Fair Play: are you here to help or to copycat other members IDNs?

[IDNCowboy]

Originally Posted by donwebcorleone

i guess u r funny pal who doenst speak japanese. thats why u cant find any new words to register. im sure u have a few great japanese words but tons of great "english" japanese words like many guys in here. good luck with them!

Most of us aren't dumb

Some of these "english" japanese words have millions of results in google (if you do your hw) so they are obviously used.

[donwebcorleone]

Originally Posted by bwhhisc

DWC- Your only choice is not to post your ideas, because there are far too many people here, visitors as well. This is a (friendly) but competitive sport!

u know this member idowner pissed me off. because i come here to help those who dont speak japanese and voila! morons like him appear.

The point i try to help people is that for instance, as i think someone said here, if u think loans.jp is great because loans.com is, but the japanese dont search for "loans.jp" but "personalcash.jp" or any other word for that meaning, ur loans.jp wont worth much, same british flat.us isnt the same as the american sense of apartment.us

My opinion is that many guys go registering through online dictionaries and thats why there are many ones left or u can create words with kanjis like in english people create delicio.us , 4us.com etc that makes sense only in English. Genius "nightclub" is great in english but in japan there aren't many nightclubs, in japan is used another word for that kind of stuff, word that u wont find on an online dictionary if u search for nightclub, u will end with an "english japanese" translation for nightclub after all you were looking for nightclub as a word but not the "use", got my point?

In Katakana, u can compress a several syllables word into a few ones and that is the one used. パソコン　is "pasocom" and it comes from the short pronunciation of "personal computer", many japanese words are made that way. Many IDNs are available but why should we ask for an appraisal of an IDN? the same with porn, a word like "porn anime" in arab doesn't make much sense but in japan is great.

anyway sometimes to try to help people with their IDNs who doenst know japanese or dont know anything about Japan isnt a good idea.

[idnowner]

Originally Posted by donwebcorleone

u know this member idowner pissed me off. because i come here to help those who dont speak japanese and voila! morons like him appear.

The point i try to help people is that for instance, as i think someone said here, if u think loans.jp is great because loans.com is, but the japanese dont search for "loans.jp" but "personalcash.jp" or any other word for that meaning, ur loans.jp wont worth much, same british flat.us isnt the same as the american sense of apartment.us

My opinion is that many guys go registering through online dictionaries and thats why there are many ones left or u can create words with kanjis like in english people create delicio.us , 4us.com etc that makes sense only in English. Genius "nightclub" is great in english but in japan there aren't many nightclubs, in japan is used another word for that kind of stuff, word that u wont find on an online dictionary if u search for nightclub, u will end with an "english japanese" translation for nightclub after all you were looking for nightclub as a word but not the "use", got my point?

In Katakana, u can compress a several syllables word into a few ones and that is the one used. パソコン　is "pasocom" and it comes from the short pronunciation of "personal computer", many japanese words are made that way. Many IDNs are available but why should we ask for an appraisal of an IDN? the same with porn, a word like "porn anime" in arab doesn't make much sense but in japan is great.

anyway sometimes to try to help people with their IDNs who doenst know japanese or dont know anything about Japan isnt a good idea.

You Said "u know this member idowner pissed me off. because i come here to help those who dont speak japanese and voila! morons like him appear."

You certainly miss things in your translation!

[IDNCowboy]

What about the japanese words showing 5k+ in ovt? (well mostly at least 30k in JP OVT)

Shows there is some activity for the KW

[thegenius1]

Originally Posted by donwebcorleone

Genius "nightclub" is great in english but in japan there aren't many nightclubs, in japan is used another word for that kind of stuff, word that u wont find on an online dictionary if u search for nightclub, u will end with an "english japanese" translation for nightclub after all you were looking for nightclub as a word but not the "use", got my point?

.

Im not sure why you choose to you nightclub, when this name is not Japanese, it is actualy nightshop but in Taiwan they use this as a slang for NightClub, that has been informed to me by a native speaker as a very poplular term and a Term that is spreading to hong kong amogst the youth and will shortly be a dictionary word, meaning that i may have one of these non-english names you are refering too ?

