Fair Play: are you here to help or to copycat other members IDNs? - IDN Forums

donwebcorleone · #1 02-16-2006, 04:54 AM

i have thought to show some of the IDNs i have picked up for appraisals or to discuss about them, but i feel IDNers usually don't play a fair game. If i say i just bought a japanese IDN and i want to know what u guys think like lets say a word like パソコン。jp -laptop- i feel many members immediately try to go before to reply my post and try to register any other extensions like パソコン.net, etc. and worst! later they said "i just registered this and that because of you thanks!" id say thanks my $%#$%#!

Fair? i think it is not fair because I mean i just wanna know if the IDN is good to see if i should buy more extensions but then it seems a stupid idea to show my IDNs because when i do all other extensions will be taken by opportunistic IDNers who cant think by their own.

second and similar attitude that i found unfair is that if i say i found some great IDNs available in a X area or something like that and what people think about me registering IDN in that area, and then voila! everyone begins to register similar IDNs in that area. i feel there is too much copycat.

anyway it is everyone feeling the same way? what's the benefit to show your IDNs if people will just go for the area you are registering IDNs or they will try to register all other possible available extensions to your IDN? I know IDN is a business, u do it or someone will but then what about forums like this one? I think Olney and other members understand what i mean because many of Olney's IDNs are going through too many "copycat" registrations in this forum after he shows what he register.

Although I admire the girl/member from Greece in here because she also helps people telling them possible or better variations to the greek IDNs. but other members are just copying what others are registering.

Anyway, i guess japanese ethics is a bit different and thats why im afraid to show any IDN i have sold or i have bought to avoid people copycat what im doing. Are people here to help people with their doubts about their IDNs or to copycat what they are registering?

IDNCowboy · #2 02-16-2006, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by donwebcorleone

i have thought to show some of the IDNs i have picked up for appraisals or to discuss about them, but i feel IDNers usually don't play a fair game. If i say i just bought a japanese IDN and i want to know what u guys think like lets say a word like パソコン。jp -laptop- i feel many members immediately try to go before to reply my post and try to register any other extensions like パソコン.net, etc. and worst! later they said "i just registered this and that because of you thanks!" id say thanks my $%#$%#!

Fair? i think it is not fair because I mean i just wanna know if the IDN is good to see if i should buy more extensions but then it seems a stupid idea to show my IDNs because when i do all other extensions will be taken by opportunistic IDNers who cant think by their own.

second and similar attitude that i found unfair is that if i say i found some great IDNs available in a X area or something like that and what people think about me registering IDN in that area, and then voila! everyone begins to register similar IDNs in that area. i feel there is too much copycat.

anyway it is everyone feeling the same way? what's the benefit to show your IDNs if people will just go for the area you are registering IDNs or they will try to register all other possible available extensions to your IDN? I know IDN is a business, u do it or someone will but then what about forums like this one? I think Olney and other members understand what i mean because many of Olney's IDNs are going through too many "copycat" registrations in this forum after he shows what he register.

Although I admire the girl/member from Greece in here because she also helps people telling them possible or better variations to the greek IDNs. but other members are just copying what others are registering.

Anyway, i guess japanese ethics is a bit different and thats why im afraid to show any IDN i have sold or i have bought to avoid people copycat what im doing. Are people here to help people with their doubts about their IDNs or to copycat what they are registering?

I hate when people do that... but think about this as the domain name goldrush.. Not much seems to be left especially in Chinese. Most people right now care more about grabbing a good name than about proper behavior. Call it greed. If you're selling a name or askign for an appraisal and its a hot name I bet they'll check the .net and .jp to see the availability.

Edwin · #3 02-16-2006, 05:08 AM

People have piggybacked off the back of my appraisal requests quite a few times, but I don't really mind since my working assumption is ANY domain could go at ANY time so I should register what I really want RIGHT NOW.

What would annoy me though is if somebody posts a correction (say a spelling change) that is clearly identified as being aimed at the thread originator, and somebody else grabs it before they have a chance to re-read the thread.

On the other hand, this problem is as old as domains and discussion boards - even if the regular posters behave themselves, you can't vouch for what the lurkers will do - and on most forums lurkers and guests outnumber the regulars by a wide margin.

