Is IE7 for IDNs here yet? Please share stats. Thks. - IDN Forums

touchring · #1 (**permalink**) 3rd February 2007, 05:41 AM

It's coming to spring, 18th Feb marks the beginning of spring in the lunar calender, let's do a status check on IE7 for IDNs. Have you seen any substantial evidence (>0.5%) of IE7 in IDNs?

I've got some Chinese and French stats, IE7 stats is still negligible - less than 1%, or rather 0.1%. All those talk about French, German AU to me, is still empty talk. Could it be that Microsoft wants to convert the entire EN base first?

I know many of you are into JP adsense, if you hook up analytics, please do a check on browser distribution and share some info here. Many of us are waiting anxiously. April's coming close. :o

Olney · #2 (**permalink**) 3rd February 2007, 05:59 AM

I just checked 6 Japanese minisites that get traffic.
2,200 uniques for 1 week
Note a single user with IE7
Is Analytics just not recognizing it?
All of my traffic is from search.

Rubber Duck · #3 (**permalink**) 3rd February 2007, 06:22 AM

Yes, I think it is fair to say that MS have been as misleading on this as they have on just about everything else. Frankly, it has got to the point where I wouldn't believe them if they told me the Sun was yellow.

On Japanese, however, we have no reason to believe that they have being doing significant numbers of downloads here and we now know that the problem in the Far East is to do with ActiveX, which is another thing that MS have mislead everyone about.

Quote:

Originally Posted by touchring

It's coming to spring, 18th Feb marks the beginning of spring in the lunar calender, let's do a status check on IE7 for IDNs. Have you seen any substantial evidence (>0.5%) of IE7 in IDNs?

I've got some Chinese and French stats, IE7 stats is still negligible - less than 1%, or rather 0.1%. All those talk about French, German AU to me, is still empty talk. Could it be that Microsoft wants to convert the entire EN base first?

I know many of you are into JP adsense, if you hook up analytics, please do a check on browser distribution and share some info here. Many of us are waiting anxiously. April's coming close. :o

burnsinternet · #4 (**permalink**) 3rd February 2007, 07:06 AM

What mix of browsers are you seeing out there? Mostly IE6?

Drewbert · #5 (**permalink**) 3rd February 2007, 08:14 AM

Holy crap.

Just grepped one of my log files for visitors from France (ASCII sites).

13649 hits from browsers reporting 'MSIE 6'

12857 hits from browsers reporting 'MSIE 7'

Lots from Wanadoo and Orange, so maybe those interenet services have rolled out their IE7 versions?

No noticeable bump in hits to my French IDN's though.

rhys · #6 (**permalink**) 3rd February 2007, 08:28 AM

Nope just checked again through the domains i have set up on google analytics. My US traffic sites have over 50% IE7 and my Japanese traffic sites have effectively 0% traffic. I saw only two examples where IE7 was listed among visitors to Japanese sites and I am sure that one is myself. This is pretty much what I expect without AU.

alex · #7 (**permalink**) 3rd February 2007, 09:01 AM

January stats for a couple Japanese sites. I also have Google Analytics on both of these sites and IE7 visits did not register at all on either site. On one of my English ASCII sites, Google Analytics shows 20% of visitors using IE7.

Webalizer Site 1:

1.94% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1

Webalizer Site 2 (all on one site) :

3.51% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; (R1 1
2.55% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1
1.12% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET

Rubber Duck · #8 (**permalink**) 3rd February 2007, 10:37 AM

What I can say is that since Vista has come out I have recorded significantly higher levels of traffic than previously. Three days traffic is hardly a good base to make big claims, but it does seem to be making a difference.

domainguru · #9 (**permalink**) 3rd February 2007, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olney

I just checked 6 Japanese minisites that get traffic.
2,200 uniques for 1 week
Note a single user with IE7
Is Analytics just not recognizing it?
All of my traffic is from search.

I have got similar results - just 0.1% from IE7, out of 4,000 visitors this last month. I have asked a question at Google groups. My belief is GA doesn't yet recognize IE7 properly for IDN domains, or at least the punycode version ....

Rubber Duck · #10 (**permalink**) 3rd February 2007, 11:39 AM

On the Type-in front, I can tell you my 900 or so Japanese IDN in terms of revenue this month on Namedrive so far is trailing behind:

Arabic
Russian
Simplified Chinese
Farsi
Thai
German
Azeri

In some language including Simplified Chinese we are talking only a handful of domains and on Namedrive as well!!!

Japanese is a complete Bust at the moment. Things are so bad, I would not even be surprised if I was told that the ISPs were filtering out IDN traffic!!!