[IDNCowboy]

Originally Posted by thegenius1

Im not sure why you choose to you nightclub, when this name is not Japanese, it is actualy nightshop but in Taiwan they use this as a slang for NightClub, that has been informed to me by a native speaker as a very poplular term and a Term that is spreading to hong kong amogst the youth and will shortly be a dictionary word, meaning that i may have one of these non-english names you are refering too ?

All the sites when you type in "夜店" show up as .jp endings... are you sure this isn't in japanese?

[thegenius1]

Originally Posted by Jeff

All the sites when you type in "夜店" show up as .jp endings... are you sure this isn't in japanese?

You can go back and look at the original "夜店" post's to verify what i'am stating

[Edwin]

夜店 (in Japanese) seems to refer to the little street stalls you see dotted around Tokyo at night, serving ramen, gyouza and other hot, quick convenience foods. Indeed the dictionary I'm using has it as "night shop" or "night fair".

A quick look on Google Image Search (a great way to confirm the meaning of many domains) shows the same thing...
http://images.google.com/images?hl=e...ch&sa=N&tab=wi

All the resulting photos seem to be Japanese rather than Chinese btw.

[thegenius1]

Originally Posted by Edwin

夜店 (in Japanese) seems to refer to the little street stalls you see dotted around Tokyo at night, serving ramen, gyouza and other hot, quick convenience foods. Indeed the dictionary I'm using has it as "night shop" or "night fair".

A quick look on Google Image Search (a great way to confirm the meaning of many domains) shows the same thing...
http://images.google.com/images?hl=e...ch&sa=N&tab=wi

All the resulting photos seem to be Japanese rather than Chinese btw.

This Thread is not About NightClub.com .... But here is the origanal postings http://www.idnforums.com/forums/572-...aming-%3F.html and like i have already stated it is SLANG for nightclub....Verifing what WebCor is talking about, a term that you wont find, but the overture is 18k and if you need more evidence of a case that has been ajurned Weeks ago put this in tw overture and then put it in Jap ovt. WOW MAJOR UPDATE...... Havnt checkd the overture in weeks, Slang Spreads Quick UP to 71,754 lmao

[donwebcorleone]

genius, i used ur nightclub as an example if u register an english-japanese IDN with the idea of japanese market. i didnt mean anything u know me.

and jeff, i meant dumb to that guy, not u.

if this guys keep pissing me off I should visit again the trademarks office in Tokyo and register his IDNs as my trademarks! as i did with some of my IDNs. after all if he hasnt done so, then they will be mine. as simple as that is the law, first come, first served; or to prepare money to pay japanese lawyers to defend them!!! so dont bother me dude. japanese are nice but dont bother when u dont even know the language or u dont even live in Tokyo. Im nice but dont go too far...

[Olney]

Do you really have to hold out on announcing some of your better buys.
I'm in a bit of a different situation as I have to show examples since I help start the market. Anything you really want get the extensions you need.

This is one of the reasons why I said com & jp it's too early to judge which is better. Currently I register both if available. It just makes sense & I advice you to do the same.

If it's a really good term I know I have a connection to sell it or develop it as a brand I buy the dot net too or simply I don't post it.

[rhys]

[quote=donwebcorleone]u know this member idowner pissed me off. because i come here to help those who dont speak japanese and voila! morons like him appear.
QUOTE]

This is actually quite an unpleasant thread to read through. IMO If you don't want people to take your ideas, don't tell anyone until you are ready! If you want an appraisal PM someone you trust. If you notice, usually when I announce a reg of mine, I have a strategy in mind. I also try to leave a derivative or a .net open for someone who wants a freebie idea. I consider the free riding to be part of the tax of being on the forum. So let's stop the whining and complaining and posturing over who is so smart and who doesn't speak Japanese and blah blah blah. I think we would surprise each other if we were to disclose our respective degrees and work histories and talents, but I don't think that most of us frankly care. It is not the main point in my opinion. I'm here to help others but not to the exclusion of my portfolio. That is the reality of this particular construct.

Don made some bang on a domain he sold. Congratulations, let's celebrate that and learn about what speech he made to the buyer to do that. That would be a worthy, f*(&(*&ng positive contribution to the forum.

[kenne]

Concur with Rhys.

If my domain is good enough that others would copy it, so much the better.

