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Old 1st March 2007, 03:27 PM
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IDNs in the TRAFFIC Auction...

Out of the only 9 IDNs selected for the TRAFFIC auction, all but 3 are owned by the same company, Wyvern, LLC:

纽约州.com (xn--6rtq34e7b.com) - Owned by Wyvern
"New York State" in Chinese

ניו-יורק.com (xn----9hcbnc2b2ch.com) - Owned by Wyvern
"New-York" in Hebrew

テキサス州.com (xn--nckqm3c7069a.com) - Owned by Wyvern
"Texas State" in Japanese

ヨハネスブルグ.com (xn--qckr3dh1b6gza.com) - Owned by Wyvern
"Johannesburg" in Japanese

シリコンバレー.com (xn--tckh0fwem4b0d.com) - Owned by Wyvern
"Silicon Valley" in Japanese

뉴욕주.com (xn--vg1bt59azwb.com) - Owned by Wyvern
"New York State" in Korean

Wyvern is (or was) headed by Josh Metnick of Chicago.com and Associated Cities fame, who I am am sure runs in certain "domain-associated" circles...

This smells fishy to me...

I realize that a general consensus is that we don't need the auction, the domains won't get a fair shake, it's the wrong audience, etc. However, there is just something not right about this. They say they "didn't receive many IDNs..." but why these out of what they did receive? Why no Latin-based IDNs? Some of this is due to a learning curve, maybe, but I was pretty surprised by what I saw when I checked the whois...


Others on the list - These are owned by private individuals or companies, so I will not list the whois details...

エレクトロニクス.com
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Old 1st March 2007, 03:32 PM
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Re: IDNs in the TRAFFIC Auction...

Yes, and I have just registered the dot Nets on three of these.

Fuck knows what they mean, I didn't check but shit they have got to be valuable.


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Out of the only 9 IDNs selected for the TRAFFIC auction, all but 3 are owned by the same company, Wyvern, LLC:

纽约州.com (xn--6rtq34e7b.com) - Owned by Wyvern
"New York State" in Chinese

ניו-יורק.com (xn----9hcbnc2b2ch.com) - Owned by Wyvern
"New-York" in Hebrew

テキサス州.com (xn--nckqm3c7069a.com) - Owned by Wyvern
"Texas State" in Japanese

ヨハネスブルグ.com (xn--qckr3dh1b6gza.com) - Owned by Wyvern
"Johannesburg" in Japanese

シリコンバレー.com (xn--tckh0fwem4b0d.com) - Owned by Wyvern
"Silicon Valley" in Japanese

뉴욕주.com (xn--vg1bt59azwb.com) - Owned by Wyvern
"New York State" in Korean

Wyvern is (or was) headed by Josh Metnick of Chicago.com and Associated Cities fame, who I am am sure runs in certain "domain-associated" circles...

This smells fishy to me...

I realize that a general consensus is that we don't need the auction, the domains won't get a fair shake, it's the wrong audience, etc. However, there is just something not right about this. They say they "didn't receive many IDNs..." but why these out of wat they did receive? Why no Latin-based IDNs? Some of this is due to a learning curve, maybe, but I was pretty surprised by what I saw when I checked the whois...


Others on the list - These are owned by private individuals or companies, so I will not list the whois details...

エレクトロニクス.com
название.com
情報技術.com
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Old 1st March 2007, 03:34 PM
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Re: IDNs in the TRAFFIC Auction...

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Yes, and I have just registered the dot Nets on three of these.

Fuck knows what they mean, I didn't check but shit they have got to be valuable.
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Re: IDNs in the TRAFFIC Auction...

Really wierd stuff going on mate
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Re: IDNs in the TRAFFIC Auction...

Rubber duck

we don't call Texas, "Texas State"

;-(

I live in NY and we don't call it "New York State"
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Re: IDNs in the TRAFFIC Auction...

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I live in NY and we don't call it "New York State"
Maybe only foreigners call NY New York State.
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Re: IDNs in the TRAFFIC Auction...

I *think* he's being sarcastic ;-)

Obviously if the names were valuable, the .net's would not have been available.
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Re: IDNs in the TRAFFIC Auction...

..what do we call this..
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Re: IDNs in the TRAFFIC Auction...

This can't be it. They have to be adding more. There is no way this is complete. If it is......
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Re: IDNs in the TRAFFIC Auction...

