Moniker T.R.A.F.F.I.C. auction names posted - no idns listed? - Page 2 - IDN Forums

touchring · #21 02-23-2007, 02:05 PM

anyone got the silent auction list?

IDNCowboy · #22 02-23-2007, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by touchring

anyone got the silent auction list?

its in the other thread

mulligan · #23 02-23-2007, 02:15 PM

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téléchargement

Was wondering when you were gonna do something with that!
V nice!

IDNCowboy · #24 02-23-2007, 02:17 PM

well I don't know who Moniker asked. I thought the list was private til released to the public. So in the process between them collecting the IDNs here and making the list who knows what happened.

It seems that Rick Schwartz and Co who literally "co owns" the auction voted No to IDNs.

domainstosell · #25 02-23-2007, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Olney

Anyone want to post quality they put up?
I'll admit I personally can't say anything because I failed to compile a list to offer.

Well, I put up stuff that I thought would have an appeal to some of the ASCII investors looking to get into IDNs. BTW, a couple of my ASCII domains made it (the ones in BOLD below), but no IDNs. Funny thing is, I didn't even know I had any in until I saw the list that IDNcowboy posted.

صدام.com
Français.biz
ì.net
ê.biz
Califórnia.com (No, it isn't a dreaded SEDO phishing domain, it is Portuguese)
CancúnHotel.com
CancúnVacations.com
MéxicoTravel.com
TravelMéxico.com
Vídeo.biz
GasStations.org
AreaRestaurants.mobi
CarLots.mobi
HomeRunHeroes.com
FareBall.com
CancunHotelPackages.com
LuxuryHotelsMacau.com
LocalRestaurant.info
DailyNewspapers.info
NewspaperSubscription.us
NewspaperSubscriptions.info
NewspaperSubscriptions.net

sarcle · #26 02-23-2007, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

Well, I was clearly wrong.

I think Monte has done himself a huge dis-service here. I did not put names forward of the calibre that I did to be shunted into a silent Auction. I shall be writing to them when I get back and asking to have my domains withdrawn, as there are issues of bad faith here. Clearly Rick has put his oar in and is determined to make TRAFFICS irrelevant to IDNers and much of the domaining World, probably on the advice of those arseholes from SEDO.

Well, if this is how we are to be treated, I don't want any part of what is on offer at Moniker, until they have shown that they mean business.

Best Regards,
Monte Cahn
Founder / CEO
Monte@corp.moniker.com
Toll Free: 1-800-688-6311
O: 954-984-8445
F: 954-984-0209

Yes well this information above here. Is for everyone to use. And do use it.

This smells of Rick, but Moniker allowing us to believe IDN were in until the ball actually drops is bullshit. And they need to know that. Escrows, if needed, I will have done through Afternic now not Moniker. Just about the only place that hasn't screwed me yet. Still waiting for that to happen.

Rubber Duck · #27 02-23-2007, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by IDNCowboy

well I don't know who Moniker asked. I thought the list was private til released to the public. So in the process between them collecting the IDNs here and making the list who knows what happened.

It seems that Rick Schwartz and Co who literally "co owns" the auction voted No to IDNs.

What can you say?

The only thoughts on my mind at the moment are:

More Blatant Market Manipulation

Anti-Trust

Class Action

sunsei21 · #28 02-23-2007, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by touchring

anyone got the silent auction list?

They havent split the names up into silent and live auction as of yet i dont think march 1st is the big Finale it seems

Rubber Duck · #29 02-23-2007, 02:38 PM

Yes, I have actively been discussing a Mid $xxx,xxx deal this last week, and have been looking at Escrow. Afternic are looking increasingly attractive for doing such business.

As far as Monte Cahn is concerned, I think he is going to have to start looking around for new strategic alliances. It would seem that he is being rapidly herded into a Blind Canyon.