In fact some of mine is so bad, that I'm praying for the day when all of its alternative extension are taken

Also, i must say that I really appreciate Don doing the educating and marketing, helping proving and creating demand for IDNs.

[Rubber Duck]

It is quite simple. If it is not regged then it is fair game. Those have always been the rules of Domaining. If you didn't think it was worth snatching at the time, it is no good bitching about it later.

I think I have been pretty generous with information, but I don't hand out what I regard as commercially sensitive stuff. No business that is properly managed does that. Yes, I have borrowed ideas from forum discussions, why not? I am sure that others have done the same to me. We have registered huge numbers over the last month and a half, and still have plenty of ideas. I have also handed out my list of recent registrations to individuals that I know would make use of them. I have personally ensured that all the dot nets behind my dot coms have been registered. If I wanted a "Vertical" which I have done for terms like News or Download, then I did it at the time!

Last of all, lists are great, but they all have a shelf life. If someone hits the same Vein of Gold as yourself, friend or foe, your lists can be trashed within minutes. If the names on those lists are important to you, then mortgage the house if you must, but get them regged!

[touchring]

It depends on what you are here for.

I'm doing this also for fun, besides to make money. It's fun to post and to express one's thoughts on this forum.

Life is short, and being able to enjoy is more important.

[alex]

I'm arriving late in the thread, so my options mostly reiterate what has already been said.

1. Don't post anything anywhere on the internet if you don't want everyone in the world to see it. Even if it's an "underground" forum, you have to assume whatever you post might be printed on the front page of the New York Times.

Taking this into consideration, you have the following options:

a) Don't post until you own all the possible TLDs, alternate spellings, alternate compounds and typos. Or until all the other similiar names are naturally bought up by others.

b) Don't post.

2. I think there are numerous benefits of public discussion and even "copycat" registrations.

a) If you own the .jp or the .com and a "copycat" buys up the .net, your holdings become more valuable because of basic economics and the rules of scarcity. The value of your .jp or .com just went up, because if a company is looking for "furniture.com," but it's already gone and .net is still available, they might settle for the .net. If the .net is gone, they'll most likely approach the owner of the more popular TLDs .jp or .com first.

b) More purchases, even "copycat" purchases, means more interest, investors and publicity for the IDN market. Again, this causes the value of your domains to go up, along with an overall increase in market value.

It's a given that everyone on the forum is competing for a limited resource. The competition itself should help to grow the market, and benefit everyone.

Everyone here helps out with ideas, translations and appraisals, which help determine precedents for future sales.

You're not required to post your holdings, but if you do you have to be prepared for copycats. Not only that, but a copycat might be inspired by your post to find an even more valuable domain.

As you can see from this thread, everyone has their own personal criteria for deciding how many cards they want to lay on the table. It's all part of the game.

[Rubber Duck]

Alex, my thought entirely, but you have expressed them so elegantly!

[alex]

Originally Posted by Dwrixon

Alex, my thought entirely, but you have expressed them so elegantly!

Thanks for the flattering words.

[bwhhisc]

Originally Posted by Jeff

No.... ppl in America are very familiar with Anime being very hot in Japan as well as fortune telling. Those 2 keywords were obvious

Yes, they were obvious. And Huron is from S. America I believe, and I am sure anime is also known there, but not a "mainstream" word like in Japan. Anime is 10x more popular in Japan than in US, but the term is known to most. My point is that Olney published that this was one of his "favorite" IDNs, and I am sure that this had a "small" part in the spark for Huron registering anime.tv. So the forum may have provided some basis; is there something wrong with him registering this...no way!

Originally Posted by donwebcorleone

if this guys keep pissing me off I should visit again the trademarks office in Tokyo and register his IDNs as my trademarks! as i did with some of my IDNs. after all if he hasnt done so, then they will be mine. as simple as that is the law, first come, first served; or to prepare money to pay japanese lawyers to defend them!!! so dont bother me dude. japanese are nice but dont bother when u dont even know the language or u dont even live in Tokyo. Im nice but dont go too far...

DWC- I don't think any threats against any other forum member are approprate here. He is entitled to his opinion and you are to yours.

[touchring]

Looks like the first come first served law are common in both Japan and China - it doesn't matter if your trademark is McDonalds'. If Mr ABC registers that trademark first in China or Japan, it's his trademark.