I would suggest that the reason we are getting so little is that apart from the fact there is little typein culture, I would suggest apart from that which is attributable to Vista there is almost no incidences of IE7 installation in Japan. I am sure more evidence of direct navigation from Vista will emerge over the coming weeks, but it is likely that the early adopter of Vista in Japan, have other priorities other than direct navigation using Japanese characters.

touchring · #11 (**permalink**) 3rd February 2007, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drewbert

Holy crap.

Just grepped one of my log files for visitors from France (ASCII sites).

13649 hits from browsers reporting 'MSIE 6'

12857 hits from browsers reporting 'MSIE 7'

Lots from Wanadoo and Orange, so maybe those interenet services have rolled out their IE7 versions?

No noticeable bump in hits to my French IDN's though.

This is really odd, are you sure the stats are correct? How can it be that IE7 is almost as much as IE6? There's also FF.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olney

I just checked 6 Japanese minisites that get traffic.
2,200 uniques for 1 week
Note a single user with IE7
Is Analytics just not recognizing it?
All of my traffic is from search.

Analytics does recognize IE7. How about FF?

Drewbert · #12 (**permalink**) 3rd February 2007, 06:08 PM

I'm just grepping the raw log file for the strings "MSIE 6" and "MSIE 7" and limiting to only people visiting from France.

This is across about 2000 ASCII domains. NOT UNIQUES.

Surfer Country:Browser:Hits

France:IE6:15642
France:IE7:14414
France:Firefox:2715

Germany:IE6:4005
Germany:IE7:2661
Germany:Firefox:5827

Spain:IE6:4512
Spain:IE7:1679
Spain:Firefox:1000

Turkey:IE6:2758
Turkey:IE7:248
Turkey:Firefox:306

Poland:IE6:323
Poland:IE7:87
Poland:Firefox:520

Rubber Duck · #13 (**permalink**) 3rd February 2007, 09:03 PM

Thanks Drew. That pretty much puts the lie to the idea that Latin Languages are not being rolled out by MS. Indeed, it would seem that taking FF into the equation that IDN support in Europe is now typically 50% or more.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drewbert

I'm just grepping the raw log file for the strings "MSIE 6" and "MSIE 7" and limiting to only people visiting from France.

This is across about 2000 ASCII domains. NOT UNIQUES.

Surfer Country:Browser:Hits

France:IE6:15642
France:IE7:14414
France:Firefox:2715

Germany:IE6:4005
Germany:IE7:2661
Germany:Firefox:5827

Spain:IE6:4512
Spain:IE7:1679
Spain:Firefox:1000

Turkey:IE6:2758
Turkey:IE7:248
Turkey:Firefox:306

Poland:IE6:323
Poland:IE7:87
Poland:Firefox:520

Drewbert · #14 (**permalink**) 3rd February 2007, 09:25 PM

I think a large number of the IE7 hits coming from France are from a special build of IE7 by the dominant telco there (wannado/orange). My guess is they sent a link out in a newsletter to all their clients.

Rubber Duck · #15 (**permalink**) 3rd February 2007, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drewbert

I think a large number of the IE7 hits coming from France are from a special build of IE7 by the dominant telco there (wannado/orange). My guess is they sent a link out in a newsletter to all their clients.

Yes, isn't it wonderful how ISPs love to highjack your surfing experience. When I started out my first experiences were AOL, Software Warehouse and Free Server, most of whoms Client interfaces were appalling. Once I cottoned onto the fact that I didn't actually need to do any of that I swore I would never use an ISP that tried to lumber me with their own software ever again.

I guess in many instances we are waiting for those bastards to upgrade their software to support IDN?

touchring · #16 (**permalink**) 4th February 2007, 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drewbert

I'm just grepping the raw log file for the strings "MSIE 6" and "MSIE 7" and limiting to only people visiting from France.

This is across about 2000 ASCII domains. NOT UNIQUES.

Surfer Country:Browser:Hits

France:IE6:15642
France:IE7:14414
France:Firefox:2715

Your stats do not reconcile with what i'm getting with analytics, here's an export for 2 domains. Traffic includes 60-80% SE. IE7 is negligible.

#--------------------------------------------------------
# Profile Name: www.xn--xxxxxxxx
# Date Range: 1/28/2007 - 2/3/2007
#--------------------------------------------------------

