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Old 4th February 2007, 06:44 AM
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Re: Is IE7 for IDNs here yet? Please share stats. Thks.

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OK. I knuckled down and pulled out some better stats. These are uniques now, so the ratios are more accurate.

France:
Week # IE6 IE7 FF (%ages)
5-2007 48 41 11
4-2007 49 39 12
3-2007 49 39 12
2-2007 52 37 12
1-2007 51 38 11
52-2006 53 37 10
51-2006 58 32 11
50-2006 64 26 10
49-2006 77 12 11
48-2006 85 5 10
47-2006 87 2 10
46-2006 87 2 11
45-2006 88 2 10
44-2006 89 1 10

If someone wants to make a purdy graph, go ahead.

Now, looking at one of my French domains that gets regular type-in traffic, it's traffic has gone up by 130% over that time.

Not the 400% increase you would expect if the original traffic was just from Firefox users.

This suggests one of 2 things to me:

1. A not insignificant number of IE6 users had the IDN plugin installed, so were making it to the site prior to the release of IE7.

and/or

2. The special version of IE7 released by Wannadoo/Orange does NOT append .com to the end of keywords typed into the address bar, so the traffic increase is only IE7 AU upgrades.


I'm really desapointed about all the statements there.


- Based on our french portfolio (very diversified, only generic names) traffic was high before IE7 and Vista and is still at same level !

-Wannadoo/Orange are access provider and not browser provider, don't mix french telecoms and browsers

Please stop giving the illusion that IDN are flying now as it is not the case yet.

I by myself had a lot of hopes on IE7 but noted that IDNs are a much more complicated matter as to register a country name in swahili and wait for the cash.


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Old 4th February 2007, 06:55 AM
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I'm really desapointed about all the statements there.


- Based on our french portfolio (very diversified, only generic names) traffic was high before IE7 and Vista and is still at same level !

-Wannadoo/Orange are access provider and not browser provider, don't mix french telecoms and browsers

Please stop giving the illusion that IDN are flying now as it is not the case yet.

I by myself had a lot of hopes on IE7 but noted that IDNs are a much more complicated matter as to register a country name in swahili and wait for the cash.


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The reality is that Latin IDN which are by no means essential especially in languages like French where all accents are dropped in the Capitalised Form was always going to be a much harder sell than in Languages such as Chinese and Russian where a completely different script was evident. As in many cases Firefox already had about a third of the browser market, the upside of an IE7 launch was going to be limited. OK, Korea is beset with problems related to ActiveX, but when a country goes from 99.9% IE6 penetration to near zero in a short period of time the impact is likely to be much more deeply felt.

The ISP argument is a valid one. I don't know about Wannadoo, but some providers notably AOL have always had their own browser tool. Some ISPs will have browser tools that are adaptations of IE6. When these upgrade to later variants then you might expect a huge increase in IDN support. It is pretty certain that those already on Firefox don't use such tools, but that have been logged as IE6 may well do so.
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Re: Is IE7 for IDNs here yet? Please share stats. Thks.

> -Wannadoo/Orange are access provider and not browser provider, don't mix french telecoms and browsers

They offer a downloadable browser desktop search extension (compatitble with ie6/ie7/Firefox) on their main page, so that screws THAT theory.

http://desktopsearch.orange.fr/

If you think that tool isn't interfering with type-in traffic to IDN domains in France, I'd like to see some proof.
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> -Wannadoo/Orange are access provider and not browser provider, don't mix french telecoms and browsers

They offer a downloadable browser desktop search extension (compatitble with ie6/ie7/Firefox) on their main page, so that screws THAT theory.
I think you will find a lot of Pet Theories are about to get screwed, including the one that Latin IDNs are somehow worth more than Asian IDN. It would seem almost certain that the converse will prove to be the case.

Looking forward to telling Tim to shove his Sedo Pro where the sun don't shine!

