Seeing interest in Hebrew domains

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by Lmg67

"But this wouldn't exclude an American-Jewish-ACIIer form being the allaged portfolio buyer."

Yes I agree with you and with RD. It would make sense that it would be someone Jewish making this deal, b/c despite what I said above, Hebrew would be the language they would feel the strongest connection with. or it could be a Jewish businessman or philanthropist who travels to Israel a lot even though he/she doesn't speak Hebrew.

I guess we'll find out soon enough.

Actually, I dug up some stats for this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languag..._United_States

http://www.census.gov/population/cen...t37/tab01a.pdf

It would seem that there are nearly 200K speakers in the US and a similar number of Yiddish Speakers.

[Lmg67]

Those figures ask which language is spoken at home. If Hebrew is spoken at home, it means they are Israeli immigrants to America, of which there are quite a few. (I've read between 200k and 300k.)

Also that's why the questionnaire went on to ask how well they speak English, b/c they are Israeli and English is not their native tongue. The Yiddish speakers are mostly survivors of the Holocaust who immigrated here before or after the war. No one else really speaks Yiddish, although there are struggling attempts to revive it by young people.

So the stats aren't talking about American Jews. In fact, only 35% have ever visited Israel!

I think it's all pretty confusing, and this is my profession!

Jerry - Shhhh...Please don't talk about IDN.il !!!! My entire Hebrew investment would go down the drain! I hope that doesn't kick into gear for a long time. Have you heard something?

[261275]

No need to shhsh nothing...we are not investing in luck imo.

as for "heard something" i spoke to an isoc.org.il employee appx 1month ago...nothing will happen at least until icann knows what it wants to do.
and when that happens...it appears they wont have too many choices for the below reasons...



Like previously discussed on the possible extension that will be used for russian domains like .rf or .rus ( рф or рус )

In hebrew we might also see and likely will see a brand new extension with zero brand recognition which is good.

The reason is that the current extension is .co.il סי או איי אל is what it translates to in hebrew which is way too long...IF they will try to do it with only .il it will be איי אל which also is too long and consists of 2 parts.

on the other hand if they will just go with .com it will be קום. and .net is נט. - both much shorter (.com - 3char. and .net - 2char.) then the .co.il or the .il options...

[Lmg67]

"No need to shhsh nothing...we are not investing in luck imo."

I was having fun with Jerry...we're buddies...no need to take it so seriously!


If Israel does end up using the קום (.com) and (.net) נט, will they automatically be transferred onto our domains? or will they open up a whole new registration process for the IDN.IDN?

[261275]

Your מצווה.com will be מצווה.קום when/if Dname is implimented.

[Rubber Duck]

Thanks for the comment.

How, did Hebrew get kicked off in the first place in Israel? I guess most of the orginal immigrants did not actually speak Hebrew either?

Originally Posted by Lmg67

Those figures ask which language is spoken at home. If Hebrew is spoken at home, it means they are Israeli immigrants to America, of which there are quite a few. (I've read between 200k and 300k.)

Also that's why the questionnaire went on to ask how well they speak English, b/c they are Israeli and English is not their native tongue. The Yiddish speakers are mostly survivors of the Holocaust who immigrated here before or after the war. No one else really speaks Yiddish, although there are struggling attempts to revive it by young people.

So the stats aren't talking about American Jews. In fact, only 35% have ever visited Israel!

I think it's all pretty confusing, and this is my profession!

Jerry - Shhhh...Please don't talk about IDN.il !!!! My entire Hebrew investment would go down the drain! I hope that doesn't kick into gear for a long time. Have you heard something?

[261275]

The Hebrew language is existing from the beginning of times (the old testament is Hebrew, or more accurate it is Aramic) but the revival of the Hebrew languages and its modification to what we know as Hebrew pretty much started with an individual called Eliezer ben yehudah that immigrated to Israel on 1881 and started idn's

http://www.jafi.org.il/education/100.../beliezer.html

[Rubber Duck]

Sounds as though it was the revival of a complete dead language. That is truely astonishing.

[thefabfive]

Originally Posted by 261275

No need to shhsh nothing...we are not investing in luck imo.

as for "heard something" i spoke to an isoc.org.il employee appx 1month ago...nothing will happen at least until icann knows what it wants to do.
and when that happens...it appears they wont have too many choices for the below reasons...



Like previously discussed on the possible extension that will be used for russian domains like .rf or .rus ( рф or рус )

In hebrew we might also see and likely will see a brand new extension with zero brand recognition which is good.

The reason is that the current extension is .co.il סי או איי אל is what it translates to in hebrew which is way too long...IF they will try to do it with only .il it will be איי אל which also is too long and consists of 2 parts.

on the other hand if they will just go with .com it will be קום. and .net is נט. - both much shorter (.com - 3char. and .net - 2char.) then the .co.il or the .il options...

Doesn't really make sense for the .il registry to wait on ICANN. Does it really matter what ICANN chooses to do with .com and .net? The .il registry could take a hint from .cn and institute DNAME themselves. I think יל. would be fine for .il. It's not perfect but it's two characters and close enough to "i" and "l".

[261275]

It's all speculation...IMO יל wont be used...the pronunciation just sounds wrong.
putting our interests aside..dname is really what makes most sense by allowing true globalization of the Internet yet giving each country it's identity..

Another problem they face is the countries that use the same alphabet like Cyrillic is used in Russia,belarus,Ukraine,bulgaria etc.

I don't like using unverified sources but they are waiting for icann based on the person claiming to be monitoring this area in the isoc.org.il office.

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by Lmg67

"No need to shhsh nothing...we are not investing in luck imo."

I was having fun with Jerry...we're buddies...no need to take it so seriously!


