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Bam number one again in Japan again. Cha-Ching.

So idns are tearing up the search engines and spitting out the ascii sites like crazy.

I've built several sites to test this theory and see how far I can travel. I've shared lots of my experiences with you all and I'd like to share another. Below I will share numbers and browser percentages and I believe it's a good indication of where IDN are heading.

Caution - This is an adult site.

www.エロアニメ.com (erotic anime) Japanese

After a month of waiting I've made the first page of yahoo for the term "エロ"

Japanese Overture
1.045.863 エロ
327.974 エロアニメ

www.エロアニメ.com

Yahoo.co.jp Search
http://search.yahoo.co.jp/search?p=%....x=1&x=26&y=11

I'm ranked #10

Google Trends for エロ, エロアニメ




Now for the browser stats and operating systems.





Keep in mind that I visit the site regularly to make sure it's in good running condition and I use IE7.


Operating Systems:

WIN 97.4 %
Windows XP 86.6 %
Windows NT 62 0 %
Windows Me 4.1 %
Windows Codename Longhorn 0.2 %
Windows 98 3.2 %
Windows 95 0 %
Windows 2003 0 %
Windows 2000 2.9 %


87 percent use Windows XP. Meaning 87 percent will be automatically updated when the AU of IE7 hits Japan.

We are in for a wild ride in the next month or two. It's time to celebrate.

This site alone is raking in unique visitors by the "thousands" a day. I would say it's a fairly good indicator of what people are using in Japan.

Anyone else feel free to share your experiences as we are all here to help each other.
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Re: Bam number one again in Japan again. Cha-Ching.

You might want to try changing the language meta tag so it reads

<meta name="language" content="jp">

I report my page language within the html tag....

<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" lang="fr-FR" xml:lang="fr-FR">

It might be better being there than in a seperate meta tag.

If you read http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/dirlang.html they also say you should put a dir= to indicate language direction are well - could be a way for Arabic and Hebrew pages to leap up the SERP's

The tutorial at http://www.w3.org/International/tuto...rial-lang.html has an interesting statement...

"Always declare the language of the document as a whole in the <html> tag"

So there we have it.

googlepray? You're a believer?
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Re: Bam number one again in Japan again. Cha-Ching.

Great going Adam ! Well done Thanks for sharing this great info....Better do some more work on some sites this week then !!
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Re: Bam number one again in Japan again. Cha-Ching.

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You might want to try changing the language meta tag so it reads

<meta name="language" content="jp">

I report my page language within the html tag....

<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" lang="fr-FR" xml:lang="fr-FR">

It might be better being there than in a seperate meta tag.

If you read http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/dirlang.html they also say you should put a dir= to indicate language direction are well - could be a way for Arabic and Hebrew pages to leap up the SERP's

The tutorial at http://www.w3.org/International/tuto...rial-lang.html has an interesting statement...

"Always declare the language of the document as a whole in the <html> tag"

So there we have it.

googlepray? You're a believer?
Thanks Drewbert for the tips and for the links. I will read through them this evening. Although I'm a little leary of changing anything, the old saying, "if it ain't broke."

I will definately use this info on the new sites I'm building though to see what kind of a difference it makes on the rankings. I really appreciate it.

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Great going Adam ! Well done Thanks for sharing this great info....Better do some more work on some sites this week then !!
Yes, I plan on it. The cash this is raking in is way better than any parking program. Development is the only way to go. How are your sites coming along? I know you have a few in the works, give me a shout via skype and let me know.
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Re: Bam number one again in Japan again. Cha-Ching.

Sarcle,

Are you using DTICASH to monetize your adult traffic? If so, how do you find the conversion rates and the sales tools provided?

If not, what are you using? Thanks

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Re: Bam number one again in Japan again. Cha-Ching.

Sarc,

you're also #39 with this site : www.エロ動画.com for the same term.
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Sarcle,

Are you using DTICASH to monetize your adult traffic? If so, how do you find the conversion rates and the sales tools provided?

If not, what are you using? Thanks

Rhys
I use a combination of several affiliates.

I use DTI, Adbrite, Aebn.net, and AsianFriendFinder. So far everything is working well. I'd like to drop the DTI and go with a different Japanese Adult affiliate but there aren't too many options. I personally think DTI is way to diluted in the Japanese market.

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you're also #39 with this site : www.エロ動画.com for the same term.
Yeah, I didn't want to announce that one yet. It's been built rather crudely. I was wanting to revamp it before announcing those stats. It's actually got great ovt with ext. and the Japanese do type-in IDN.com in the search.

