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Old 16th February 2006, 09:16 AM
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Parking Rip-off?

I have to say that I am getting the impression that I am being totally ripped off by both Namedrive and Sedo at the moment.

The main issue is Simplified Chinese Traffic. There seems to be growing indications that this traffic is there but neither of these services is letting us see anything more than the paltry amount that comes from North America. Even that small amount of traffic is penalised for relevance, even though it is American Webrowser being pointed at American Advertising.

I think there is growing credibility gap here, if not Chasm. I am looking for some clear evidence that we are getting transparency from both of these parking services. If they are not prepared more than buttons for clicks then that is their perogative. If the real numbers of uniques are actually being hidden from us, then in my view, that is fraud.

The bottom line is that IDN is coming. Parking services will eventually be available. If Sedo and Namedrive are not seen to be acting as honest brokers by the domain community, then their services will not be in demand even if they are eventually competitive. Some of us have very long memories.
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We should get some software that monitors actually what is going on so we can have a case, if this is actually happening , or collectively start a Idn parking service specifiaclly for IDNS
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Actually, the easiest way is to create a script that automatically creates a page with relevant keywords, contents (drawn from a paragraph in wikipedia), and then show Google or Yahoo ads.

My suspicion is that, very soon, they may start to ban traffic from other '3rd world countries' - that would happen when IDN starts to pickup.

I'm a Google advertiser myself, and traffic from India and Russia do not convert at all. Traffic from Latin America, East Europe (Hungary, etc) and China do convert to some extent into sales.

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Old 16th February 2006, 09:33 AM
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We should get some software that monitors actually what is going on so we can have a case, if this is actually happening , or collectively start a Idn parking service specifiaclly for IDNS
Well Giant appears to be doing that and getting the traffic on what on the surface of things seems to be a very similar portfolio to my own. Some treat his figures with disbelief, but my view is that I would would sooner trust his statements than those of the Parking Services on this issue.

I by constrast am seeing sweet FA!

If someone on this forum feels that they have the ability and the resources to set up an IDN specific parking service, then I for one would be very interested!

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Actually, the easiest way is to create a script that automatically creates a page with relevant keywords, contents (drawn from a paragraph in wikipedia), and then show Google or Yahoo ads.
Sounds good to me but where does someone who has no real knowledge of HTML get started.
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Sounds like something I can work on .
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Hi Dave,

Sorry to hear you think you're being ripped off. I can't vouch for Sedo, but I can categorically say that there is no 'meddling' going on in any way on our side as it is simply not in anyone's interests. Our earnings are intrinsically linked to the earnings in your accounts. If something is not shown in your account, there is nothing taken on our side either. There is no pre-formatting of results or manipulation of traffic. We get our earnings data from Google and simply upload it directly into your accounts.
Traffic data is purely on our side but is closely tied into Google's reporting too.

As far back as September, just a couple of weeks after launch, we were informed by a customer in China that the Chinese government was blocking our pages. I'm not sure if any of you are based in China to confirm this, but this clearly has a drastic effect on traffic. Recent controversy with the Chinese government and Google clearly doesn't help us in this matter. I believe this is the same with Sedo, Domain Sponsor and pretty much any other major parking program.

I know that the guys on your side of the fence have an inherent distrust of parking companies and we have always tried to strive against that opinion based on the behaviour of others who have gone before us. I can guarantee you that this is not an internal decision. We would gain nothing from doing so other than inspiring people to post threads like these.

IDN is certainly coming and I feel that the entire PPC industry is somehow not really ready for it. I feel that we have shown to you that we are committed to providing the best support we can with the resources we have at our disposal. However, we cannot lose focus that we are primarily a parking company with its strongest presence in the Land of the Latin Character and, with only 3 programmers and tens of projects to close, there are steps we can take to provide support for you guys, but they are still tentative first steps for the entire industry.

We will continue to work on it, but I would like to assure you again that the low traffic figures for China is in no way a conscious internal decision on our part.

Sorry for the length of this..

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Dave, why not send the traffic to your own server and test it ?

Ok, never mind, the explanation of Ed is assurance enough .
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Ok, so it's the other way round, China's blocking Sedo and Namedrive, and not the other way round. Has anyone found the reason for it on the web. Could it be something to do with 'gambling ads'?
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Yup, the only solution here is to test the traffic at your end to get an idea.
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Hi Dave,

Sorry to hear you think you're being ripped off. I can't vouch for Sedo, but I can categorically say that there is no 'meddling' going on in any way on our side as it is simply not in anyone's interests. Our earnings are intrinsically linked to the earnings in your accounts. If something is not shown in your account, there is nothing taken on our side either. There is no pre-formatting of results or manipulation of traffic. We get our earnings data from Google and simply upload it directly into your accounts.
Traffic data is purely on our side but is closely tied into Google's reporting too.