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Originally Posted by sarcle

Best Regards,
Monte Cahn
Founder / CEO
Monte@corp.moniker.com
Toll Free: 1-800-688-6311
O: 954-984-8445
F: 954-984-0209

Yes well this information above here. Is for everyone to use. And do use it.

This smells of Rick, but Moniker allowing us to believe IDN were in until the ball actually drops is bullshit. And they need to know that. Escrows, if needed, I will have done through Afternic now not Moniker. Just about the only place that hasn't screwed me yet. Still waiting for that to happen.

mulligan · #30 02-23-2007, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sarcle

....And they need to know that. Escrows, if needed, I will have done through Afternic now not Moniker.....

idnbond.com will take care of any IDN escrow needs you have ....

sarcle · #31 02-23-2007, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mulligan

idnbond.com will take care of any IDN escrow needs you have ....

Thanks Mulligan. I'll definitely think of you next time.

zfreud · #32 02-23-2007, 03:39 PM

My advice to everyone here is to keep this in perspective. T.R.A.F.F.I.C. is a decidedly North American phenomenon. For the most part you are dealing with domainers from the USA so it is not surprising to find a total lack of cultural awareness. I mean more than 70% of US citizens don't even carry a passport! As an American myself (or more properly a New Yorker) I find that shocking.

The reality is that in the near future demand for most IDN domains will originate outside of the USA. T.R.A.F.F.I.C. Is unlikely to ever play a part in brokering that demand. So who cares what they think? I personally know of numerous four and five figure IDN transactions that never made DNJournal.

I think we're still a couple years away from "the big bang" for this market. To sell a premium domain now to a US speculator may help defray your renewal costs but will be a shortsighted decision. The real demand is going to come when the local markets in Asia reach tipping point for IDN adoption and that is still 18 to 24 months away.

Rubber Duck · #33 02-23-2007, 03:44 PM

I think you are absolutely correct in the majority of your comment here, except the time scales that you are projecting. My view is that if IDN are not showing very significant advances in the next six months the chances are they never will. Not that I consider that scenario as having a significant level of probability.

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Originally Posted by zfreud

My advice to everyone here is to keep this in perspective. T.R.A.F.F.I.C. is a decidedly North American phenomenon. For the most part you are dealing with domainers from the USA so it is not surprising to find a total lack of cultural awareness. I mean more than 70% of US citizens don't even carry a passport! As an American myself (or more properly a New Yorker) I find that shocking.

The reality is that in the near future demand for most IDN domains will originate outside of the USA. T.R.A.F.F.I.C. Is unlikely to ever play a part in brokering that demand. So who cares what they think? I personally know of numerous four and five figure IDN transactions that never made DNJournal.

I think we're still a couple years away from "the big bang" for this market. To sell a premium domain now to a US speculator may help defray your renewal costs but will be a shortsighted decision. The real demand is going to come when the local markets in Asia reach tipping point for IDN adoption and that is still 18 to 24 months away.

thegenius1 · #34 02-23-2007, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

My view is that if IDN are not showing very significant advances in the next six months the chances are they never will. Not that I consider that scenario as having a significant level of probability.

Depends how you define significant , we have a detrimental role to play in IDN's to as investors. But to give it 6 months is ludicrous , every market will have its own time frame IMO. Yeah we may have to renew another year or so but that doesnt mean the next 6 months make or break anything.

touchring · #35 02-23-2007, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by thegenius1

Depends how you define significant , we have a detrimental role to play in IDN's to as investors. But to give it 6 months is ludicrous , every market will have its own time frame IMO. Yeah we may have to renew another year or so but that doesnt mean the next 6 months make or break anything.

I think RD is quite correct in certain sense with respect to the 6 months - in that we got about 6 more months to play with - America or Israel might be at war with Iran by then?!

But i don't agree with "never", unless domains as a whole become obsolete.

thegenius1 · #36 02-23-2007, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by touchring

I think RD is quite correct in certain sense with respect to the 6 months - in that we got about 6 more months to play with - America or Israel might be at war with Iran by then?! But i don't agree with "never".