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Nice, but I think it isn't so much nepotism as an easy way for Moniker to shut the IDN community up... They didn't stack the deck to help a friend for personal gain, they said:

"Who do we know and trust, who can put up some IDNs that we can shove into this auction? We promised IDNs, but now that we've got them, we really don't know how to manage them. They called us on it when we tried to just not include any, so now we have to have SOMETHING... Let's just put a few in as an afterthought - I'll talk to Josh Metnick, I know he has some IDNs, and he'd probably let us list a couple..."

Something along those lines.

I don't mean any disrespect to the owners of the other three names that got in, but I did notice that they weren't just your average, Joe-Blow IDNer either...

That's not to imply that they were part of any kind of conspiracy by any stretch of the imagination, my point is simply that Moniker only seemed willing to go with completely known entities rather than look at the full spectrum of what was presented to them.

That's my take on it, at this point, anyway.
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Re: IDNs in the TRAFFIC Auction...

My biggest worry is that Tim and Monte take it on themselves to start educating the folks at TRAFFIC on IDN. If that happens, then we have a real problem on our hands!
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Re: IDNs in the TRAFFIC Auction...

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My biggest worry is that Tim and Monte take it on themselves to start educating the folks at TRAFFIC on IDN. If that happens, then we have a real problem on our hands!
They couldn't invite you to educate the folks at TRAFFIC on IDN so they probably had to do it themselves :-)

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I accused him of being Parochial.

He was under no obligation to prove me correct.
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Re: IDNs in the TRAFFIC Auction...

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Nice, but I think it isn't so much nepotism as an easy way for Moniker to shut the IDN community up... They didn't stack the deck to help a friend for personal gain, they said:

"Who do we know and trust, who can put up some IDNs that we can shove into this auction? We promised IDNs, but now that we've got them, we really don't know how to manage them. They called us on it when we tried to just not include any, so now we have to have SOMETHING... Let's just put a few in as an afterthought - I'll talk to Josh Metnick, I know he has some IDNs, and he'd probably let us list a couple..."

Something along those lines.

I don't mean any disrespect to the owners of the other three names that got in, but I did notice that they weren't just your average, Joe-Blow IDNer either...

That's not to imply that they were part of any kind of conspiracy by any stretch of the imagination, my point is simply that Moniker only seemed willing to go with completely known entities rather than look at the full spectrum of what was presented to them.

That's my take on it, at this point, anyway.

Makes sense (however unprofessional) but it doesn't make sense to allocate 66% to only one person especially if that person is a relative IDN newbie compared to dave,mulligan, sarcle and others who have entered names which should certainly be of higher quality than these relatively obscure geographics.

Favoritism based on personal relations rather than abilities, this sure looks like it, whatever the stature of mr. Metnick is, because he is without doubt an example to the domaining community.
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Re: IDNs in the TRAFFIC Auction...

Mulligan whats going on here, any Idea ?
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Re: IDNs in the TRAFFIC Auction...

They have done what they have done to attempt to address their target audience.

For this reason they have made the same mistake that most ASCII domainers are making.

The purpose of investing in IDN is not only to get in at the bottom, but it is to target the new online consumers in the World's fastest growing markets.

These terms are not only not used in the US, they are not much used in that languages that are written in. If they had mastered Google search they would know this much.

The guy who has registered these has jumped on the bandwagon, but frankly has not got the mindset of a true IDNer. These are crap and presumably he is putting forward at least what he considers to be some of his better names.

As ever, however, they only see it from their own ego-centric perspective. Pathetic!
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Re: IDNs in the TRAFFIC Auction...

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Makes sense (however unprofessional) but it doesn't make sense to allocate 66% to only one person especially if that person is a relative IDN newbie compared to dave,mulligan, sarcle and others who have entered names which should certainly be of higher quality than these relatively obscure geographics.

Favoritism based on personal relations rather than abilities, this sure looks like it, whatever the stature of mr. Metnick is, because he is without doubt an example to the domaining community.
Very true...

Also, I've come across Wyvern before when regging, and I know they have much better domains that these.
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Are these then going to be the ONLY IDNs at the auction, or will there be others.

You'd think that out of what some others had submitted, they would have been choosen over these ones.
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Well I offered 4. The one they have included is the one I would have put money on being left out!
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Re: IDNs in the TRAFFIC Auction...

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Mulligan whats going on here, any Idea ?

Very high reserves was mentioned as being a reason for a lot of names not being listed and there seems not to have been a significant number of domains actually submitted.

While we may be able to see the percieved $$$ value of IDNs others may not and that might be a reason for more names not being listed. We are in the minority and it will take a while before it is accepted that we're not going away and that IDNs are not a passing fad.
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