Monikers March Auction To Include IDNs

[dave_5]

Originally Posted by Drewbert

Before the market matures?

Before IE7 is widespread?

Don't think so, buddy!

Personally, I'm not intending to sell any IDN's until the market has matured and I know which ones are generating revenue, and which ones will be valued higher by others than me.

I've got some ASCII sales on the boil, but those are names whose future value is a lot easier to calculate.

Same here! too early to sell...

[Rubber Duck]

Well, I think we need to be pragmatic here, to some degree, and I am prepared to assist in developing the market. We are, however, be invited into to what is undoubtedly currently a hostile environment with no assurances of safe passage. I don't want to be seen to be undermining Monte's efforts here, but I think we need to be thrown a bone before we roll over to have our tummies tickled.

[blackops]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

Well, I think we need to be pragmatic here, to some degree, and I am prepared to assist in developing the market. We are, however, be invited into to what is undoubtedly currently a hostile environment with no assurances of safe passage. I don't want to be seen to be undermining Monte's efforts here, but I think we need to be thrown a bone before we roll over to have our tummies tickled.

It is hostile, and that's largely because of you shouting your mouth off over at DNF.

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by blackops

It is hostile, and that's largely because of you shouting your mouth off over at DNF.

Don't kid yourself. It has always been that way.

Check out the back threads with Olney and Edwin at DNF.

Most conventional domainers are shocked and affronted by IDN. Others because they feel they conflict with their business strategy wish to undermine the whole project. Rick as been making overtures to try to split the IDN community. Some here have clearly fell for it hook line and sinker.

[seamo]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

Rick as been making overtures to try to split the IDN community.

Well then let's not get sucker-punched into falling for his plan.

If we can all stop mud-slinging each other for just a moment, we might be able to appreciate the great strides the IDN market has taken in the last 24 months.

And these strides have occurred because of the groundwork of a few individuals, namely Dave, Craig & Edwin. You all deserve our community's respect, and this community needs all of your imput to continue to grow.

We may not see eye to eye on all issues, and we may handle situations differently, but let's not bloody well implode this close to our goals being reached.

I think a virulant strain of 'cabin fever' has broken out.

Let's curb it by keeping the venom out of our comments guys.

[blackops]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

Rick as been making overtures to try to split the IDN community. Some here have clearly fell for it hook line and sinker.

This is clearly a reference to me, and that's fine, but what do you mean exactly... how has he tried to undermine the IDN community? (and if he is guilty of this, why on earth would anyone want to submit names to his TRAFFIC event?)

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by blackops

This is clearly a reference to me, and that's fine, but what do you mean exactly... how has he tried to undermine the IDN community? (and if he is guilty of this, why on earth would anyone want to submit names to his TRAFFIC event?)

Actually, it wasn't specifically but there is a political game going on and we all need to be aware of that.

The US and China, are they allies? Do they see eye to eye? Do they have shared values and agendas? No probably not. Do they trade? Yes of course they do?

I am not interest in whether Rick or anyone else likes me. If they are deliberately or through shear negligence hindering my business development, then they cannot expect me to take that lying down. I try to be helpful and fair, but I not going to agree with people just for a quiet life.

I am prepared to sell names at TRAFFICS and pay commission and even enhance Rick's standing into the bargain, if it suits my business agenda to do so. I will not do it in any volume, however, when he has ensured that we get all the consideration that a buyer might normally expect. I have no reason to look down on Rick, nor do I consider I have any reason to pay hommage to him. At the moment, he is the self professed leader of our Industry, unelected, and in my view total unqualified. I would prefer to see us all ASCII domainers alike part of a much more inclusive profession, with more accountability at the top level.

We are part of an Industry that is now assuming Global Dimensions. From a perspective of what appears to be of engrained self-interest, Rick has chosen to date to put the whole IDN community out in the cold. I have challenged that line of action and Rick has behave like a corner and injured wildcat, lashing out in all directions. If he is prepared to face the inevitable in a meaningful time frame, then we can all get back to business and we can leave the structuring of the profession to those that are eminently more qualified than I.

[Drewbert]

Jesus wept.

Pull your head's in, people! Between this and the other thread (shakes head).

WAY WAY to early to be putting IDN's into an auction with as much attention as Moniker's one gets.

[gonsi].com went for $10k at snap 4 months ago. Nothing really has changed on the IDN front since then.

joystick.com is on snap today and it's at $50k with an hour to go.

The future value of those 2 domains have no comparison.

The only way I see any good news from putting an IDN in the current auction would be if someone put in one of the German or French IDN's that is already receiving bulk traffic and making serious revenue (backed by stats).

And if I owned one of THOSE< there's NO WAY I'd be auctioning it off, before the market matures.

PULL YOUR HEADS IN, BUCKLE DOWN AND WAIT.

If you can't make renewals, quietly offer one or two names for sale to people who know what they're worth, enough to pay for the renewal on the rest of your good names. Stop panicking and thinking you can actually have any POSITIVE effect on the market.

[sarcle]

Originally Posted by Drewbert

Jesus wept.

Pull your head's in, people! Between this and the other thread (shakes head).

