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domainguru
12th November 2007, 07:35 PM
http://www.sevenmile.com/2007-11/idns-the-trend-is-your-friend/

please read yourself, but highlight is the final, conclusive para:

I understand and accept that lots of IDN millionairs will be minted by then.. So if you speak the language, go gettem folks.

jacksonm
12th November 2007, 07:40 PM
The game is over now. Anything that was left will be gone by tomorrow.

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burnsinternet
12th November 2007, 08:19 PM
The CNN article still assumes that IDNs are only IDN.IDN and that this 'may' occur.

Do enough domainers read FSs site and are they willing to make the leap? I have found that many domainers are 'IDN-curious' but are unwilling to make the leap. This includes Arabic and Indian domainers.

BTW, the FS article is in English.

thegenius1
12th November 2007, 08:31 PM
Great Job Bill for getting that over to Frank !

Rubber Duck
12th November 2007, 08:33 PM
You are neglecting the Guru factor. These guys won't permit themselves to invest in anything unless it is blessed by one of the Great Savant. It avoid all the unpleasantness of having to think for themselves and taking responsibility for their own actions. They find self actualisation within the herd, or more accurately flock.

Fka200
12th November 2007, 08:44 PM
The game is over now. Anything that was left will be gone by tomorrow.

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I've been saying game over for a while now, but I always go back and pick up scraps. Things are getting way to tight lately... and with traffic/revenue increasing, I just can't help myself.

sbe18
12th November 2007, 08:48 PM
well,

things might be clearer for old hands and newbies alike now...

if FS is buying IDN's, it is best for him to say he is not, so he does not have to over pay.....

and ...

if FS is not buying IDN's it is best to say that he is not, so people will not ping him to buy their IDN's or portfolios from them....which does not preclude him doing one off's now and again......or via trusted intermidiaries etc....

Additionally, he seems to be saying that the future FS's of IDN's in each nation or language are going to be some one else, and not him.

Many posts here and elsewhere ........implied that FS or some one similar would be the FS of IDN's.
well .......today......a clear signal to hold and re-reg as you are likely to hear .

He is a smart guy and a very rich guy......
I think he has looked to buy language matches for many of of the best of his current holdings...
and found them to be gone, gone, gone...

So the A-listers and Geo -specialists will have get into the IDN mosh pit and work/study/ test just like the rest of us.....

The water is warm in the Caymans....and
soon the water will be warm in the moderate climes of the Pacific too....(grin)

burnsinternet
12th November 2007, 08:53 PM
So.... Because FS says he will not go IDN, does this mean that the flock will not go IDN? Yes, he clearly states that others will have to go where he dares not tread. What does this really mean?

My traffic is still doing well. However, nothing really new. The same high-traffic names are getting better traffic. The same mid-traffic names are doing better. Low-traffic names are still low traffic, but a little better. Nothing out of the ordinary.

If the 'flood' of new regs occurs, you would expect to see a lot of speculator traffic, right?

Rubber Duck
12th November 2007, 08:56 PM
Yes, I think you would. I don't think I ever generated any personally, but that seems to be the way of things. When there is a surge of interest the traffic goes up and particularly that from North America that really has very little IDN traffic, at least in the languages I am invested in.


So.... Because FS says he will not go IDN, does this mean that the flock will not go IDN? Yes, he clearly states that others will have to go where he dares not tread. What does this really mean?

My traffic is still doing well. However, nothing really new. The same high-traffic names are getting better traffic. The same mid-traffic names are doing better. Low-traffic names are still low traffic, but a little better. Nothing out of the ordinary.

If the 'flood' of new regs occurs, you would expect to see a lot of speculator traffic, right?

I think if you read his thread, he is still working on the presumption that you need to learn the languages to make this work. The great realisation I made right at the start is you absolutely don't need to understand very much, which is why we have been so successful and are so widely spread.

bwhhisc
12th November 2007, 09:00 PM
Great Job Bill for getting that over to Frank !

Thanks Genius. No doubt credible sources like CNN, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal etc. really get people to
sit up and take notice. From day one I have looked at this whole IDN thing strictly from a common sense and
business standpoint. It was just another adaptation of the business addage "find the greatest need and fill it".

I was also lucky enough to have work internationally and realized "my own" limitations in not being able to read
signage, menus, and even do the basic things like speak to employees. Even tougher when I lived in Greece I could
not even recognize most of the alphabet. So it was easy to reverse things and see the world as others do that don't
read or write English. From there, IDNs were pretty much a no brainer once you figured out all that the system was
in place and all that was missing was the (IE7) engine!

burnsinternet
12th November 2007, 09:05 PM
Yes, thank you, Bill, for your good work!

