Moniker T.R.A.F.F.I.C. auction names posted - no idns listed?

[thegenius1]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

We have little or no impact on the markets one way or another. The adoption of IDN by large companies is what matters.

There are sooooo many idn.jp's owned by companies its not even funny , whether they start using them next week, next month, or next year will have nothing to do with the success of IDN's because they will start using them.

[Alphamale]

Originally Posted by bwhhisc

I sent an email to Monte and here is part of his response regarding IDNS..... I will have my folks visit the
forums and make sure they know".

quick. go amend that thread where you call them all a bunch of ******

[Rubber Duck]

DNAME is not a big uncertainty in China. If ICANN do not do this, then China will. End of Story.

I think you can expect a announcement from ICANN regarding DNAME/NS very soon. On ccTLDs this has always been about how it would be implemented rather than what is going to be implemented.

With gTLD a few a fuzzy brained individuals have managed to create an awful lot uncertainty. The problem is there is no realistic alternative to DNAME. If it cannot be done everyone is just going to have to get by with IDN.com until somebody solves the technical issues surrounding it. Personally, I don't think there are any serious technical issues. In many ways these may be being used to present the World with a fait accompli at the policy level.

As far as China is concerned this is a total non issue. China is going IDN come hell or highwater, and India is making similar noises if you listen carefully.

The advent of IDN.ru will cause an explosion of interest in Russia.

Much of the rest of Asia has very immature Internets and most will come online never knowing anything other than IDN.

Originally Posted by zfreud

IDNs are a forgone conclusion in China and Japan and there is no question demand is already escalating for native script domains in those countries. However, for these countries to reach the stage where most consumers are thinking "native language URL" when they go to browse will take time. Certainly more than six months. It will also take the branding $ that will arrive when companies wake up to the fact they can brand in their native script.

When I say two years I am talking about the moment in time where EVERYONE in China and Japan suddenly realizes that ASCII domains are a thing of the past. The moment when to have an ASCII domain is seen as being behind the times...that is certainly not happening in six months.

Business and markets hate uncertainty. The obvious big question still to be resolved is how DNAME / NS is decided...after that uncertainty is removed (early 0 momentum will build rapidly.

[zfreud]

The uncertainty with DNAME is how onerous the application process will be for the aliased TLDs. Everything I see coming from ICANN is indicating they plan to make all new IDN TLDs (aliased or NS) go through the standard new TLD process. Which is expesive and time consuming. So even if DNAME is adopted, what .com aliases to is an open question and will probably remain so for some time. The ccTLDs will obviously have a leg up here.

[IDNCowboy]

Originally Posted by bwhhisc

I sent an email to Monte and here is part of his response regarding IDNS.
Received today 2/23

"we are going to put (idns) in the silent auction...just getting the proper information for each one
and making sure that the program can handle the different display. I will have my folks visit the
forums and make sure they know". Monte

My 2 cents: Give the guy a chance and lets hopefully come off as a group of professionals regardless of how they
run "their" auction or what is decided to be featured or put in. We are still at the beginning of the journey
and if some result$ are seen with idn in the silent auctions, we can step up the ladder a bit next time.

Let's keep the dialogue open...the fat lady hasn't sung on this auction yet!

none would make the live auction tho

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by zfreud

The uncertainty with DNAME is how onerous the application process will be for the aliased TLDs. Everything I see coming from ICANN is indicating they plan to make all new IDN TLDs (aliased or NS) go through the standard new TLD process. Which is expesive and time consuming. So even if DNAME is adopted, what .com aliases to is an open question and will probably remain so for some time. The ccTLDs will obviously have a leg up here.

You still make the presumption that nobody will be comfortable with IDN.com.

For right to left languages that would seem to be a problem, but for the rest frankly, I do not think it matters. Dot Com is already a very well established brand. That is not going to change.

Originally Posted by bwhhisc

I sent an email to Monte and here is part of his response regarding IDNS.
Received today 2/23

"we are going to put (idns) in the silent auction...just getting the proper information for each one
and making sure that the program can handle the different display. I will have my folks visit the
forums and make sure they know". Monte

My 2 cents: Give the guy a chance and lets hopefully come off as a group of professionals regardless of how they
run "their" auction or what is decided to be featured or put in. We are still at the beginning of the journey
and if some result$ are seen with idn in the silent auctions, we can step up the ladder a bit next time.