PULL YOUR HEADS IN, BUCKLE DOWN AND WAIT.

Stop panicking and thinking you can actually have any POSITIVE effect on the market.

Today a young man, a well known domainer, shot 5 people in a killing spree brought on by the anxiety of his investments. News at 11.

The market hasn't arrived. It won't arrive until the majority has full access to these names. No matter what we do until then will have no signifigant impact on this market at all. I've been reading ton's of posts where it seems people are ready to jump out of windows. I myself have been waiting a year and a half. I know some since the very beginning. You are telling me you can't wait 3 more months for the Vista and the Asian IE7 update?

Calm down, and have some dip everyone. The market will arrive, give it some f-ing time.

[bwhhisc]

Originally Posted by Drewbert

WAY WAY to early to be putting IDN's into an auction with as much attention as Moniker's one gets. [gonsi].com went for $10k at snap 4 months ago. Nothing really has changed on the IDN front since then. joystick.com is on snap today and it's at $50k with an hour to go. The future value of those 2 domains have no comparison.

The only way I see any good news from putting an IDN in the current auction would be if someone put in one of the German or French IDN's that is already receiving bulk traffic and making serious revenue (backed by stats).
And if I owned one of THOSE< there's NO WAY I'd be auctioning it off, before the market matures.

I agree totally with Drew. This is a pretty high profile event, and there perhaps more to lose than gain in the bigger picture if there is little or no interest at all, especially if reserves are set too high.

Not saying that I don't think a few submissions would be good, just that the way these domainers seem to calculate multiples of earnings and ROI, something with traffic and revenue might have a better chance at auction.

[touchring]

Originally Posted by Drewbert

Stop panicking and thinking you can actually have any POSITIVE effect on the market.

Quoting Laotzi, Father of Taoism.

The Tao abides in non-action,
Yet nothing is left undone.
If kings and lords observed this,
The ten thousand things would develop naturally.
If they still desired to act,
They would return to the simplicity of formless substance.
Without form there is no desire.
Without desire there is tranquillity.
In this way all things would be at peace.

[Rubber Duck]

Drewbert is absolutely right. This is not really time to take the Fatted Sow to market.

It is, however, time to find out a bit more about the process and try to get a bit of pre-sale publicity going. May be in even get to know the Auctioneer a bit. Perhaps even mend a few fences, if the atmosphere is right.

Putting a domain in with an unachievable reserve is not a disaster as long as it is just the odd one and the message is clear that the waters are being tested.

Putting in hundreds of low value domains that would just swamp the silent auction is a complete waste of time. We need to try to get the odd one in the live auction and at least get some people trying to work out what it is they are looking at.

Just think of this as a dry run.

[sarcle]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

Just think of this as a dry run.

A dry run or a dry hump depending on how you want to look at it. I just don't want to be left raw afterwards without a kiss goodbye.

Like I said in the beginning this auction won't change anything no matter the outcome. Whether IDNs are booed of stage or taken in. It won't change the delivery of Vista, it won't change the auto-update of IE7. Won't change the rankings, overture scores, bids, or anything else.

Only the adaptation of the people switching to their own native language will. This is what we are speculating on and why we are here. And we are about to find out very soon.

[Wot]

I will bet that there will be a significant number of IDN's submitted for auction - those of you with a lot of "big" names have nothing to lose by throwing one or two out for testing - put in a sensible reserve and see if there is a ride to be had.

[Drewbert]

There's the rub. Moniker's idea of a sensible reserve is probably going to be a lot lower than what I would call a sensible reserve for an A grade IDN.

[Wot]

Originally Posted by Drewbert

There's the rub. Moniker's idea of a sensible reserve is probably going to be a lot lower than what I would call a sensible reserve for an A grade IDN.

If you don't play the chances are zero - go for it- the IDN doors will open sooner or later - this could make it sooner.

[touchring]

I think the fish.com thing has gotten people excited over auctions. Hope we won't see crab.com or squid.com appearing on moniker.

[ThaiBoy]

Originally Posted by Wot

I will bet that there will be a significant number of IDN's submitted for auction - those of you with a lot of "big" names have nothing to lose by throwing one or two out for testing - put in a sensible reserve and see if there is a ride to be had.

I agreed, all we need is big sellers and buyers to promote IDNs. Any big IDN players willing to trade their names at the event? 15% commision fee to get news and show their value to the crowd, it would boost IDNs a lot

[yanni]

Originally Posted by ThaiBoy

Any big IDN players willing to trade their names at the event? 15% commision fee to get news and show their value to the crowd, it would boost IDNs a lot

That's illegal though...

[sunsei21]

well i hope everyone that is submitting names has a small list ready i opted to stay away from my Asian names for obvious reasons. but i happen to have a few German idns that went with a group of names that i decided to throw in.

Originally Posted by bwhhisc

I agree totally with Drew. This is a pretty high profile event, and there perhaps more to lose than gain in the bigger picture if there is little or no interest at all, especially if reserves are set too high.

Not saying that I don't think a few submissions would be good, just that the way these domainers seem to calculate multiples of earnings and ROI, something with traffic and revenue might have a better chance at auction.

well i hope they are have a open minded because these are not traffic names lol