If Israel does end up using the קום (.com) and (.net) נט, will they automatically be transferred onto our domains? or will they open up a whole new registration process for the IDN.IDN?

You must have been chatting to those idiots in the REAL IDN and TRUE IDN movements. The ones that think everything is still to play for.

Next time you take advice, make sure your "consultant" can read, has follow the scenario and understands the rudiments of the law.

[Drewbert]

>The .il registry could take a hint from .cn and institute DNAME themselves.

I think you'll find that a large number of ccTLD operators signed one-sided agreements with ICANN (a provision to have required changes placed into the root zone file) that make them vaseline recepticles. Those ccTLD"s could not do DNAME without ICANN approval.

Not sure .il is one of the said ccTLD's, but quite likely they are. Not many ccTLD's were able to avoid signing the contract.

Just as an example, governments in Latin America who wanted to sign on to NAFTA and suchlike had to force their ccTLD manager to sign the ICANN contract before they could sign into NAFTA.

[burnsinternet]

Originally Posted by Lmg67

Jerry - Shhhh...Please don't talk about IDN.il !!!! My entire Hebrew investment would go down the drain! I hope that doesn't kick into gear for a long time. Have you heard something?

If idn.il shows up, I think it would only help your portfolio, Laurie. You would just vacuum up the idn.il like you did the hebrew .coms! You have one of the top Hebrew portfolios in the world, if not THE top portfolio. I can't imagine what you would do to the .il crowd!

By the way, who is your consultant? I need some free advice!

[Lmg67]

Thanks for the nice words Jerry. Exaggerated but nice! Tonight I found an Israeli IDN website (which only showed the punycode - why? i'm using mozilla) where the owner talked up IDNs and said "we're finally on the map!" I imagine most non-English speakers feel similarly.

He had a very small portfolio, but probably the world's best. Single words like (I'm looking at his domains as I write): hotels, cars, loans, mortgages, apartments, dating, headlines, tickets, internet, vacation, security, lawyer, medicine, flowers, wines, gambling, maps, job, furniture, toys, children, banks, gifts, studies, radio, clothing, entertainment, jewelry, real estate, trips, and fashion. Maybe he's the seller negotiating the 7-figure deal!

I think RD was speaking to 261275 when he mentioned the consultant. Cuz I didn't say anything about a consultant.

RD just to refer back to Hebrew for a sec, you are right, it is completely astonishing that Hebrew was not only revived recently but it's also very different from Biblical Hebrew. So a modern language was developed from the roots of an ancient language in a very short period of time. Israel is still constantly adding new words to Hebrew; some work themselves easily into the language by the public, and others get tossed out b/c they didn't successfully integrate into the language as spoken by Mr. and Mrs. Joe Israeli.

OK here's my question: Would it be dangerous for me to register in Hebrew the names of the Palestinian terrorist organizations? Meaning Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Fatah? They'd be worth a ton of money but would they kill me first? (half joking) Is there any way I'd be in danger?

[burnsinternet]

Originally Posted by Lmg67

OK here's my question: Would it be dangerous for me to register in Hebrew the names of the Palestinian terrorist organizations? Meaning Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Fatah? They'd be worth a ton of money but would they kill me first? (half joking) Is there any way I'd be in danger?

I am the worst one to answer this, cuz I care about you, but... Why risk it? Unless you have a specific use, why do you want them? Do you mean they are worth a lot in PPC?

[Lmg67]

No, I meant that somebody will want to buy them, I was thinking from the organization itself, so they could be in control of the content or just not use it. But you're probably right. why risk it. thanks jerry.

ok well if anyone wants those names, let me know and i'll send them your way. first come, first served.

[261275]

Laurie, what is the url for the hebrew site you found?
Please also send me a list of the names you are refering to.

[touchring]

Originally Posted by Lmg67

Would it be dangerous for me to register in Hebrew the names of the Palestinian terrorist organizations? Meaning Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Fatah? They'd be worth a ton of money but would they kill me first? (half joking) Is there any way I'd be in danger?

I thikn they'd serve u a WIPO for trademark infringement.


Complainant:

Hamas (Arabic: حركة حماس‎; acronym: Arabic: حركة المقاومة الاسلامية‎, or Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiyya or "Islamic Resistance Movement"; the Arabic acronym means "zeal") is a Palestinian Sunni Islamist organization that currently (since January 2006) forms the majority party of the Palestinian National Authority.[1]

Created in 1987 by Shaikh Ahmed Yassin of the Gaza wing of the Muslim Brotherhood at the beginning of the First Intifada, Hamas is known outside the Palestinian territories for its suicide bombings[2] and other attacks directed against Israeli civilians, as well as military and security forces targets. Hamas' charter (written in 1988 and still in effect) calls for the destruction of the State of Israel and its replacement with a Palestinian Islamic state in the area that is now Israel, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip.[3][4][5] The charter states: "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad."[6]

Respondent:

Laurie. School teacher.....

[burnsinternet]

Or someone would just issue a fatwa. Much cheaper than WIPO.

[Lmg67]

Ha! Fatwa saying what? Kill me? Oy.

Touchring, easy case. Hamas means "zeal" as you wrote above. It's an everyday word. I would buy the name to express my zeal for the State of Israel, not for its destruction, so I'd be using the name in a very different way! Wouldn't Hamas love to have a website that's filled with Israeli flags and Zionist quotes and links to every pro-israel website on the internet to counter all their Israel hatred links, and a huge photo front and center of Theodor Herzl, founder of Zionism, and the national anthem HaTikvah playing when you open the page??!!!! Now THAT'S a Hamas website! (I'd win the TM case hands down.)

Moshe I'll PM you those names tonight when I get home. They're on a Word document in my laptop so I don't have them at work. If you buy them, be sure to use a fake name or "mask" yourself as I just learned we can do in Whois.