Monikers March Auction To Include IDNs

[blackops]

Originally Posted by sunsei21

i have a few acii ill submit and might be able to find a few idns that could make it too i guess its worth a try at least they will know that idns are out there and are being accepted more and more.

Yes. The more IDN's that are submitted the better!

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by blackops

Yes. The more IDN's that are submitted the better!

Not sure about that. A few of good quality might have far more impact.

No doubt the popcorn throwers will be out in force. Let's not give them too much ammunition.

[bramiozo]

gongsi.com ?

[Rubber Duck]

Frankly, I am nearly as sceptical as you are, but a lot depends on who is making the calls here. We know Monte has a positive IDN Agenda. I think we should give him Tacit support, but put the emphasis on his persuading us that we want to throw our lot in here. I feel that TRAFFICS and Moniker are the ones with a case to prove. I saw some comment on DNFs about thanking Uncle Rick for participating. We are agreeing to a 15% commission. It is still very far from certain, whether inclusion will mean much more than ritual humilation. I think it is very early days to be handing out thank-you.

I am, however, not inclined to suggest that we should brush this off without giving people the chance to show what they can achieve. I suspect and hope that Monte at least would like to see some IDN in the Live Auction. It is always possible that he will use his significant crebility with TRAFFICS to persuade them to give him a little air-time to inform others what all this is about.

It is a question of carrot and stick. I have been weilding the big stick a bit lately, and perhaps it is time to show a bit of the carrot, even perhaps a bit or two, but ask yourself how much movement you are going to get out of a donkey that is stuffed full of carrots.

Originally Posted by sarcle

I'm in total agreement with this.

There is only so many times that you can show people that these domains do get high SE rankings, do have bids, do have overture and some with extension that is quite high. And tell them the only reason for no type-in's is because of the very thing that's going to hit between now and then.

Then have the organizer at the same time say revenue stream "who cares" about .mobi and then say it will take years to get interest in IDN in almost the same breath. I'm a little skeptical.

It's just not enough time for this first auction. I'm sitting it out myself.

Not looking for a flame war, just looking for people's thoughts.

[Drewbert]

Originally Posted by bramiozo

gongsi.com ?

Before the market matures?

Before IE7 is widespread?

Don't think so, buddy!

Personally, I'm not intending to sell any IDN's until the market has matured and I know which ones are generating revenue, and which ones will be valued higher by others than me.

I've got some ASCII sales on the boil, but those are names whose future value is a lot easier to calculate.

[sarcle]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

Frankly, I am nearly as sceptical as you are, but a lot depends on who is making the calls here. We know Monte has a positive IDN Agenda. I think we should give him Tacit support, but put the emphasis on his persuading us that we want to throw our lot in here. I feel that TRAFFICS and Moniker are the ones with a case to prove. I saw some comment on DNFs about thanking Uncle Rick for participating. We are agreeing to a 15% commission. It is still very far from certain, whether inclusion will much more than ritual humilation. I think it is very early days to be handing out thank-you.

I am, however, not inclined to suggest that we should brush this off without giving people the chance to show what they can achieve. I suspect and hope that Monte at least would like to see some IDN in the Live Auction. It is always possible that he will use his significant crebility with TRAFFICS to persuade them to give him a little air-time to inform others what all this is about.

It is a question of carrot and stick. I have been weilding the big stick a bit lately, and perhaps it is time to show a bit of the carrot, even perhaps a bit or two, but ask yourself how much movement you are going to get out of a donkey that is stuffed full of carrots.

I do have several premium single keyword names that could be listed in that auction for sure. That in the Ascii world would fetch high XXX.XXX; according to the sales of dnjournal. Turns out they have similar ovt and on some even higher bids.

I had some doubts. Without question had doubts about IDN even as I invested I weighed all the risks from all angles even right up to worrying about IDN.IDN. But now it's 100% clear to me that IDN will succeed even without the help of these ascii clowns.

It's hard to go against the grain and be the "outsider" as everyone tells you, you are wrong. I'm sure you know the feeling of this Dave. If you didn't have questions and didn't have worries getting into this then you are either crazy, blind, or deaf.

Now though with hosted sites I can see the premium rankings and see the revenue from adsense and finally see that Japanese do type-in (IDN.com) Hell I'm even getting Thai searches for Thai (IDN.com). These put all my doubts away that IDN will be a success whether this auction or even Rick has anything to say about it. But just trying to show them brought out sneers, and snide reactions.