Giant · #4 02-16-2006, 05:11 AM

No, I do not call these people copycat, I call them smart people. That's what I come here for, to help and to be helped.

When they register all other extentions, they are actually spending their own money to push up the value of your domains. You should say thank you to them.

Edwin · #5 02-16-2006, 05:11 AM

It's also worth remembering that a lot of us are sitting on lists of "possibles" i.e. domains we're still thinking about registering. Seeing somebody post something off of one of our lists tends to send us running to see what other similar domains we've already flagged as being "worth a look" so that we can get them/not get them before they're gone.

Again, this issue has come up on just about every domain board I've been a member of, for year after year after year.

Bottom line: if you don't want other people tailgating on your registrations, say NOTHING AT ALL.

thegenius1 · #6 02-16-2006, 05:13 AM

Yeah i feel you web, not gonna say any names but i felt some type of way when sombody kept rubbing in what they got from my thread, but like you said its business, and like jeff said its paranioa of not gettiing any good names... and like edwin said it does inspire you sometimes to grab something off the to reg list... i try to look at the upside that maybe we can work with that person or vice versa if we are going to close a deal, or it will up the value because the other ext. are extinct, but it would always be better for one party to own them all

Olney · #7 02-16-2006, 05:13 AM

Why you think I usually post domains that I own all the extensions for...
As soon as I post things I want to register or why I'm registering I can just expect everything to go in that market.

After I bought 4 states the rest went & every major city in like 2 days...
I learned quick...

idnowner · #8 02-16-2006, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff

... its a hot name I bet they'll check the .net and .jp to see the availability.

Actually, I like it when I get the dot-com and other people get the other extensions. It can make your domain more valuable, and yours is the best.

(I understand some people feel a .jp may or could be better)

bwhhisc · #9 02-16-2006, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by donwebcorleone

but i feel IDNers usually don't play a fair game.

I would say quite the contrary. IDNers are incredibly generous with their information and assist of others. In the case you mention, you need to get private opinions rather than posting if you are considering getting all the extensions of a domain.

From what I have seen, most IDNers register the .com when possible, and would rather spend their next $8 on another .com where possible, rather than picking up the .net. We have pick up dozens of .nets from ideas gained in the forum, and many of those times send a pm of thanks to the person who posted. Anything that is open to register is fair game, and with the numbers we are seeing in this forum there are a lot of eyes watching the boards. You should be flattered when someone thinks enough of your find to register behind you, and if it bothers you don't post because just about everything is getting mopped up these days if you haven't noticed!

IDNCowboy · #10 02-16-2006, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by idnowner

Actually, I like it when I get the dot-com and other people get the other extensions. It can make your domain more valuable, and yours is the best.

(I understand some people feel a .jp may or could be better)

Alot of the good names are taken by Netster or JOB Collect or whatever its called :P or our own Dave ;-)

so yea value gets pushed up when all extensions are taken.

I picked up a 100k dictionary .com domain today so i'm happy

idnowner · #11 02-16-2006, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff

I picked up a 100k dictionary .com domain today so i'm happy

Wow, you got a 100K dictionary .com! I would ask which one, but I'm sure you don't want the other IDNer's getting the other extensions and others in that area! ;-)

bwhhisc · #12 02-16-2006, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by idnowner

Actually, I like it when I get the dot-com and other people get the other extensions. It can make your domain more valuable, and yours is the best.

Absolutely right...when the .net gets booked behind our .com, the value of the domain just went up.

IDNCowboy · #13 02-16-2006, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by bwhhisc

Absolutely right...when the .net gets booked behind our .com, the value of the domain just went up.

I apologize, i meant the yandex said 100k searches/month and i confirmed it with a russian speaker

donwebcorleone · #14 02-16-2006, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by idnowner

Wow, you got a 100K dictionary .com! I would ask which one, but I'm sure you don't want the other IDNer's getting the other extensions and others in that area! ;-)

it is amazing u think is funny that someone steals the ideas you are working. but dude, if i post in here one of the IDN i have sold in 1.000.000 yen i bet my life that u will think if this guy is selling this kind of IDN name at this stage i will register similar names and extensions. Lets say i said here i sold tokyostores.jp in one million yen, then im sure many will go and try to register osakastores.jp yokohamastores.jp in a few minutes and many more in that area of city+stores.

after all, u might think if im in japan, i speak japanese and i m already selling IDNs, why shouldnt u become greedy and try to register similar IDNs to try to grab part of my city+stores.jp cake? got my point?

bwhhisc · #15 02-16-2006, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Edwin

What would annoy me though is if somebody posts a correction (say a spelling change) that is clearly identified as being aimed at the thread originator, and somebody else grabs it before they have a chance to re-read the thread.