Let's keep the dialogue open...the fat lady hasn't sung on this auction yet!

The point is that we have been actively discriminated against.

There has been no effective sounding out as to potential interest in IDN. They have not been included in that process.

A whole lot of dead beat rubbish will be included.

I am afraid this goes back to the issues raised in the "Train Crash" thread. Unfortunately, the issues have not gone away and my position and opinions have been validated.

We are now clearly in a situation where certain individuals feel empowered to determine the direction of domain markets so they can profit from courses that have been predetermined. This is not only very bad for IDN, but is very very bad for domaining in general.

I do not think from this point going forward that prices in the TRAFFICS auctions can be said to be determined by market forces. That is a very dangerous situation for the Industry to be in.

[thegenius1]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

We are now clearly in a situation where certain individuals feel empowered to determine the direction of domain markets so they can profit from courses that have been predetermined. This is not only very bad for IDN, but is very very bad for domaining in general.

It is bad for domaining but not necessarily IDN's because frankly we don't need their venue !

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by thegenius1

It is bad for domaining but not necessarily IDN's because frankly we don't need their venue !

It is no wonder Maddison Avenue will not play ball. I think Webfather probably sounds a bit too close to Godfather for their liking.

IDNs are part of the overall situation, but yes, I think that recent "activities" could actually have much more impact on English dot Coms. Those domains are now fetching very considerable sums. Damaged confidence there will have much more impact.

[sarcle]

Originally Posted by bwhhisc

I sent an email to Monte and here is part of his response regarding IDNS.
Received today 2/23

"we are going to put (idns) in the silent auction...just getting the proper information for each one
and making sure that the program can handle the different display. I will have my folks visit the
forums and make sure they know". Monte

My 2 cents: Give the guy a chance and lets hopefully come off as a group of professionals regardless of how they
run "their" auction or what is decided to be featured or put in. We are still at the beginning of the journey
and if some result$ are seen with idn in the silent auctions, we can step up the ladder a bit next time.

Let's keep the dialogue open...the fat lady hasn't sung on this auction yet!

Well I'll be the first to say this. This is not the email I received now it's definite that they are going. Funny how things change when words are said. I told him exactly how I felt about it. I'm not a fence sitter and when someone acts like they didn't know what they did was wrong; I'll be the first to tell them their full of it.

According to him they were really only going if they were in entire portfolios with other domains. Second he said IDNs have no interest. When he said otherwise on his talk radio show and is including .gd with huge reserves and .mobi which is all speculation that didn't sell at the last auction, and some just really awful domains in general.

I have no problem listening to what he has to say but frankly he's already said it.

Professionalism comes from their side too when they said IDNs will be included then pulling the rug out from underneath them at the last second with no notice and saying "We'll there's no interest." What?

Originally Posted by [B

zfreud[/b]]
IDNs are a forgone conclusion in China and Japan and there is no question demand is already escalating for native script domains in those countries. However, for these countries to reach the stage where most consumers are thinking "native language URL" when they go to browse will take time. Certainly more than six months. It will also take the branding $ that will arrive when companies wake up to the fact they can brand in their native script.

You're fooling yourself if you think companies haven't figured this out. Do you think companies like this aren't getting ready for IDNs? http://比較.com/ Check out their ovt with ext. There will be massive ad campaigns going on as soon as the majority can access them via their browser.

[Giant]

Originally Posted by zfreud

My advice to everyone here is to keep this in perspective. T.R.A.F.F.I.C. is a decidedly North American phenomenon. For the most part you are dealing with domainers from the USA so it is not surprising to find a total lack of cultural awareness.

Very good advice. That's why I don't pay much attention at TRAFFICS, and I don't even care. Let them decide what's good for ASCII domainers themselves.

Originally Posted by zfreud

The reality is that in the near future demand for most IDN domains will originate outside of the USA. T.R.A.F.F.I.C. Is unlikely to ever play a part in brokering that demand. So who cares what they think?

exactly.

Originally Posted by zfreud

I personally know of numerous four and five figure IDN transactions that never made DNJournal.

I believe you :-).

[bwhhisc]

Originally Posted by sarcle

Professionalism comes from their side too when they said IDNs will be included then pulling the rug out from underneath them at the last second with no notice and saying "We'll there's no interest." What?

