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Old 18th March 2007, 09:40 PM
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Now we all know nothing and have no experience , and those early land rushers are sitting on junk .. we should build our portfolios through snap.

"The guys who plug IDNs (other than Edwin and
> Drewbert) have relatively little domain experience and
> have not made mistakes to understand what are
> successes. They are sitting on valueless portfolios -
> which they don't know yet. Good IDNs are available at
> relatively low-cost with little competition at
> Snapnames all of the time"

I wonder who wrote this ?

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Ignore the grandstanding. The most important part is this:

> The BIG problem for most IDN owners (who do not have
> the cash-flow to survive the long-haul) is the weak
> penetration of Google in most Asian countries. I am in
> Asia right now and if I do a search on Google (with my
> asian-based IP) for a relatively popular term such as
> "insurance" (written in Korean at google.co.kr) I am
> seeing no advertisers. The same search at yahoo.co.kr
> yields better results and so on and so forth across
> other popular engines here. However, the only PPC
> aggregators offering IDN monetization ops use
> google-based feeds. Put two and two together and you
> see the end result. If your domain has traffic and you
> send it to your aggregator, who then has no
> advertisers (or pooorly matched advertising) then the
> traffic is wasted. This is the BIG problem that no-one
> is talking about because (I think) most are US-based
> or European-based and are not doing their homework. If
> I were them I'd be courting Yahoo-based feeds and
> pushing hard to have them offer IDN monetization.

Which is 100% on target. We need Yahoo-based feeds for Japanese traffic, since Yahoo has the best Japanese ads.
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Re: More IDN Ramblings on *FS* Blog

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Now we all know nothing and have no experience , and those early land rushers are sitting on junk .. we should build our portfolios through snap.
The words of Ghandi start to come to mind...

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.


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You would think he would at least sign his name.

Most people here have hundreds of IDNs equal to or better than the few coming thru Snap.

He is indeed correct on monetization, but fails to see that the market place will soon adopt IDN
when browser support is in place and the rest will follow.

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You would think he would at least sign his name.

Most people here have hundreds of IDNs equal to or better than the few coming thru Snap.

He is indeed correct on monetization, but fails to see that the market place will soon adopt IDN
when browser support is in place and the rest will follow.
Alot of terms in korean don't have google ads yet. He should have looked at the Asian market. Korea is a forthcoming market tho.
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Ignore the grandstanding. The most important part is this:

> The BIG problem for most IDN owners (who do not have
> the cash-flow to survive the long-haul) is the weak
> penetration of Google in most Asian countries. I am in
> Asia right now and if I do a search on Google (with my
> asian-based IP) for a relatively popular term such as
> "insurance" (written in Korean at google.co.kr) I am
> seeing no advertisers. The same search at yahoo.co.kr
> yields better results and so on and so forth across
> other popular engines here. However, the only PPC
> aggregators offering IDN monetization ops use
> google-based feeds. Put two and two together and you
> see the end result. If your domain has traffic and you
> send it to your aggregator, who then has no
> advertisers (or pooorly matched advertising) then the
> traffic is wasted. This is the BIG problem that no-one
> is talking about because (I think) most are US-based
> or European-based and are not doing their homework. If
> I were them I'd be courting Yahoo-based feeds and
> pushing hard to have them offer IDN monetization.

Which is 100% on target. We need Yahoo-based feeds for Japanese traffic, since Yahoo has the best Japanese ads.
That is entirely country dependent. And I really resent (whoever wrote this blog) saying that "(I think) most are US-based or European-based and are not doing their homework".

He suddenly discovers IDNs and then declares us (many of whom are based in Asia) haven't done their homework. He also presume the only way to make money is via PPC. What a crock of shit. Go learn some more domain parker.
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Re: More IDN Ramblings on *FS* Blog

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That is entirely country dependent. And I really resent (whoever wrote this blog) saying that "(I think) most are US-based or European-based and are not doing their homework".