#--------------------------------------------------------
# User-defined - (not set): Browser
#--------------------------------------------------------
Browser Visits P/Visit G1/Visit $/Visits
Internet Explorer 6.0 4250 2.66 0.00 0.00
Firefox 2.0.0.1 533 2.15 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.5.0.9 449 2.04 0.00 0.00
Safari 419.3 78 2.94 0.00 0.00
Firefox 2.0 56 2.34 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.5.0.7 25 2.32 0.00 0.00
Internet Explorer 5.5 24 3.29 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.0.7 19 3.21 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.5.0.3 19 2.53 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.0 17 6.88 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.5.0.6 16 2.94 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.5.0.4 14 2.93 0.00 0.00
Internet Explorer 5.0 14 6.36 0.00 0.00
Internet Explorer 7.0 13 1.62 0.00 0.00
Safari 312.6 12 2.75 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.0.6 10 3.00 0.00 0.00
Internet Explorer 5.01 10 3.10 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.5.0.1 7 3.00 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.5.0.8 7 1.29 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.0.4 6 1.50 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.0.3 5 2.40 0.00 0.00
Mozilla 1.7.12 4 1.50 0.00 0.00
Netscape 8.0.2 3 1.67 0.00 0.00
Mozilla Compatible Agent 4.0 3 2.67 0.00 0.00
Internet Explorer 5.23 3 2.00 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.0.1 3 3.33 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.5.0.2 2 1.50 0.00 0.00
Mozilla 1.9 2 1.00 0.00 0.00
Safari 417.8 2 2.00 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.5 2 1.50 0.00 0.00
Safari 312 2 4.00 0.00 0.00
Camino 1.0.3 1 1.00 0.00 0.00
Internet Explorer 5.16 1 5.00 0.00 0.00
Mozilla 1.7.10 1 1.00 0.00 0.00
Netscape 7.2 1 10.00 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.0.5 1 2.00 0.00 0.00
Mozilla 1.7.1 1 5.00 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.0.8 1 3.00 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.0.2 1 6.00 0.00 0.00
Mozilla 1.7.2 1 1.00 0.00 0.00
Safari 417.9.3 1 2.00 0.00 0.00
Safari 85.8.1 1 1.00 0.00 0.00
Internet Explorer 5.14 1 1.00 0.00 0.00
Netscape 7.01 1 7.00 0.00 0.00
Mozilla 1.6 1 2.00 0.00 0.00
Internet Explorer 4.01 1 2.00 0.00 0.00

#--------------------------------------------------------
# Profile Name: xn--yyyyyyy
# Date Range: 1/1/2007 - 1/31/2007
#--------------------------------------------------------

#--------------------------------------------------------
# User-defined - (not set): Browser
#--------------------------------------------------------
Browser Visits P/Visit G1/Visit $/Visits
Internet Explorer 6.0 36 2.17 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.5.0.9 13 1.69 0.00 0.00
Firefox 2.0.0.1 6 1.00 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.5.0.8 2 1.00 0.00 0.00
Internet Explorer 7.0 1 1.00 0.00 0.00
Firefox 2.0 1 2.00 0.00 0.00
SAMSUNG-SGH-Z560 1.0 1 3.00 0.00 0.00
Safari 417.9.2 1 1.00 0.00 0.00
Internet Explorer 5.5 1 4.00 0.00 0.00
Safari 419.3 1 1.00 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.5.0.2 1 2.00 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.5.0.3 1 1.00 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.5.0.6 1 2.00 0.00 0.00

Drewbert · #17 (**permalink**) 4th February 2007, 06:01 AM

OK. I knuckled down and pulled out some better stats. These are uniques now, so the ratios are more accurate.

France:
Week # IE6 IE7 FF (%ages)
5-2007 48 41 11
4-2007 49 39 12
3-2007 49 39 12
2-2007 52 37 12
1-2007 51 38 11
52-2006 53 37 10
51-2006 58 32 11
50-2006 64 26 10
49-2006 77 12 11
48-2006 85 5 10
47-2006 87 2 10
46-2006 87 2 11
45-2006 88 2 10
44-2006 89 1 10

If someone wants to make a purdy graph, go ahead.

Now, looking at one of my French domains that gets regular type-in traffic, it's traffic has gone up by 130% over that time.

Not the 400% increase you would expect if the original traffic was just from Firefox users.

This suggests one of 2 things to me:

1. A not insignificant number of IE6 users had the IDN plugin installed, so were making it to the site prior to the release of IE7.

and/or

2. The special version of IE7 released by Wannadoo/Orange does NOT append .com to the end of keywords typed into the address bar, so the traffic increase is only IE7 AU upgrades.

touchring · #18 (**permalink**) 4th February 2007, 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drewbert

OK. I knuckled down and pulled out some better stats. These are uniques now, so the ratios are more accurate.

France:
Week # IE6 IE7 FF (%ages)
5-2007 48 41 11
4-2007 49 39 12
3-2007 49 39 12
2-2007 52 37 12
1-2007 51 38 11
52-2006 53 37 10
51-2006 58 32 11
50-2006 64 26 10
49-2006 77 12 11
48-2006 85 5 10
47-2006 87 2 10
46-2006 87 2 11
45-2006 88 2 10
44-2006 89 1 10

If someone wants to make a purdy graph, go ahead.