My email to him was after your earlier post, and he responded probably 30 minutes later. Lets give it a chance
without trying to prejudge what will or won't happen.

Originally Posted by IDNCowboy

none would make the live auction tho

I learned long ago to "never say never". Monte has been given a reminder that over the past year a good number of idns have sold for amounts in the xx,xxx amounts. I also know of a good few more in those ranges that did not go to DNJ. All options are probably still open at this point so lets give it a few days to see how things shake out.

[sarcle]

Originally Posted by bwhhisc

My email to him was after your earlier post, and he responded probably 30 minutes later. Lets give it a chance and see what happens without trying to prejudge what will or won't happen.

No, I don't doubt that, but my email was immediately wrote back to him when I recieved it. And I will hear them out.

[domainguru]

Originally Posted by bwhhisc

My email to him was after your earlier post, and he responded probably 30 minutes later. Lets give it a chance and see what happens without trying to prejudge what will or won't happen.



Never say never. I think we have reminded them that a good number of idns have sold in the xx,xxx amounts. I also know of a good few that did not go to DNJ.

But how many have sold for xx,xxx to the ASCII TRAFFIC crowd? I believe the audience is elsewhere.

[sarcle]

Originally Posted by domainguru

But how many have sold for xx,xxx to the ASCII TRAFFIC crowd? I believe the audience is elsewhere.

And it most likely is. But they promised us a chance and then at the last moment straddled the fence and took back everything they said.

[domainguru]

Originally Posted by sarcle

And it most likely is. But they promised us a chance and then at the last moment straddled the fence and took back everything they said.

yep, not arguing about that. If they have behaved badly, they have behaved badly.

[touchring]

Originally Posted by sarcle

And it most likely is. But they promised us a chance and then at the last moment straddled the fence and took back everything they said.

Rick don't like us. Ever since....

[Rubber Duck]

I have decided to let things ride this time.

I have given Monte a chance to see what he can prove, and I gave TRAFFICS the benefit of the doubt. I will give them that chance.

I have no doubts that I shall be severely disappointed with the outcome, but hell it is not me that is going to have to start out with credibility at zero with everything to prove. Fortunately, I have put realistic reserves on my domains so the potential damage is limited.

The way things are riding this time, I shall not be jumping in again in hurry, unless I am pleasantly surprised. I shall also be watching every move and will be prepared to check into the legality of anything that appear to be extremely dubious. Some seem to think that domaining is outside the legal frame of reference. Events will no doubt soon prove otherwise.

[bwhhisc]

Originally Posted by domainguru

But how many have sold for xx,xxx to the ASCII TRAFFIC crowd? I believe the audience is elsewhere.

Yes, but I don't think you have to "be there in person" to participate. Is that correct?

And if that is the case, there might be some IDNers interested in some of the domains up for sale.

[sarcle]

Originally Posted by bwhhisc

Yes, but I don't think you have to "be there in person" to participate. Is that correct?

And if that is the case, there might be some IDNers interested in some of the domains up for sale.

"we are going to put (idns) in the silent auction...just getting the proper information for each one
and making sure that the program can handle the different display. I will have my folks visit the
forums and make sure they know". Monte

Well, still waiting for "his" folks to start visiting the forums. I just recieved the "official" email of the entire list. Which just proves that IDNs were of no consideration during this entire process. People are allowed to make a vote on what makes the live auction, how are they supposed to do that when IDNs aren't even listed?

Second if IDNs aren't on this list how are domainers supposed to know anything about them or do any sort of research before the auction itself?

Here's the email I just recieved.

Moniker is pleased to announce the master domain inventory list for the upcoming Live and Silent Domain Auctions at T.R.A.F.F.I.C. West in Las Vegas, March 5-8, 2007. This list is subject to changes.
At this time, you may review the complete list of domains to see if your domain(s) were selected. From this master list, Moniker will select the top names to be included in the exciting Live Domain Auction on March 7. A preliminary Live Auction list will be posted in the next day or so. The final list will be determined by the indication of interest from attendees to the T.R.A.F.F.I.C. Conference in addition to domain quality, reserve price, and relevant statistics. The Silent Auction will run from March 6 - 14, and will contain the very best names available plus any names that do not sell in the Live event.

Last time I checked IDNs are supported by excel so why would they need a different format to make sure these domains are on this list?

Anyways still waiting to hear Moniker out.