格安ホテル.jp Cheap Hotel

[Olney]

Ok guys what's your opinion on Cheap Hotel in Japanese

格安ホテル.jp
OVT 32,488

[rhys]

You can imagine that an Expedia (which is making a big expansion push into Japan, I have the JP managing directors name somewhere...) or other online travel company would want to gobble up all the 格安 travel vertical for traffic and marketing reasons. What detracts from the domain is that it appeals to value traffic not high end so margins on the site will be low for the actual back-end provider also because it is "hotels" not the broader "travel" generic platform domain.

[bwhhisc]

As a person who travels a lot...when we are going to a city we have to house our production crews. We search <cheap> <motel> (or hotel) plus city we are going to ie. <atlanta>.

Usually the Expedia.com and Hotel.com folks come up first... but then come the smart independent hotels with the right key words.

I think these are good key words, however....we ALWAYS add a city name to narrow the search when we are shopping for hotel rooms otherwise you get zillions of websites for the wrong cities, not the one we want.

[idnceo]

double post. sorry.

[idnceo]

I think people are giving too many 8 or 9. Dont take it the wrong way Olney, but cmon you cant give a 9 to 格安ホテル.jp because if 格安ホテル gets 9 then ホテル.jp must get 10 and what about 旅行.jp travel.jp? i should give it a 11/10 !?

[bwhhisc]

I think people are giving too many 8 or 9. Dont take it the wrong way Olney, but cmon you cant give a 9 to 格安ホテル.jp because if 格安ホテル gets 9 then ホテル.jp must get 10 and what about 旅行.jp travel.jp? i should give it a 11/10 !?

Rating depend on your perspective of how excited you would be to have a domain, and how you know it can be developed. In my case, I am in the meetings/convention/travel business and I know that names in that arena are going to be gold and BIG revenue machines for final user. Other people are excited about food terms- salt, pepper, and molasses! To each their own.

At this stage of the game, most are reg'ing 7,8,9 and 10's. You should expect that since it was a wide open field. And of course a bunch of 1's when you screw up the language!

Bill

[IDNCowboy]

this was another name on my todo list but in the beginning since every1 said don't reg under 100K i didn't touch it :P

it is a fabulous domain ! :)

[thegenius1]

I think people are giving too many 8 or 9. Dont take it the wrong way Olney, but cmon you cant give a 9 to 格安ホテル.jp because if 格安ホテル gets 9 then ホテル.jp must get 10 and what about 旅行.jp travel.jp? i should give it a 11/10 !?

I will have to admitt that i accidentily hit the 9 button, i was going to give it a 8 rating tho

[jose]

Maybe some examples would help us adjust and fine tune our judgments?

[idnceo]

Maybe some examples would help us adjust and fine tune our judgments?

The point is that all this rating system started to evaluate the domains less subjective. But in my opinion, people should consider generic vs. specific, extension .jp vs. .com , .net, Ovt. , search results, etc, etc.

The way i see it is this, someone bring 格安ホテル.jp then it is the travel industry, right? so whats the top ones in this industry? travel.jp would be the 10 in this area, later generic ホテル.jp and later the more specific ones 格安ホテル.jp Now it is a .jp which i would rate very high but i found funny some .com die-hard members still rating a .jp very high.

Later if travel.jp in the same level as 日本 東京 and a few ones that i think are the only 10s, i guess maybe but for me 旅行.jp is a 9, later because the word travel.jp includes domains like hotel.jp airtickets.jp etc. ホテル.jp etc should be 8 and then 格安ホテル.jp should get 7 but since so many guys think a .com is better than .jp maybe 6?

Anyway for bwhhisc or anyone in the travel industry this one sounds awesome but since we are saying is a general value, we shouldnt rate so high just like that. In that case, if im in the japanese food industry i should give a 9 or 10 to rice.jp ...

The fact is in japanese doesnt make them superultra extraorbital special, they words keep a meaning. Remember 旅行.jp when i read it for me is travel. The same way you evaluate the words "new york" "travel" "hotels" "cheaphotels" etc. True isnot more english travel.jp but still the same word and meaning. Dont lose the perspective because it is a japanese IDN and it is not anymore in latin words. Meaning is key as well.

[touchring]

rice.jp can't be compared to hotel.jp, Who buys rice from the internet? :-)

Is the 1-10 a linear scale?

If hotels.com (in English) is a $10 million dollar domain, how much would cheaphotels.com be worth?

[kenne]

rice.jp can't be compared to hotel.jp, Who buys rice from the internet? :-)

Is the 1-10 a linear scale?

If hotels.com (in English) is a $10 million dollar domain, how much would cheaphotels.com be worth?

hotel.com = 20 * cheap hotel = 10 * hotel in japanese = 100/200 * (cheap hotel in Japanese)

so this site will be worth in the 50k-100k range.

hotel is a word common in many languages. So I calculated hotel.com = 10 * hotel in japanese

[idnceo]

rice.jp can't be compared to hotel.jp, Who buys rice from the internet? :-)

Is the 1-10 a linear scale?