RD, I receive approximately 3 or 4 N American views per day, a fraction of 1% of my total uniques. Unless, of course, a bot skids across my IDNs. I would expect to see a rise in speculator traffic once they become a 'hot item' because that is generally the case. Until I start to see that, I will assume that most domainers, like FS, will leave it to the bold and daring.

In the mean time, I am happy to see the steady traffic that was absent two years ago.

thefabfive
12th November 2007, 09:06 PM
No exactly a ringing endorsement, but that post may turn some heads.

I do suspect though that many lured to IDNs by that post will search for 'business', 'travel', and 'sex' in multiple languages and abruptly quit when they realize those are taken.

Real traffic is what will generate the value here.

jacksonm
12th November 2007, 09:11 PM
I think if you read his thread, he is still working on the presumption that you need to learn the languages to make this work. The great realisation I made right at the start is you absolutely don't need to understand very much, which is why we have been so successful and are so widely spread.


What he basically is saying is that he will start buying (chinese) idns 10 years after chinese language becomes a mandatory subject in his target market countries. In other words...

I think he is really just trying to say, in his nice way, is that IDNs will probably make some people rich, but he's just not going to be bothered with them because he views english as becoming stronger and more global day by day.

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thegenius1
12th November 2007, 09:15 PM
I think if you read his thread, he is still working on the presumption that you need to learn the languages to make this work. The great realisation I made right at the start is you absolutely don't need to understand very much, which is why we have been so successful and are so widely spread.

I was just asked on another board what languages do i speak.

My response was , Wikipedish & Parkinglish !

and a intensive study in Outsoursinglish

burnsinternet
12th November 2007, 09:18 PM
I agree, Fab. Traffic is the key. But, by then, it will be too late for the aftermarket (for me).

I have come to the conclusion that I will never offer up my high traffic names for sale. And I would have to be offered a lot to sell them. The darn things pay for themselves and other IDNs already.... Why would I sell them now, after all this? I can't imagine selling them for what I think they are worth, even in a few years.

Look at YOUR best domain name. It may have been a surprise that it became your best earner. Many of mine were surprising. In today's market, you know you wouldn't sell them, right? After all you have been through, would you really sell that domain for x,xxx or even low xx,xxx in 2010? It will take some time for prices to get to the six or seven figure mark. If you auctioned that domain off today with no reserve, how much would you really get?

Just rambling.... :p

Rubber Duck
12th November 2007, 09:46 PM
What he basically is saying is that he will start buying (chinese) idns 10 years after chinese language becomes a mandatory subject in his target market countries. In other words...

I think he is really just trying to say, in his nice way, is that IDNs will probably make some people rich, but he's just not going to be bothered with them because he views english as becoming stronger and more global day by day.

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Yes, and he is wrong. In the 18th Century French was the most important language, and probably before that Spanish. If the German's had won World War II, I probably wouldn't be speaking English at all. Same if Russia had won the Cold War. Today, it is different, at least I hope it is. It is now more about Economic might. That is a battle that is going to go against the English speaking nations, and I am not including India in that group either. We have perhaps already passed the high water mark for the English Language.

bwhhisc
12th November 2007, 10:06 PM
Yes, thank you, Bill, for your good work!
Gotta give some credit to Michael...aka 261275 who had emailed me the article. I just posted it out to a few blogs.
CNN is credible, and a big gun in news these days and revolutionized international on the spot broadcasting. Getting
stories in this type of media gets it out to a huge audience. I remember when CNN was a start up and the competition
mockingly called them "Chicken Noodle Network". :p Maybe a parallel to those who have stayed the course with IDNs...

They find self actualisation within the herd, or more accurately flock.
I think they call them... sheeple.

burnsinternet
12th November 2007, 10:44 PM
Gotta give some credit to Michael...aka 261275 who had emailed me the article.

Thanks, Michael!

Wot
12th November 2007, 10:54 PM
So, should I buy these IDN thingies or not. :)

bwhhisc
12th November 2007, 11:03 PM
The CNN article also got put up at this blog. Sahar has bit of a positive thinker on IDNs, but his comments about
potential IDN traffic never reaching levels of ascii show me he hasn't done much homework on the internet penetration
and growth factors for Japan, China etc. Still, I give him credit for "getting it" a good bit before his peers.

http://www.conceptualist.com/

Olney
12th November 2007, 11:17 PM
He's right though isn't he?
IE6 on windows redirected every one word keyword to the dot com didn't it?
I'm not a long time windows user but isn't this common knowledge?

