit claimed equivalents
to the hyphen from other scripts to be used in IDNs. We might even
consider banning use of the hyphen itself in non-ASCII strings or,
less restrictively, strings that contained non-Latin characters.
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Re: ICANN's reviews and recommendations for IDN

They're trying to shut the stable door well after the horse has bolted.

Plus outlawing other language's hyphens could be seen as discrimination.

Will they ban の ?
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Re: ICANN's reviews and recommendations for IDN

Because of the 'symbolic' nature of Classical Chinese, which is a written but not a spoken language, Asian typography tends to use many more symbols than English.

Rarely do you see ☎ on an American business card. But this is standard in Japan.

Part and parcel of Classical Chinese, adopted by the Japanese, is that knowing the pronounciation of a character 'a mnemonic' is irrelevant.

A person could learn what 女 means, and never know how to pronouce it.

Knowing how to pronounce 女 in the many Chinese dialects, Korean, Vietnamese, and Japanese (there's more than one reading to a character probably too!) is not necessary to use it and for it to be almost universally understood everywhere in Asia.

Even a very educated person, who knows Classical Chinese, many not know what a complicated, less used, character means, but may guess at the intended meaning by looking at what parts the character itself is composed of.

Therefore, in Asia, people freely use characters for 'non-mnemonic' purposes, but rather for meaning.

It is exactly in this way that Symbol characters are used, and the reason why so many of them found a place in standard (pre-Unicode) Asian character sets and typography, but not in Western use.

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Re: ICANN's reviews and recommendations for IDN

Sorry Drewbert
の is a Japanese character.
I saw this too & thought about you guys that have invested in Symbols.
What some may not know is there are differences in rules with com registrations & ccTLDs (Some)
It makes me wonder about why the changes in the jp, & cn extension were done well, & seemingly a long ago & the com, & net takes so much time.
It's like suddenly last year somebody from ICANN said "IDNs dang, We never did meet about those thangs huh?, & Microsoft is gonna make a new browser when?"

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They're trying to shut the stable door well after the horse has bolted.

Plus outlawing other language's hyphens could be seen as discrimination.

Will they ban の ?
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Re: ICANN's reviews and recommendations for IDN

Every top level Registry gets to decide which characters or scripts are valid for registration.

In JP the policy was consistent from Day 1 of IDN registration (which itself went through a sunrise period in .jp so companies could get their trademarks in .jp — a few years ago). In .jp Kana and Kanji, Latin, and Numbers are allowed. That's it.

One of the less restrictive ccTLDs is .pl, which lets you register everything, not just Polish domains.

Europeans ccTLDs have often been more restrictive, keeping within their own languages.
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Re: ICANN's reviews and recommendations for IDN

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One of the less restrictive ccTLDs is .pl, which lets you register everything, not just Polish domains.
Now how long till we see EveryIDNYouEverwanted.pl
Start showing up?, Resist guys, it might only be 1, Don't let Friends Drink & Buy.
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Now how long till we see EveryIDNYouEverwanted.pl
Start showing up?, Resist guys, it might only be 1, Don't let Friends Drink & Buy.
Me and a few friends dipped into the .pl pool a few months ago. About time to get a market in Asian IDNs.pl going. :p
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Re: ICANN's reviews and recommendations for IDN

I'd probably like seeing some Polish.PL on the board than 全く関係ない漢字.pl

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