São Tomé and Príncipe .com

[lyndonmaxewell]

São Tomé and Príncipe (country name)

Unicode: SãoToméandPríncipe.com
Punnycode: xn--sotomandprncipe-kkb0i9c.com
Language: English/Portuguese

It is the actual spelling of the country itself.
More information on the country: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A3..._Pr%C3%ADncipe

[jose]

I used to live on a street with that name. Sorry but it's São Tomé "e" Príncipe

[lyndonmaxewell]

Originally Posted by jose

Sorry but it's São Tomé "e" Príncipe

You are indeed ill-informed, jose. São Tomé and Príncipe is the exonym, while São Tomé "e" Príncipe is the endonym. Go figure it out before you give your take in future.

For example, Germany is an exonym, while Deutschland is an endonym for the same place. China is an exonym, while 中国 is an endonym.

Others, you know what i mean.

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by lyndonmaxewell

You are indeed ill-informed, jose. São Tomé and Príncipe is the exonym, while São Tomé "e" Príncipe is the endonym. Go figure it out before you give your take in future.

For example, Germany is an exonym, while Deutschland is an endonym for the same place. China is an exonym, while 中国 is an endonym.

Others, you know what i mean.

Yes, I understand what you mean, but of course there are often more than one exonyms.

Still not worth very much in my book.

[jose]

Originally Posted by lyndonmaxewell

You are indeed ill-informed, jose. São Tomé and Príncipe is the exonym, while São Tomé "e" Príncipe is the endonym. Go figure it out before you give your take in future.

For example, Germany is an exonym, while Deutschland is an endonym for the same place. China is an exonym, while 中国 is an endonym.

Others, you know what i mean.

I dont care about any xoxonym or whatever that is called. Big countries don't compare to small ones. What I do know is that I am native Portuguese and they speak Portuguese in São Tomé e Príncipe. Sonds real strange with the "and" in between. That was what I was taking about, as BECAUSE this was not an auction thread I felt I could post this here. That's all there is to it.

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by jose

I dont care about any xoxonym or whatever that is called. Big countries don't compare to small ones. What I do know is that I am native Portuguese and they speak Portuguese in São Tomé e Príncipe. Sonds real strange with the "and" in between. That was what I was taking about, as BECAUSE this was not an auction thread I felt I could post this here. That's all there is to it.

Oh, the AND is definitely used if you search Google, but most results including the BBC drop the accents. It would seem that EXONYM is an ASCII.

[Absalon]

Then I have the "endonym" - sãotoméepríncipe.com

Always fun to learn new words (endonym and exonym) but please remain polite and friendly - we're all rowing the same boat.

[lyndonmaxewell]

Sigh.. okay whatever you say, since its your opinion. I'm just stating that this is the common name for English-speaking people as well. So its an English exonym.

"São Tomé and Príncipe" - Google 24,000,000 search results
"São Tomé e Príncipe" - Google 2,190,000 search results

Sites that use "São Tomé and Príncipe" as above in the thread title:-

Official São Tomé and Príncipe Tourism site - http://www.saotome.st/
IMF (International Monetary Fund) - http://www.imf.org/external/country/STP/index.htm
World Bank - http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTE...382765,00.html
U.S Department of State - http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/5434.htm
São Tomé and Príncipe homepage - http://www.stome.com/
B.B.C - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/afr...es/1064541.stm
IANA - http://www.iana.org/root-whois/st.htm
WHO (World Health Organisation) - http://www.who.int/countries/stp/en/

Is there a need to argue further? Nope. LOL, a country name that is 'worthless'.
Yes, i can accept it.

[shearyadi]

I'm trying to get the name before but I'm afraid of the trademark infringements to registered any country name domains

[jose]

Originally Posted by Absalon

Then I have the "endonym" - sãotoméepríncipe.com

Always fun to learn new words (endonym and exonym) but please remain polite and friendly - we're all rowing the same boat.

I am cool. I just like to say what I feel. I am free to do so, no?
Sorry, (I mean it) if I offended someone.

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by lyndonmaxewell

Sigh.. okay whatever you say, since its your opinion. I'm just stating that this is the common name for English-speaking people as well. So its an English exonym.