I think there is also a strong likelihood that similar tools are distorting the picture in China and Japan and elsewhere!
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Re: Is IE7 for IDNs here yet? Please share stats. Thks.

> Based on our french portfolio (very diversified, only generic names) traffic was high before IE7 and Vista and is still at same level !

Which may just prove my theory that local versions of ie7 in France are not passing through type-in's to the .com of the keyword.

How about you install ie7 French version on your PC, download the orange.fr browser extension, then type "univisión" and tell us what happens?
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> Based on our french portfolio (very diversified, only generic names) traffic was high before IE7 and Vista and is still at same level !

Which may just prove my theory that local versions of ie7 in France are not passing through type-in's to the .com of the keyword.

How about you install ie7 French version on your PC, download the orange.fr browser extension, then type "univisión" and tell us what happens?
Could even be that the browser extensions have included a Punycode Converter for sometime!

Even the ones showing as IE6 on the log may have IDN compatibility.
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Re: Is IE7 for IDNs here yet? Please share stats. Thks.

Found a December French article with stats on IE7 and FF2.


http://translate.google.com/translat...language_tools

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This suggests one of 2 things to me:

1. A not insignificant number of IE6 users had the IDN plugin installed, so were making it to the site prior to the release of IE7.

and/or

2. The special version of IE7 released by Wannadoo/Orange does NOT append .com to the end of keywords typed into the address bar, so the traffic increase is only IE7 AU upgrades.

No, i think it's SE, a significant amount of PPC comes from SE - i've already suspected as much and now the effect is showing up in terms of lower multiples.

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Re: Is IE7 for IDNs here yet? Please share stats. Thks.

The Golden Pig on Fire (elementally) is officially here now, but I.E. 7 isn't quite here yet? Well, I'm still on I.E. 6 la....Without having to admit it, you know I am a complete 'cyber-bumpkin'/'cyber-alien' trying to keep up here. So, are you suggesting that Arabic IDNs are currently doing the best from the list below.

Arabic
Russian
Simplified Chinese
Farsi
Thai
German
Azeri

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The Golden Pig on Fire (elementally) is officially here now, but I.E. 7 isn't quite here yet? Well, I'm still on I.E. 6 la....Without having to admit it, you know I am a complete 'cyber-bumpkin'/'cyber-alien' trying to keep up here. So, are you suggesting that Arabic IDNs are currently doing the best from the list below.

Arabic
Russian
Simplified Chinese
Farsi
Thai
German
Azeri

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I picked Azeri to invest in as Azerbajan is going to be a very rich nation due to Oil Reserves in the Caspian Sea. The onshore resources were largely played out during the Soviet Era and they got little benefit, especially as there was no pipeline to the West. Now they can pump out through Turkey and they are in charge of ther own destiny. Turkmenistan is also interesting for similar reasons although their reserves are mainly Gas.

Azeri is also interesting because some names are strictly ASCII and still unregistered. Of course with minor languages the real attraction is in the shear quality of the names.

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I remember an old thread predicting a 200 fold increase of Japanese traffic when ie7 is wholy out and used. If that is true, I will simply make one million per year from only one of my Japanese domains.
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I remember an old thread predicting a 200 fold increase of Japanese traffic when ie7 is wholy out and used. If that is true, I will simply make one million per year from only one of my Japanese domains.

You have to minus out SE driven traffic first before applying the 200 fold increment. You can track SE traffic using analytics.
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You have to minus out SE driven traffic first before applying the 200 fold increment. You can track SE traffic using analytics.
That is entirely correct as Search Engine traffic is not dependent on browser support, however, the assumption that Traffic will merely increase in line with the user base in entirely ludicrous. Traffic is also largely content driven. At the moment the content is largely missing, but as we can see it is starting to appear in significant quantities. When most content is IDN enabled the expansion in traffic will be geometric not linear. 200 times current type-in is the kind of calculation you would expect from a primary school student.
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