Question about ovt. w/japanese domains.

[sarcle]

Okay.  I found a domain that has some pretty impressive overture.

The domain is in this format.

"IDN Ext" ovt 2500  Note there is no dot between.
"IDN" ovt 1500
"Domain Ext 300  Note there is no dot between.
"Domain" 700

It has 600 google results with ext.  No link popularity.

It is a direct translation of a popular japanese  non IDN website it has an alexa ranking of 80,000.
This website does promote it as IDN.EXT yet they haven't registered it as such.

The domain is a generic word.

Would this domain be worth registering?  Do you think it will get traffic?  Let me know the pros and cons.  Thanks.

[Rubber Duck]

Sounds fairly impressive. Obviously, if the site is advertising the Keyword plus extension there is increased liklihood of traffic leakage.

If word is generic then there would not appear to be TM issues, but an obvious potential buyer.

We have no real information relating to traffic on IDN at this stage. Some keywords will give up to 100 hits a month at the moment, but beyond that you are in new territory.

It is not uncommon to get the "com" in the search and it has always appeared without the dot. Olney suggests, however, that it could mean something like "tool" to the Japanese.

I have generally be using 500K without extension as a purchasing criteria, but the situation here could justify registering with a lower score.

For $8 for a dot com, hell what do you have to loose!

Best Regards and Good Luck
Dave Wrixon

[sarcle]

Thanks for the reply. I will state this isn't a dot com so this will cost me a little cash, and that is the only thing holding me up.

As far as the ovt for the domain name alone it isn't to special and I wouldn't consider it if it didn't have the ext. and the alexa rating to back it up. I just wish this 7.0 was a for sure thing. . But I guess if it was we would have a pinch more compitition.

I thought about just listing it on Dnforum for availble ovt domains, but I know how they are when it comes to idn's. And 250f$ just isn't that whoopy for the potential of this domain. So I'm kind of in limbo on what to do.

I know about the 500,000 rule. But I myself think that is to stringent. if they have at least a 100k and the .com is there I am taking it, especially if the keyword is great. If there is 300k and it's available I take all ext.

[gammascalper]

If 7.0 was a sure thing, we would have much more competition

The domain you're targeting sounds promising. If we're talking a $150 experiment, the risk/reward would seem to justify it.

[sarcle]

Thanks.  Yeah.  I will go register it.  I don't know what I was thinking.  I am in a tight mood these past few days.

Thanks again for the info.

I'm not a major player in the domain game by any means. But I have made enough to invest a few grand in IDN's for future speculation. In reality that's all every single domain name is anyway. I suspect though if things do turn out well with 7.0 and beyond, all of us on this board will be having a meeting in asia somewhere deciding how we will run the Asian markets. I can dream at least.

[gammascalper]

I'm not a major player in the domain game by any means. But I have made enough to invest a few grand in IDN's for future speculation. In reality that's all every single domain name is anyway. I suspect though if things do turn out well with 7.0 and beyond, all of us on this board will be having a meeting in asia somewhere deciding how we will run the Asian markets. I can dream at least.

Stay optimistic as it may take a couple or a few years to bear some real fruit. I just keep telling myself "bank.com was registered for $70 about a decade ago" and that keeps me going!

[sarcle]

Originally Posted by gammascalper

Stay optimistic as it may take a couple or a few years to bear some real fruit. I just keep telling myself "bank.com was registered for $70 about a decade ago" and that keeps me going!

I have no doubt it will take some time.  7.0 is just the beginning.  Advertising, companies pushing these domains, ect. ect.  I am willing to hold and wait.  I don't need to snack on cheetos when I have a steak coming.
;D

It took many years for the .coms to become so precious.  Some have still yet to reach maturity.  The problem is most don't want to wait for that day and want to see a return immediatley.  And untill a few "major" sales are made the majority of domainers will bypass and write them off as they currently do with regular foreign domains.

[IDNCowboy]

Originally Posted by Dwrixon

Sounds fairly impressive. Obviously, if the site is advertising the Keyword plus extension there is increased liklihood of traffic leakage.

If word is generic then there would not appear to be TM issues, but an obvious potential buyer.

We have no real information relating to traffic on IDN at this stage. Some keywords will give up to 100 hits a month at the moment, but beyond that you are in new territory.

It is not uncommon to get the "com" in the search and it has always appeared without the dot. Olney suggests, however, that it could mean something like "tool" to the Japanese.

I have generally be using 500K without extension as a purchasing criteria, but the situation here could justify registering with a lower score.

For $8 for a dot com, hell what do you have to loose!

Best Regards and Good Luck
Dave Wrixon

darn all mine are 100K + overture... so none of them are worth regging? hehe

[gammascalper]

Originally Posted by Jeff

darn all mine are 100K + overture... so none of them are worth regging? hehe

100k+ ovt is excellent for generic one-word terms

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by gammascalper

100k+ ovt is excellent for generic one-word terms

Personally, I think the there is a pre-occupation with Overture. It is not the full picture, but as yet it is often the best measure that we have, so that's where the focus is.

I think Google Scores alone for a generic word with a valuable commercial meaning and some certainty over the translation is enough to justify a domain, even with little Overture sometimes.

I am not sure really whether the US overture scores are of great value. A lot depends who is putting them in. If it is speculators or even just those trying to learn more about the language, the information may not be that valuable. Overture was doing scores for Arabic a good 12 months before the language was indexed for search. Until we get Overture figures as we do for Japan that show what the locals are actually searching for, I think the jury is out.

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

[IDNCowboy]

Originally Posted by gammascalper

100k+ ovt is excellent for generic one-word terms

what about 2 word terms?

[touchring]

2 or 3 word terms often got higher OVT.

E.g. 'metal building' has a US OVT of 145,905, and 'building' only has an OVT of 52,437 (one-third).

Does this implies that metalbuilding.com is more valuable than building.com?    ;D

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by touchring

2 or 3 word terms often got higher OVT.

E.g. 'metal building' has a US OVT of 145,905, and 'building' only has an OVT of 52,437 (one-third).

Does this implies that metalbuilding.com is more valuable than building.com? ;D

Yes, any one trying to search for anything with any precision will type in 2 or 3 keywords to find what they want. That does not mean that combination of search terms will make a good domain keyword. Overture is an obcession with domainers and often thoroughly misleading.

Dave

[touchring]

It's only human to be greedy and be tempted by high OVT, myself i registered more than a few lengthy terms that are having high OVT and high bids.

[IDNCowboy]

me: I register anything i see above 100K before dave or touchring grab it :P