"São Tomé and Príncipe" - Google 24,000,000 search results
"São Tomé e Príncipe" - Google 2,190,000 search results

Sites that use "São Tomé and Príncipe" as above in the thread title:-

Official São Tomé and Príncipe Tourism site - http://www.saotome.st/
IMF (International Monetary Fund) - http://www.imf.org/external/country/STP/index.htm
World Bank - http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTE...382765,00.html
U.S Department of State - http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/5434.htm
São Tomé and Príncipe homepage - http://www.stome.com/
B.B.C - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/afr...es/1064541.stm
IANA - http://www.iana.org/root-whois/st.htm
WHO (World Health Organisation) - http://www.who.int/countries/stp/en/

Is there a need to argue further? Nope. LOL, a country name that is 'worthless'.
Yes, i can accept it.

You have still choosen to ignore the fact that most of the Google Results you refer to using the AND do not use the ACCENTS. That is because English speakers generally do not have these available on the their keyboards. Most people, me included, would not type it in using the accents in a million years.

[Absalon]

Jose,


No not you, I was more refering to the other party actually.:p

Originally Posted by jose

I am cool. I just like to say what I feel. I am free to do so, no?
Sorry, (I mean it) if I offended someone.

[lyndonmaxewell]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

You have still choosen to ignore the fact that most of the Google Results you refer to using the AND do not use the ACCENTS. That is because English speakers generally do not have these available on the their keyboards. Most people, me included, would not type it in using the accents in a million years.

No, no i'm not trying to force anything, or that it is aways the form "typed in".

Originally Posted by jose

I used to live on a street with that name. Sorry but it's São Tomé "e" Príncipe

Just that i'm correcting the fact for dear jose is that the "AND" is indeed used with/without accents. He seems to think that only using "e" is absolute correct. Check the Atlas near you. Of course you are entitled to free speech.

In fact, only for countries São Tomé and Príncipe and Réunion are accents commonly used for english speakers.

[Absalon]

I would certainly hold on to that name LyndonMaxewell! Not half bad.

Originally Posted by lyndonmaxewell

In fact, only for countries São Tomé and Príncipe and Réunion are accents commonly used for english speakers.

[Rubber Duck]

Just checking the second character is only available on a portuguese or vietnamese keyboard, and I suspect that the latter will have a separate Unicoding. As portguese speakers would almost certainly never use AND, that would seem to limit the market a good deal.

[lyndonmaxewell]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

Just checking the second character is only available on a portuguese or vietnamese keyboard, and I suspect that the latter will have a separate Unicoding. As portguese speakers would almost certainly never use AND, that would seem to limit the market a good deal.

I agree. But the market is secondary for me. Just that i've proven my point that the actual name exists. That in itself, is well-satisfactory.

[bwhhisc]

Seems to be used in this fashion according to Google searches.
And only a $7.99 investment for a year to see if you get traffic or interested buyer over the next 12 months.

Google: Results 28,500,000 for "São Tomé and Príncipe".

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by bwhhisc

Seems to be used in this fashion according to Google searches.
And only a $7.99 investment for a year to see if you get traffic or interested buyer over the next 12 months.

Google: Results 28,500,000 for "São Tomé and Príncipe".

Yes, but most of the results are with the accents dropped and when Google gets its act together, which it will one day, these two sets of results will be reported separately.

[lyndonmaxewell]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

Yes, but most of the results are with the accents dropped and when Google gets its act together, which it will one day, these two sets of results will be reported separately.

Have they leaked any news on starting something like that yet? What's the 'near' possibility of it happening?

Originally Posted by bwhhisc

Seems to be used in this fashion according to Google searches.
And only a $7.99 investment for a year to see if you get traffic or interested buyer over the next 12 months.

Google: Results 28,500,000 for "São Tomé and Príncipe".

Agreed.

[Rubber Duck]

[QUOTE=lyndonmaxewell]Have they leaked any news on starting something like that yet? What's the 'near' possibility of it happening?
QUOTE]

No they have not, but as the whole point of search is to find what you are looking for, then it seems inevitable that they will. Search result that include mixed bags from various different languages simply because the algorythms do not differentiate between accented and non-accented forms is simply a throw back to when the Search Engine was first developed.

The advent of this will be forced to the top of the Agenda by all those clowns registering English words with random and pointless accenting, to take advantage of a big gapping whole in Google's Search filters. The only answer is to treat each accented form as an entirely different character and then display appropriate results. Google will do this because their credibility and integrity will demand it.