Edwin, I could not more strongly agree on this point. If we see one, we usually pm the poster to give them time. Anyone sniping mis-spells should get put in the penalty box.

idnowner · #16 02-16-2006, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by donwebcorleone

it is amazing u think is funny that someone steals the ideas you are working. but dude, if i post in here one of the IDN i have sold in 1.000.000 yen i bet my life that u will think if this guy is selling this kind of IDN name at this stage i will register similar names and extensions. Lets say i said here i sold tokyostores.jp in one million yen, then im sure many will go and try to register osakastores.jp yokohamastores.jp in a few minutes and many more in that area of city+stores.

after all, u might think if im in japan, i speak japanese and i m already selling IDNs, why shouldnt u become greedy and try to register similar IDNs to try to grab part of my city+stores.jp cake? got my point?

I've already got my cake (and a pie in the oven), so I'm not out to get anything else. And I've only got 1 IDN.net domain.

If it's ideas you want, try medical terms, generic drug names, construction terms, architecture, great inventions, boating items, foods, fruits, animals, sea creatures, types of jewelry - go through the yellow pages!

bwhhisc · #17 02-16-2006, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by donwebcorleone

it is amazing u think is funny that someone steals the ideas you are working. but dude, if i post in here one of the IDN i have sold in 1.000.000 yen i bet my life that u will think if this guy is selling this kind of IDN name at this stage i will register similar names and extensions. Lets say i said here i sold tokyostores.jp in one million yen, then im sure many will go and try to register osakastores.jp yokohamastores.jp in a few minutes and many more in that area of city+stores.

after all, u might think if im in japan, i speak japanese and i m already selling IDNs, why shouldnt u become greedy and try to register similar IDNs to try to grab part of my city+stores.jp cake? got my point?

DWC- Your only choice is not to post your ideas, because there are far too many people here, visitors as well. And most are here to learn and get ideas!!! If you are working on a market niche, you need to keep you sales private until you have finished your reging. There are many here that want to share their "good finds" with the forum, and that leaves open the possiblity that the other extensions will get booked. They know that seeing their .nets get picked up just makes their domains that much more valuable. Does anyone fault Huron for booking anime.tv, you know he got the idea from Olney repeated posting of his anime.jp. I was personally happy for the guy. This is a (friendly) but competitive sport!

IDNCowboy · #18 02-16-2006, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by bwhhisc

DWC- Your only choice is not to post your ideas, because there are far too many people here, visitors as well. And most are here to learn and get ideas!!! If you are working on a market niche, you need to keep you sales private until you have finished your reging. There are many here that want to share their "good finds" with the forum, and that leaves open the possiblity that the other extensions will get booked. They know that seeing their .nets get picked up just makes their domains that much more valuable. Does anyone fault Huron for booking anime.tv, you know he got the idea from Olney repeated posting of his anime.jp. I was personally happy for the guy. This is a (friendly) but competitive sport!

No.... ppl in America are very familiar with Anime being very hot in Japan as well as fortune telling

Those 2 keywords were obvious

donwebcorleone · #19 02-16-2006, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by idnowner

I've already got my cake (and a pie in the oven), so I'm not out to get anything else. And I've only got 1 IDN.net domain.

If it's ideas you want, try medical terms, generic drug names, construction terms, architecture, great inventions, boating items, foods, fruits, animals (I believe walrus in Japanese is available), sea creatures, types of jewelry - go through the yellow pages!

i guess u r funny pal who doenst speak japanese. thats why u cant find any new words to register. im sure u have a few great japanese words but tons of great "english" japanese words like many guys in here. good luck with them!

idnowner · #20 02-16-2006, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by donwebcorleone

i guess u r funny pal who doenst speak japanese. thats why u cant find any new words to register. im sure u have a few great japanese words but tons of great "english" japanese words like many guys in here. good luck with them!

Well, I got some great domains in Japanese IDN.com.