Now, looking at one of my French domains that gets regular type-in traffic, it's traffic has gone up by 130% over that time.

Not the 400% increase you would expect if the original traffic was just from Firefox users.

This suggests one of 2 things to me:

1. A not insignificant number of IE6 users had the IDN plugin installed, so were making it to the site prior to the release of IE7.

and/or

2. The special version of IE7 released by Wannadoo/Orange does NOT append .com to the end of keywords typed into the address bar, so the traffic increase is only IE7 AU upgrades.

Based on your stats, IE7 penetration for France is double that of America?

Here's an analytics stat for an English website of mine with 90% North American traffic. The website is on an industrial topic - non-IT related - and so should be representative:

#--------------------------------------------------------
# Profile Name: www.zzzzzzzz
# Date Range: 1/28/2007 - 2/3/2007
#--------------------------------------------------------

#--------------------------------------------------------
# User-defined - (not set): Browser
#--------------------------------------------------------
Browser Visits P/Visit G1/Visit $/Visits
Internet Explorer 6.0 1554 3.91 0.00 0.00
Internet Explorer 7.0 656 3.60 0.00 0.00
Firefox 2.0.0.1 160 2.32 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.5.0.9 107 2.73 0.00 0.00
Safari 419.3 37 3.14 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.0.7 16 2.50 0.00 0.00
Internet Explorer 5.5 12 3.50 0.00 0.00
Firefox 2.0 10 1.70 0.00 0.00
Opera 9.10 8 9.13 0.00 0.00
Safari 312.6 8 5.63 0.00 0.00
Netscape 7.2 6 2.67 0.00 0.00
Netscape 8.1.2 4 2.75 0.00 0.00
Internet Explorer 5.01 4 4.25 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.5.0.8 3 3.67 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.0.4 3 21.33 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.5.0.6 2 4.00 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.0.6 2 1.00 0.00 0.00
Konqueror 3.4 2 1.00 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.5.0.7 2 2.00 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.0.2 2 2.50 0.00 0.00
Mozilla 1.9 1 2.00 0.00 0.00
Mozilla 1.8.1 1 4.00 0.00 0.00
Safari 417.9.2 1 1.00 0.00 0.00
Mozilla 1.7.5 1 7.00 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.0.1 1 1.00 0.00 0.00
Internet Explorer 4.01 1 1.00 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.5.0.5 1 1.00 0.00 0.00
gzip (unknown version) 1 2.00 0.00 0.00
Netscape 7.1 1 1.00 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.0 1 7.00 0.00 0.00
Opera 8.54 1 1.00 0.00 0.00
Firefox 0.10 1 1.00 0.00 0.00
Netscape 8.0.4 1 2.00 0.00 0.00
Mozilla 1.5 1 5.00 0.00 0.00
Opera 7.54 1 2.00 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.0.3 1 1.00 0.00 0.00
Internet Explorer 5.23 1 1.00 0.00 0.00
Netscape 8.0.3.3 1 5.00 0.00 0.00
Mozilla 1.7.2 1 1.00 0.00 0.00
Mozilla 1.7.8 1 21.00 0.00 0.00
Mozilla 1.8.1.1 1 5.00 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.5.0.2 1 1.00 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.5 1 2.00 0.00 0.00
Firefox 1.5.0.1 1 39.00 0.00 0.00
Opera 9.01 1 1.00 0.00 0.00

Drewbert · #19 (**permalink**) 4th February 2007, 06:10 AM

Someone with Windows needs to see if they can locate the Wannadoo/Orange version of IE7, install it and see what it does when you type a word into the address bar.

>Based on your stats, IE7 penetration for France is double that of America?

Quite possibly.

France has one dominant telco? If that telco asked everyone to upgrade to ie7 for security purposes, such a leap would be believable? No?

Here's the Browsers for the last 10 surfers from France to visit the server:

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; fr; rv:1.8.1.1) Gecko/20060601 Firefox/2.0.0.1 (Ubuntu-edgy)

Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322

Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; Orange 7.4 ; NaviWoo1.1

Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; Orange 7.4 ; NaviWoo1.1; .NET CLR 1.0.3705; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; Media Center PC 4.0

Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; Wanadoo 6.2; .NET CLR 1.1.4322

Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; Orange 7.4 ; NaviWoo1.1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; fr; rv:1.8.1.1) Gecko/20061204 Firefox/2.0.0.1

Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; GoogleToolbar 4.0.1601.4978-big; Windows 6.0; MSIE 7.0.6000.16386

Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322

Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.0.3705; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; Media Center PC 4.0; .NET CLR 2.0.50727

6 ie6, 2 ie7, 2 FF

Rubber Duck · #20 (**permalink**) 4th February 2007, 06:40 AM

Interesting Idea. Could this be the way that places like China adopt IE7?

Is Auto Updates a Red Herring?