He suddenly discovers IDNs and then declares us (many of whom are based in Asia) haven't done their homework. He also presume the only way to make money is via PPC. What a crock of shit. Go learn some more domain parker.
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That is entirely country dependent. And I really resent (whoever wrote this blog) saying that "(I think) most are US-based or European-based and are not doing their homework".

He suddenly discovers IDNs and then declares us (many of whom are based in Asia) haven't done their homework. He also presume the only way to make money is via PPC. What a crock of shit. Go learn some more domain parker.
He obviously has not done his homework and talked to those who have looked at thousands
upon thousands of international "who.is" registrations. The group of IDNers he catagorizes probably
hold 10% of the total IDN registrations at best.
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Jeez guys.

That thread is a big shift towards "invest in IDN's" and all you can do is moan?
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Re: More IDN Ramblings on *FS* Blog

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Jeez guys.

That thread is a big shift towards "invest in IDN's" and all you can do is moan?
rest assured, the moonies will soon make an arch enemy out of FS thru IDN and all those who worship it
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Well the guy is obviously biased and/or wants to keep prices low to invest right now. But the statement he made doesn't make any sense.

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The guys who plug IDNs (other than Edwin and
> Drewbert) have relatively little domain experience and
> have not made mistakes to understand what are
> successes. They are sitting on valueless portfolios -
> which they don't know yet.
So Drewbert and Edwin have made the mistakes and do understand success and know they are sitting on valueless portfolios yet continue to invest?

Is that making any sense to any of you?
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I wouldn't worry about it. Just a generalisation.

Many of you are sitting on gold. Whoever said it will see that when you cash your first big sales check.

Rise above it.
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I wouldn't worry about it. Just a generalisation.

Many of you are sitting on gold. Whoever said it will see that when you cash your first big sales check.

Rise above it.
I'm a rock - dood. Nada, can move me. Just pointing out the obvious. You can't argue with a person who starts a post with a huge "lack of the obvious" is all I'm saying.
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Well the guy is obviously biased and/or wants to keep prices low to invest right now. But the statement he made doesn't make any sense.



So Drewbert and Edwin have made the mistakes and do understand success and know they are sitting on valueless portfolios yet continue to invest?

Is that making any sense to any of you?
Yes it does: (this is how I read it)

Drewbert and Edwin have made mistakes in the past so they understand how to succeed in this biz, therefore having the isnight of picking the right domains, so their portfolios (must be) are great.

All the rest of youz domains suck ass
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All the rest of youz domains suck ass
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Re: More IDN Ramblings on *FS* Blog

Whichever way you look at it, it is super-bizarre that a big hitting influencing guy like FS should post up an anonymous paragraph that effectively names two individuals and states that their hard work and investment todate amounts to jack.

its just plain weird.

you know what? i'm at the stage where i couldn't give a rats ass if idn's sink without a trace, to have a front row seat amongst all this drama, speculation and rumour, it's a rush that money can't buy.
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You read it wrong Gary. He's saying the opposite.
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you know what? i'm at the stage where i couldn't give a rats ass if idn's sink without a trace, to have a front row seat amongst all this drama, speculation and rumour, it's a rush that money can't buy.
Thats because deep down inside you know like i know the sun will rise tomorrow whether we go around shouting about it or not.. To be amongst it and know you are going to get the last laugh is something that surely will be missed.








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You read it wrong Gary. He's saying the opposite.
no i read it right.

My point is that this anonymous guy is saying that idn's are in for the long haul, and all that garbage about no Asian advertiser payouts.

the fact that Drew and Edwin get mentioned and accredited with having previous domain skills is great, but it doesnt detract from the point made that people have wasted their money.. bla bla bla.
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Jeez guys.

That thread is a big shift towards "invest in IDN's" and all you can do is moan?

I agree, what he is saying is there is money, but you need to use discretion.

"Lawyer.com" in arabic was just sold for the price of what a respectable law firm in dubai would charge to write a correspondence.

Is it so difficult to make money in IDNs? Don't take a genius to find out what names to buy to make money:

1. Buy .COM.
2. Buy prime generics.
3. Buy major languages.

As in real estate investment, Location, location, location.

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