I personally am not in this for the reseller market, I know many of us here are. But I'd much rather sale my premiums to a company than a flipper. Hell, now I'm looking at a serious business venture, to make real IDN sites. I will of course sell what I don't want; and sell what I need to to make sure I have full control over my premiums, I might even list one or two premiums to help fuel the IDN market. But to these clowns this early in the game? I'd rather watch a premium here sell for $1500 to a real idner than give Rick, or any asciier the satisfaction of scooping up an entire portfolio for pennies.

I'll end this with a favorite philosopher of mine own:

"If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end in doubts, but if he will content to begin with doubts, he shall end in certainties."
Sir Francis Bacon

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by sarcle

If you didn't have questions and didn't have worries getting into this then you are either crazy, blind, or deaf.

I may very well be all of those things, but I am right!

[sarcle]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

I may very well be all of those things, but I am right!

Yes, you do get the satisfaction of saying this. You have earned it. After this is all over (Vista and full Asian IE7 release) and we get to finally have our first IDN meeting; I would like to have someone measure your balls as they are surely of great "proportions" hell maybe even made of steel.

[Wot]

Originally Posted by sarcle

Yes, you do get the satisfaction of saying this. You have earned it. After this is all over (Vista and full Asian IE7 release) and we get to finally have our first IDN meeting; I would like to have someone measure your balls as they are surely of great "proportions" hell maybe even made of steel.

[jose]

I have been reading the auctions rules and noticed there is no IDN specific rules.

I am sure Moniker knows there are many issues about IDN that don't apply to ASCII domains, and must have already found a way to deal with them.

My first question is a very simple one: Who's responsable for the accuracy of the translations?

[zenmarketing]

I think the buyer should be responsible for verifying the accuracy of the translations.

Of course, this might open up a whole new market of international domain consulting. Once English-speaking investors realize they want to be investing in IDN's, they may need to rely on trusted outside consulting companies that will advise them on translations and other local market or culture issues.

[blastfromthepast]

With all due respect to Moniker,

3. Auction threads should include a minimum of IDN, punycode, language(s), English translation, starting price and bid increments. A buy it now price may also be specified. It must also state the terms of how the auction ends.

This is not an Auction thread and is starting to get in the way of live auctions. Could it be moved to discussion or news?

[261275]

Originally Posted by zenmarketing

I think the buyer should be responsible for verifying the accuracy of the translations.

Of course, this might open up a whole new market of international domain consulting. Once English-speaking investors realize they want to be investing in IDN's, they may need to rely on trusted outside consulting companies that will advise them on translations and other local market or culture issues.

idntranslations.com and idntr.com Taken

[jose]

Originally Posted by blastfromthepast

With all due respect to Moniker,

3. Auction threads should include a minimum of IDN, punycode, language(s), English translation, starting price and bid increments. A buy it now price may also be specified. It must also state the terms of how the auction ends.

I am sure this has all already been thought about, we just don't know it yet. Or else... or else I don't see IDNs on the Live auction a reality. Mark my words.

Who's going to announce it live and how? Now for sell we have...

[blastfromthepast]

Originally Posted by jose

I am sure this has all already been thought about, we just don't know it yet. Or else... or else I don't see IDNs on the Live auction a reality. Mark my words.

Who's going to announce it live and how? Now for sell we have...

I'm talking about this thread being in the wrong part of the forum.

[jose]

Originally Posted by zenmarketing

I think the buyer should be responsible for verifying the accuracy of the translations.

Of course, this might open up a whole new market of international domain consulting. Once English-speaking investors realize they want to be investing in IDN's, they may need to rely on trusted outside consulting companies that will advise them on translations and other local market or culture issues.

As all of us here have found the hard way it's not only a matter of translation. You can have a 100% correctly translated term and it's never used on the sense you thought it would. It's a cultural issue. We don't need IDN Translations, we need IDN certificates!

[zenmarketing]

Yep, Jose, that's exactly what I was referring to when I said "other local market or culture issues."

You're right, it's a lot more than translation.

[Olney]

Thread moved to News section

[Alphamale]

There are 3 outcomes to this:

1. some good names get submitted to auction. some sell. we all come out smelling of roses. Mission complete.

2. some good names get submitted to auction. none sell. the naysers use it as ammunition, and the mud slinging gets taken to a whole new level.

3. no names, or not enough names get submitted. same as above.


I hope for (1), but expect (2) or (3), more likely (3).

don't mean to put a downspin on this, just being realistic.

[JColson]

Originally Posted by sarcle

Yes, you do get the satisfaction of saying this. You have earned it. After this is all over (Vista and full Asian IE7 release) and we get to finally have our first IDN meeting; I would like to have someone measure your balls as they are surely of great "proportions" hell maybe even made of steel.

Sarcle you continue to excel - do you envisage this as a public event or by invitation only?