As far back as September, just a couple of weeks after launch, we were informed by a customer in China that the Chinese government was blocking our pages. I'm not sure if any of you are based in China to confirm this, but this clearly has a drastic effect on traffic. Recent controversy with the Chinese government and Google clearly doesn't help us in this matter. I believe this is the same with Sedo, Domain Sponsor and pretty much any other major parking program.

I know that the guys on your side of the fence have an inherent distrust of parking companies and we have always tried to strive against that opinion based on the behaviour of others who have gone before us. I can guarantee you that this is not an internal decision. We would gain nothing from doing so other than inspiring people to post threads like these.

IDN is certainly coming and I feel that the entire PPC industry is somehow not really ready for it. I feel that we have shown to you that we are committed to providing the best support we can with the resources we have at our disposal. However, we cannot lose focus that we are primarily a parking company with its strongest presence in the Land of the Latin Character and, with only 3 programmers and tens of projects to close, there are steps we can take to provide support for you guys, but they are still tentative first steps for the entire industry.

We will continue to work on it, but I would like to assure you again that the low traffic figures for China is in no way a conscious internal decision on our part.

Sorry for the length of this..

Ed

Well thanks you that detailed response. Sedo were also given the heads up on this one and it will be interesting to see whether they have the same commitment to communicate what is actually happening.

I take you explanation at face value, but it does little to alter my view that the traffic is actually there, but we are not being accredited even with the uniques. This is having a devasting impact on the IDN reselling market at it is impossible to show which domains will attract revenue when everyone has got their act together.

If Sedo and Namedrive are not able to resolve this problem, I am sure that some enterprising members of this forum will soon do so. Once the word is out that the traffic is there then someone will want to turn it into hard bucks. Anyone who can come in first with the goods and then go onto provide a half reasonable service is likely to get my loyalty. There are not many on this forum who have any illusions about the value of cut of future earnings on my portfolio, even if the main Parking services are not interested, and you will misundestimate their site building skills at your peril.

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Ok, so it's the other way round, China's blocking Sedo and Namedrive, and not the other way round. Has anyone found the reason for it on the web. Could it be something to do with 'gambling ads'?
It is the oldest trick in the book to blame the Chinese Government. Frankly, I don't buy it. If you are to believe Namedrive's explanation, then in my view the focus switches to Google!

As far as the traffic is concerned, due to previous surges, due to faulty suppression on somebodies part, I am confident that the traffic is actually there! Yes, we need to come up with a system for at least providing stats if not revenue. This would at least give us leverage into what is likely to become a protracted negociation.

On the other hand if Bramzio does come up with a parking solution, then it is likely to be a lot more eloquent than the pigs ear of site that Sedo.cn has become!
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I've been thinking about hosting a few of my own domains as test sites for Japanese traffic.

Does anyone know whether accounts with Google US or Yahoo US will allow you to display Japanese language/market ads? Or do you have to sign up and create accounts with the local subsidiaries? I may have to call in some favors to be able to receive Japanese Yen bank transfer payments.
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Same account....
I'll confirm that...
I use adsense on some of my Japanese sites...
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Thanks. That's good to know. I guess I don't have any excuse not to get started right away.
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Yes, LOOK! The competitors are starting to line up for the start of the Great IDN Open Traffic Race.

Oh! there seems to be a little drama in Lane 1. Has Sedo pulled a hamstring??!!!
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That's the quote of the day

On a serious note, I second Dave's idea to have some parking/traffic measuring system that caters specificly to our small but dynamic IDN community. Cheers!

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btw, enom is also banned.

ok, in case everyone here thinks everything is banned in china - i've no problems accessing cnn.com, time.com, and even some porn sites. None of the websites i've created and hosted at ev1servers.net are banned in China.

For some reasons, parking services or any domain company that serves parking pages are banned??

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Why would they lie about it ? Seriously .

But I think the time is indeed right for a new (kind of) parking service.

Anyone in for a joint venture...
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I, too, also don't see a reason for them to lie. But, I am at a fairweather stage in the game currently. I would offer my portfolio for parking to anyone that can monetize the traffic first.
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Why would they lie about it ? Seriously .

But I think the time is indeed right for a new (kind of) parking service.

Anyone in for a joint venture...
Practically all parking services are banned by China, so you may like to find out why before planning the JV.
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Practically all parking services are banned by China, so you may like to find out why before planning the JV.
You may be right .

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