Again it depends what you define as significant , are we talking Traffic , End Users , other foreign domainers coming into the picture ?

Every Market has its own time frame , to put a 6 month label on "IDN's" is Ludicrous as every market will develop at its own pace.

And wars dont have nothing to do with it unless Kim Jong-il wants to wipes us all out lol

Rubber Duck · #37 02-23-2007, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by thegenius1

Depends how you define significant , we have a detrimental role to play in IDN's to as investors. But to give it 6 months is ludicrous , every market will have its own time frame IMO. Yeah we may have to renew another year or so but that doesnt mean the next 6 months make or break anything.

We have little or no impact on the markets one way or another. The adoption of IDN by large companies is what matters. This is already happening to a very significant degree in China. All Chinese Government websites will shortly follow Beijing's example and put up an IDN site. The only thing holding up anything here is not DNAME but IE7. IE7 just has not happened yet. Basically, Microsoft never delivered on any of their promises.

IE7 will arrive in one form or another in the near future, however. Even XP won't be delivered with IE6 on new machines. In most Asian Economies, you can look at 20% market share coming from system replacements. Another 20% coming market expansion. and probably at least 40% coming from Auto Updates.

Where we are getting Search Statitics to date we seem to have a picture of a about 95% XP/IE6 systems. IE7 to date seems to be virtually non existent. By the middle of this year we should be approaching somewhere near 50% penetration of supporting browsers. At that point Content will explode and so will traffic. Online companies trying to trade with ASCII addresses will be going bust by the thousand. The rest will stampede to IDN. This is not about some bolt on optional luxury, this will be about survival.

This will not happen in two years time, it is about to happen very soon. Some countries will be in the Vanguard and others like Japan will tag along behind, but it is already happening elsewhere and the pace is set to accelerate markedly.

zfreud · #38 02-23-2007, 04:07 PM

IDNs are a forgone conclusion in China and Japan and there is no question demand is already escalating for native script domains in those countries. However, for these countries to reach the stage where most consumers are thinking "native language URL" when they go to browse will take time. Certainly more than six months. It will also take the branding $ that will arrive when companies wake up to the fact they can brand in their native script.

When I say two years I am talking about the moment in time where EVERYONE in China and Japan suddenly realizes that ASCII domains are a thing of the past. The moment when to have an ASCII domain is seen as being behind the times...that is certainly not happening in six months.

Business and markets hate uncertainty. The obvious big question still to be resolved is how DNAME / NS is decided...after that uncertainty is removed (early 08 ) momentum will build rapidly.

bwhhisc · #39 02-23-2007, 04:09 PM

I sent an email to Monte and here is part of his response regarding IDNS.
Received today 2/23

"we are going to put (idns) in the silent auction...just getting the proper information for each one
and making sure that the program can handle the different display. I will have my folks visit the
forums and make sure they know". Monte

My 2 cents: Give the guy a chance and lets hopefully come off as a group of professionals regardless of how they
run "their" auction or what is decided to be featured or put in. We are still at the beginning of the journey
and if some result$ are seen with idn in the silent auctions, we can step up the ladder a bit next time.

Let's keep the dialogue open...the fat lady hasn't sung on this auction yet!

touchring · #40 02-23-2007, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by thegenius1

Again it depends what you define as significant , are we talking Traffic , End Users , other foreign domainers coming into the picture ?

Every Market has its own time frame , to put a 6 month label on "IDN's" is Ludicrous as every market will develop at its own pace.

And wars dont have nothing to do with it unless Kim Jong-il wants to wipes us all out lol

The war part is only an analogy. Trying to say that the longer it drags, we risk people losing interest. Traffic is already rising, so it's already factored into the picture. If RD can pull off with the mid-6 figures deal now, it will be a good and shrewd move, imo. Good luck!