If hotels.com (in English) is a $10 million dollar domain, how much would cheaphotels.com be worth?

i understand your point but since the other guy says that some X domains are more valuable depending on your industry, i said so. I know no one buys rice from the internet, but since rice, fish, ramen, are very important for the japanese food industry... honeymoon for weddings industry, hostess clubs for sex industry, etc. The fact you are in X industry doesnt make a domain a 10, right? In that case we are gonna have to give a lot of 10 to everyone who brings domains in X industry, freevideos.jp 9, downloadsongs.jp 8 adultphotos.jp 9.... no point.

And about your statement...

If hotels.com (in English) is a $10 million dollar domain, how much would cheaphotels.com be worth?

you are right is in english -worldwide audience-, not japanese. Japan is second economy in the world but one country. but Why a lot of the japanese IDN should be in 500K or a lot more dollars range? Im very optimistic but not unrealistic. Chinese IDN will be better in that case, being a market of 1.5 billion and very soon will be second economy of the world. Tell me how many clicks i will get for ビジネスホテル.jp businesshotel.jp out of japan ? If someone bought business.com in several millions dollars in the US is because he knows in US, Europe and even the japanese will click and visit business.com. I wouldnt think all japanese paying the same amount of business.com for ホテル.jp etc. Few millions i agree but more than that, unrealistic.

[touchring]

hotel.com = 20 * cheap hotel = 10 * hotel in japanese = 100/200 * (cheap hotel in Japanese)

so this site will be worth in the 50k-100k range.

hotel is a word common in many languages. So I calculated hotel.com = 10 * hotel in japanese


I would also expect cheap hotel to fetch around 100K since the likelihood of type-in for hotel.com would be at least 100 times more than cheaphotel. So if 1-10 were to be a linear scale, it would be impossible to rank cheaphotels.com. Assuming this is not the case, and we rank cheaphotels.com as 9, how should we rank verycheaphotels.com? An 8?

Myself, i would rank likes of hotels.com, casino.com, sex.com a 10, and probably a 9 for blog.com, holiday.com, airtickets.com, pc.com, computer.com, translation.com (Dave's got the Japanese one :-)) and a 7-8 for other single word business terms. Even the best double word business terms will only take the 6th-7th rating.

[kenne]

I would also expect cheap hotel to fetch around 100K since the likelihood of type-in for hotel.com would be at least 100 times more than cheaphotel. So if 1-10 were to be a linear scale, it would be impossible to rank cheaphotels.com. Assuming this is not the case, and we rank cheaphotels.com as 9, how should we rank verycheaphotels.com? An 8?

Myself, i would rank likes of hotels.com, casino.com, sex.com a 10, and probably a 9 for blog.com, holiday.com, airtickets.com, pc.com, computer.com, translation.com (Dave's got the Japanese one :-)) and a 7-8 for other single word business terms. Even the best double word business terms will only take the 6th-7th rating.


I agree with you double terms get penalties. But in a lot of cases, double terms seem to get type in than single terms.


Valuation at this point is just conjecture. I won't even go into Ranking.

[touchring]

I agree with you double terms get penalties. But in a lot of cases, double terms seem to get type in than single terms.


Valuation at this point is just conjecture. I won't even go into Ranking.


Would double generic terms get more type-in? I know some double terms get more OVT because when people search, the more experienced users tend to use 2 words to get more targeted results.

[IDNCowboy]

I agree with you double terms get penalties. But in a lot of cases, double terms seem to get type in than single terms.


Valuation at this point is just conjecture. I won't even go into Ranking.
true they get penalties however they still are brandable on google adwords etc.

[touchring]

true they get penalties however they still are brandable on google adwords etc.

Double terms get severe SEO penalties, at least for English. It might not affect japanese or chinese since people type without the space. In this sense, compound terms in japanese and chinese might be worth much more than their english counterpart.

[kenne]

Would double generic terms get more type-in? I know some double terms get more OVT because when people search, the more experienced users tend to use 2 words to get more targeted results.


Cheap X often gets more type-ins than Cheap... X Sale sometimes get more type ins than X; etc. etc.

[touchring]

Cheap X often gets more type-ins than Cheap... X Sale sometimes get more type ins than X; etc. etc.

Have you experienced that with idns? I'm going to try that out soon with my 90K arabic sexphotos.com. Added to namedrive.com but not yet changed the DNS.

[kenne]

Not speaking from type-in experience, just from OVT:o

[touchring]

OVTs should be fairly accurate for SEO. So 2-words are good for SEO.

[yanni]

Many a time, a two word combination is better than the single generic term (as far as type-in traffic is concerned)

A surfer types-in:

A) hotels.com
B) TokyoHotels.com

Surfer "B" is immediately presented with relevant info/ads regarding his choice destination, on page 1, while surfer "A" needs to look around to find what he's looking for.

tokyohotels.com traffic is pinpoint targeted, therefore more potent than hotels.com traffic.

hotel.com just has more traffic and that's where the big money goes :)