But yes Idns are taking over the search engines. It's only a matter of time now.
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Re: Bam number one again in Japan again. Cha-Ching.

one caveat here - yahoo and google work in completely different ways. google is a much tougher nut to crack for young sites. which is a shame for me because it is over 90% of the market in Thailand. But for you .jp guys, time to milk :p
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Re: Bam number one again in Japan again. Cha-Ching.

In the short-term developed sites have a huge advantage over parking particularly in Japan.

Getting Serp Ranking side steps the issue of Browser support, so in the short-term parked sites will get infinitely more traffic than parked.

As browser support kicks in the gap between development and parking will close noticeably. The reason for this are not only does browser support have more of an upside for parking but it will kindle a type-in culture that is currently missing. Furthermore, whilst it is comparatively easy to leap into the higher echaleons of SERPat the moment, it will become distinctly more difficult as serious commercial sites switch to IDN and the current advantage enjoyed by parking sites is diluted.
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Re: Bam number one again in Japan again. Cha-Ching.

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In the short-term developed sites have a huge advantage over parking particularly in Japan.

Getting Serp Ranking side steps the issue of Browser support, so in the short-term parked sites will get infinitely more traffic than parked.

As browser support kicks in the gap between development and parking will close noticeably. The reason for this are not only does browser support have more of an upside for parking but it will kindle a type-in culture that is currently missing. Furthermore, whilst it is comparatively easy to leap into the higher echaleons of SERPat the moment, it will become distinctly more difficult as serious commercial sites switch to IDN and the current advantage enjoyed by parking sites is diluted.
I agree to disagree.

What makes you think that generations brought up on search can just switch to typing in what theyre looking for on the web into the search bar like westerners do? There is no precedent to signify such a change in navigation behavior.

Unless you know something that we don't...

Cha ching cha ching, grats on the nice rankings Sarcle!
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Re: Bam number one again in Japan again. Cha-Ching.

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I agree to disagree.

What makes you think that generations brought up on search can just switch to typing in what theyre looking for on the web into the search bar like westerners do? There is no precedent to signify such a change in navigation behavior.

Unless you know something that we don't...

Cha ching cha ching, grats on the nice rankings Sarcle!
Did you really say "generations brought up on search". Is the Internet really that old in Asia? :p
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Re: Bam number one again in Japan again. Cha-Ching.

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Did you really say "generations brought up on search". Is the Internet really that old in Asia?

My grandfather used it, my father uses it, I use it and so does my niece.

I would believe that would constitute "generations".

Are you in my generation buddy?
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Re: Bam number one again in Japan again. Cha-Ching.

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I agree to disagree.

What makes you think that generations brought up on search can just switch to typing in what theyre looking for on the web into the search bar like westerners do? There is no precedent to signify such a change in navigation behavior.

Unless you know something that we don't...

Cha ching cha ching, grats on the nice rankings Sarcle!
Thanks.

I would also have to agree that massive type-ins aren't going to "just happen" Type-ins came as a result of sites being built.

Just as a reference. You have a person that registered "porn.com" Then you have people build many sites onlineporn.com gayporn.com lesbianporn.com ect. ect. So people, curious as they are, will naturally try and look up "porn.com" to see what's there.
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Re: Bam number one again in Japan again. Cha-Ching.

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I agree to disagree.

What makes you think that generations brought up on search can just switch to typing in what theyre looking for on the web into the search bar like westerners do? There is no precedent to signify such a change in navigation behavior.

Unless you know something that we don't...

So there are people in UK brought up not to type-in?
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Re: Bam number one again in Japan again. Cha-Ching.

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So there are people in UK brought up not to type-in?
Absolutely. The type-in market is a relatively small % of the overall search market. When people look for things on the web, they generally "google it", not type it in.
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Re: Bam number one again in Japan again. Cha-Ching.

When Trains, Bicycles, Automobiles, Telephone were introduced, was a mass public awareness campaign required, or did people just adopt these technologies instinctively and intuitively?

The IDN system has been designed to be intuitive. It should catch on instinctively. If it does not, no amount of public awareness campaigns is going to make it happen.

Yes, content does need to be provided, and it is being provided. The main mechanism for the provision of content will be conversion of existing websites. This is happening all over but on an industrial scale in China. All that is necessary is for companies to make a complete copy of their websites, do a Search and Replace on the Domain name to get all the links to work properly and then give the new site its own hosting. Those that don't understand this obviously did not follow my string of post at DNL on this issue.

If you think that spamming webspace with a whole load of Adsense spam sites with foriegn webmasters is the thing that is going to persuade people that there is interesting content in the IDN space, then I think you all need to reconsider.
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Re: Bam number one again in Japan again. Cha-Ching.

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So there are people in UK brought up not to type-in?
I don't know, did you grow up in the UK?

I was in Singapore, Japan and Korea when they started this thing called the "internet".

