Phishing?

[Explorer]

Stuff like has probably been the reason for a 5 year IDN support wait.
http://crunchgear.com/2006/10/19/dom...le-affordable/

[blastfromthepast]

The thread advertising this sale was, um... deleted from this forum.

[thegenius1]

Sure was thanks to Olney , Blast and myself took a very vocal role in getting this type of garbage wiped out soon as it popped up on the radar screen. And from what i read apparently even EBay pulled it according to crunchgear

[Explorer]

Originally Posted by thegenius1

Sure was thanks to Olney , Blast and myself took a very vocal role in getting this type of garbage wiped out soon as it popped up on the radar screen. And from what i read apparently even EBay pulled it according to crunchgear

Thnx guys.

[jose]

I am to blame. I admit my guilt. I have discussed this with Olney already.

My judgment was wrong. I thought: If Microsoft doesn’t think it is phishing (ie7 considers it safe), why should I? I mean, domains like youtobe.com were recently sold for $40.000.

Youtube and Youtobe differ on the “o” and “u”. муspace.com and myspace.com differ on the “м” and “m”. It’s misleading you argue? Both are, I reply!

Next week there will be more news on this which I can’t disclose right now.

[OldIDNer]

that name could have only resolved as punycode right?

[Olney]

I respect your privacy Jose
& I certanly wasn't going to be the one to post who's domain it was.
Even if they made me eat Sushi, I wouldn't have let it out.
Hopefully the more news later isn't too severe.
I wish you the best with it.

[OldIDNer]

With cyrillic and latin added to language settings that name in full url form only resolves to punycode for me - IE7 I believe doesn't allow the mixing of cyrillic and latin in IDN to resolve in unicode form (the name itself is not resolving right now)

[jose]

Originally Posted by Olney

I respect your privacy Jose
& I certanly wasn't going to be the one to post who's domain it was.
Even if they made me eat Sushi, I wouldn't have let it out.
Hopefully the more news later isn't too severe.
I wish you the best with it.

Thanks Olney. There is one rule I follow ALL MY LIFE: HONESTY. I always tell the truth and have nothing to hide. There’s not one single member in here who can accuse me of saying one thing in PM and other on the clear.

MySpace whois was not private and everyone could check who the owner was.

[bramiozo]

Honesty is a real sign of character when the truth is ugly .

Olney doesn't like sushi, ok now thát's worth a topic !

[blastfromthepast]

Rеmеmbеr, mоѕt реорlе thіnk рhіѕhіng іѕ а mіѕѕрlеllіng mаdе by Mісrоѕоft'ѕ IΕ7 tеаm.

Jоѕé, yоu hаvе ѕоmе nісе сrеаtіvе іdеаѕ, thіѕ ϳuѕt wѕаn't рrасtісаl. Νо wоrrіеѕ.

[OldIDNer]

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[alex]

Originally Posted by bramiozo

Olney doesn't like sushi, ok now that's worth a topic !

Agreed.

[blastfromthepast]

Sushi. Sushi. Sushi.

[Rubber Duck]

Phishing is and always has been an ASCII problem. How can you have have phishing with IDN when there is very little browser support and the Unicode cannot be displayed. This phishing argument is very devicive. Phishing is largely about Americans, most of whom know nothing about IDN trying to defraud one another and then trying to blame it on people of different cultures.

I don't think what Jose has done is very clever, neither frankly was it very dangerous either.

It is time for the World to wake up to the fact that Phishing is a serious issue, but it is not and never has essentially been an IDN issue. The widespread introduction of IDN will, however, go a long way to ensure that this Western disease does not infect the whole of Asia.

What is disgraceful is the way that the ASCII community who consider registering Typo domains the culmination of human cultural development, then turn round and blame IDN for Phishing. What are Typos if they are not phishing. Yes, of course they are the acceptable ASCII side of the story. Hypocrits the lot of them!

[idn]

Just poor if you ask me, I think you guys are WAY too understanding.

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by idn

Just poor if you ask me, I think you guys are WAY too understanding.

By making a fuss out of it you will only reinforce the ASCII propoganda.

Typos are phishing. In the rest of the domain world Typo Artists are admired, respected and emulated by just about everyone. Jose didn't set out to defraud anyone, he was just messing about trying to manipulate a bit of traffic. Not very praiseworthy, but hardly the greatest crime against humanity.

On the other note, if you had gone out of your way to post one or two of your more strongly held view at GI, along with a few others, we might just have found the commitment to make things work. When you talk about being understanding, I know for a fact how much work Jose actually put in at GI. At least he got stuck in when it might have made a difference, rather than coming forward suggesting othe people offer blood after the corpse has been interned.

[idn]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

On the other note, if you had gone out of your way to post one or two of your more strongly held view at GI, along with a few others, we might just have found the commitment to make things work. When you talk about being understanding, I know for a fact how much work Jose actually put in at GI. At least he got stuck in when it might have made a difference, rather than coming forward suggesting othe people offer blood after the corpse has been interned.