"Search" is ingrained in the internet culture here, they even have a television show about it.

I'm just not convinced that type-in traffic is going to take off like it has in the West. I believe you can find overwhelming statistics that will show you "search" is the number one form of web navigation in Japan as well as Korea.

After the conception of a predominantly IDN enabled browser population, are IDNs going to change web navigation behavior?

It would be great to get some PPC, however, I don't think it will be the barometer on which good domains will be measured on in Asia.

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When Trains, Bicycles, Automobiles, Telephone were introduced, was a mass public awareness campaign required, or did people just adopt these technologies instinctively and intuitively?

The IDN system has been designed to be intuitive. It should catch on instinctively. If it does not, no amount of public awareness campaigns is going to make it happen.

Yes, content does need to be provided, and it is being provided. The main mechanism for the provision of content will be conversion of existing websites. This is happening all over but on an industrial scale in China. All that is necessary is for companies to make a complete copy of their websites, do a Search and Replace on the Domain name to get all the links to work properly and then give the new site its own hosting. Those that don't understand this obviously did not follow my string of post at DNL on this issue.

If you think that spamming webspace with a whole load of Adsense spam sites with foriegn webmasters is the thing that is going to persuade people that there is interesting content in the IDN space, then I think you all need to reconsider.
Agreed. Meaningful and original content has to be developed. I am hiring someone to write meaningful content for pages that will provide useful information. Putting junk with adsense in the long run will only be our cause.

In regard to the way that developers are pursuing IDNs at the moment, it's still early in the game for IDN website development. Exploring this "IDN space" is something that needs to be done in order to move forward. I'm sure all the other developers have bigger plans for their websites as well.

Regarding intuition, it is intuitive for one to use a search engine when one is searching for something. Positive reinforcement of this behavior over the years through advertisements and commercials i.e. "Search for Big Green Housing etc etc". I would love to see some stats on type-in behavior versus search. I'll go look and share with the group if I can find any.

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If you think that spamming web space with a whole load of Adsense spam sites with foreign webmasters is the thing that is going to persuade people that there is interesting content in the IDN space, then I think you all need to reconsider.
I agree this isn't the final solution but it is the best solution to parking at the moment. Don't know what it has to do with foreign webmasters though as IDN gets further developed I think most of us will have the cash to hire programmers for our sites.

As far as companies switching to IDN it's inevitable. But in the mean time getting IDN.com in top positions in the search engines will just make it happen sooner as companies aren't going to just sit there and let their ascii sites evaporate to these adsensed pages.
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Re: Bam number one again in Japan again. Cha-Ching.

Search is the by far the biggest means of Web navigation in the West, there is no doubt about that.

Direct Navigation is comparatively small as a means of navigation, until you start to look at the way domainers actually make their money. Then it is not small it is very significant.

If somebody wants to find Microsoft's Website, unless you are prepared to run getting into legal conflict with them for having a typo domain, then frankly your chance of intercepting that monetizing that traffic are zero. Even if they type it in, you are not going to get a look in. The use of IDN by big companies will popularise these domains but they won't in general make you money.

Much direct navigation will be done as a consequence of the advertisement of the domain name. You are not going to make any money there either. But this kind of activity will get people involved in direct navigation. If you are going to try to get people to Microsoft.com are you going to give them the URL to type in, or are you going to suggest a Search Engine to them. Copy and pasting URLs or even clicking on links is a form of direct navigation if you think about it. When IDN are used for email addresses the principal becomes even further engrained.

The reason that Direct Navigation is not much used, is that the current domain system available to people in Asia do not meet the 3 R's criteria. Often they cannot RECOGNISE the domain names, they will certainly struggle to RECALL them and often they will not be REPRODUCE them. Once they can see that IDN meet the 3R's criteria then they will adopt them with great enthuisiasm.

I feel a bit like a 19th century railway pioneer demonstrating a steam locomotive to potential investors that cannot envisage what a railway track looks like and keep asking why there are no passengers.
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Re: Bam number one again in Japan again. Cha-Ching.

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Search is the by far the biggest means of Web navigation in the West, there is no doubt about that.

Direct Navigation is comparatively small as a means of navigation, until you start to look at the way domainers actually make their money. Then it is not small it is very significant.
Yes, it's something we all want a piece of.

According to the latest statistics:

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According to the investment bank RBC Capital Markets, direct navigation was expected to generate $650 million in sales in the United States last year, and it estimates the business could hit $800 million this year. The money is largely coming from the display advertising at the sites, which is shared with search giants such as Yahoo and Google.
http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/...a/16560153.htm

Direct Navigation hit $650 million in the US alone last year and 800 million this year. Imagine what that's going to hit now that IDN are fast becoming a reality.

Does anyone have their island picked out yet?
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