Let me be straightforward and explain my recent comments.

You may view my statements as reactive rather than proactive, but to clarify, my comments were not directed at GotIdn, but towards a multilingual forum in general. I most certainly see a purpose for such a forum and I hate seeing anything with great potential falling apart.

I don’t see a reason normally to post such views, but sometimes I find it hard not to speak my mind when I believe people are making foolish decisions. I know you do not agree, but in mind there had to be a better option than just shutting the damn thing down. It is a rather defeatist approach if you ask me. I am sure there were many issues and problems, but that is usually the case when you get anything up and running, especially when it is such a new concept.

On another note, I was not an actively “contributing” member on your forum because I really had no vested interest. I am not an Admin, could not be a moderator and in its current state it provides little, if any, more value to me than this forum. At this point in time GotIdn does not offer anything substantially different in terms of content. The visitors and postings to me are similar except there is an occasional post by an admin or moderator in another language. GotIdn definitely had/has massive potential, but currently it is just another idnforums with better technology (only six weeks). If you guys would have stuck with it this might have changed rapidly.

Also, again speaking about vested interest, it could be argued that the success of GotIdn would ultimately provide great value for the entire idning community, but the admins would still reap the MOST benefits upon its success. And they should, for all the hard work and monetary contributions. How much do you think dnforum would sell for? I would expect somewhere at least well into the $xxx,xxx figures. If GotIdn would have been successful and truly brought in a multinational crowd that could speak in their native tongues it would have been worth 5 times that of dnforum.

In summary, since it does not provide additional monetary or content value for me I could not justify switching. I know you guys had plans, but the true international feel to the forum has not yet materialized. I am sure it would have eventually (again, only six weeks). Since they are both similar forums at this time I feel like I owe idnforums my devotion.



I hope I did not offend you, but recently you have been asking for feedback so I tried to provide some.

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by idn

Let me be straightforward and explain my recent comments.

You may view my statements as reactive rather than proactive, but to clarify, my comments were not directed at GotIdn, but towards a multilingual forum in general. I most certainly see a purpose for such a forum and I hate seeing anything with great potential falling apart.

I don’t see a reason normally to post such views, but sometimes I find it hard not to speak my mind when I believe people are making foolish decisions. I know you do not agree, but in mind there had to be a better option than just shutting the damn thing down. It is a rather defeatist approach if you ask me. I am sure there were many issues and problems, but that is usually the case when you get anything up and running, especially when it is such a new concept.

On another note, I was not an actively “contributing” member on your forum because I really had no vested interest. I am not an Admin, could not be a moderator and in its current state it provides little, if any, more value to me than this forum. At this point in time GotIdn does not offer anything substantially different in terms of content. The visitors and postings to me are similar except there is an occasional post by an admin or moderator in another language. GotIdn definitely had/has massive potential, but currently it is just another idnforums with better technology (only six weeks). If you guys would have stuck with it this might have changed rapidly.

Also, again speaking about vested interest, it could be argued that the success of GotIdn would ultimately provide great value for the entire idning community, but the admins would still reap the MOST benefits upon its success. And they should, for all the hard work and monetary contributions. How much do you think dnforum would sell for? I would expect somewhere at least well into the $xxx,xxx figures. If GotIdn would have been successful and truly brought in a multinational crowd that could speak in their native tongues it would have been worth 5 times that of dnforum.

In summary, since it does not provide additional monetary or content value for me I could not justify switching. I know you guys had plans, but the true international feel to the forum has not yet materialized. I am sure it would have eventually (again, only six weeks). Since they are both similar forums at this time I feel like I owe idnforums my devotion.



I hope I did not offend you, but recently you have been asking for feedback so I tried to provide some.

Yes, I understand what you are saying, but the point is in order to get to the local language communities we need to achieve the SERP ratings that could only come from the established community. Without that it was never going to happen. So what you are saying is that whilst you recognised the potential long-term benefit, you were not prepared to support it in the short-term, even though that support may have been required to achieve the benefit that you all ultimately desired. Instead you choose to be loyal to a forum that has not seen significant development since its inception. You then accuse those that have tried and failed of being short-sighted. I am sorry, but I just don't buy it.

[idn]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

You then accuse those that have tried and failed of being short-sighted. I am sorry, but I just don't buy it.

Not really at all, I actually thought I expressed how I believe the concept is quite visionary.

As I said yesterday, value would be shown once the natives arrived, but to prepare for their arrival many contributions from “visitors” need to be made. These two factors do not work well running concurrently.

Life does not always work the way you see it. You are suggesting people should support something because of its eventually "possible" success. A success shared by all, but at much different levels. I am saying most people think in present times and since they are not admins and will not benefit monetarily from the sucess of the forum itself, you have to offer them something they cannot receive elsewhere, regardless of the future. That could be simply concentrating on one market at a time. Maybe initially it would be an English/Japanese forum and your advertising efforts would be adjusted accordingly. Maybe in some ways I think the forum needed to take baby, yet influential, steps, rather than such a massive global approach.