The browsers won't do this in the future.

bwhhisc
13th November 2007, 12:08 AM
He's right though isn't he?
IE6 on windows redirected every one word keyword to the dot com didn't it?
I'm not a long time windows user but isn't this common knowledge?
The browsers won't do this in the future.

I took his comment as "there are more ascii internet users" than other languages so there is more traffic. In a
sense I guess he is right, but you can also look at it as total internet users English vs. International Languages.

Also, just realized Sahar's first language is Hebrew, and he emigrated to the US about 12 years ago. Seems he
if anyone should be fully understanding the power of change IDNs will bring to the internet, it would be someone
with his background and understanding of international cultures. An afterthought.....maybe he is the "secret" Hebrew
domain buyer we have heard about. LOL

http://www.dnjournal.com/cover/2007/may.htm

burnsinternet
13th November 2007, 12:30 AM
So, should I buy these IDN thingies or not. :)

Absolutely not. They will not even be 'real' until mid-2008 at the earliest. Waste of money. Wait at least ten years.

drbiohealth
13th November 2007, 12:40 AM
I see some fundamental flaws when Frank relates "global" English language wrt ascii.coms/foreign markets. I don't know but I view it something like this:

1. ascii.coms primarily are US centric. In other words, ascii.coms represent IDN.coms for USA.

2. ascii.coms lack localization angle. Business almost always is about being local. This is well supported by the fact that a large majority of search queries and possibly typeins are mostly related to "local" stuff (such as products and services).

3. Combining 1 & 2, we get something which is pretty logical. That is, ascii.coms perfectly suit USA because majority of traffic on such names is from that geographic region.

4. On to "global": global traffic largely should have no positive effect on ascii.coms due to their lack of relevance (refer 1 & 2). A small town guy (Englishman) from England, for example, after typing bank.com in his browser would probably exit the site almost immediately when he sees no reference to his location (refer 1 & 2). So, there is a mismatch somewhere between the visitor's intension here and the relevance of the ascii.com site that he types in.

This highlights why "foreign" traffic would be useless on ascii.coms. Let us now focus on foreign markets.

5. Those companies that think they can market their products and services in English in nonenglish countries are simply fooling themselves. This is unthinkable and can never materialize. There are just a miniscule number of people in these countries who have working knowledge of English.

6. The world, however global, is not seamless.

7. The sheer size and future potential of some of these emerging markets make their local prospects exciting. They don't need to market their products to other countries.

Thus, I see no place for the words like "global" and "English" in local foreign markets.

What do others think?

burnsinternet
13th November 2007, 01:13 AM
http://money.cnn.com/2007/09/27/technology/marchex.biz2/index.htm

LOCAL: Marchex CEO Russell Horowitz is launching websites for thousands of cities, big and small. The play? To beat Microsoft, Google, and Yahoo to the punch in connecting businesses to nearby customers.

Drewbert
13th November 2007, 01:21 AM
My take on Frank's position is that he doesn't NEED to get into IDN's right now and can hold back until they're a sure thing because he can afford to pay full price for them.

He suggests to others that CAN'T afford to pay top dollar for domains they think they might like in the future - get into the market now, while the prices are depressed by uncertainty.

burnsinternet
13th November 2007, 01:46 AM
Either way, I think that the members of this forum already drank the Kool-Aid. For those of you that don't know what this idiom means:

To "Drink the Kool-Aid" is to adopt a religion with suicidal zeal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown

I am not sure that speculating about the meaning of this blog entry is really going to matter in the long run. What matters is traffic and future sales. Let's hope that the IDN Geo-Domains do well at auction! 2008 will be our year!

By the way, is anyone else experiencing insane traffic this month? I hope this continues and I hope others are experiencing it. Shheeeshh! Makes me want to keep my domains parked!

bwhhisc
13th November 2007, 10:00 AM
Burns, your link to the "money" article says Schilling makes $20 million a year from his domains.
That number is probably going up annually, given better ways to monetize domains.
No wonder he has little interest or time for IDN speculation.

touchring
13th November 2007, 10:07 AM
Burns, your link to the "money" article says Schilling makes $20 million a year from his domains.
That number is probably going up annually, given better ways to monetize domains.
No wonder he has little interest or time for IDN speculation.


That's no excuse. Look at AD, he is just as busy but yet he can delegate the job to a subordinate. This shows he is able to manage a team.

thegenius1
13th November 2007, 10:16 AM
That's no excuse. Look at AD, he is just as busy but yet he can delegate the job to a subordinate. This shows he is able to manage a team.

Does AD make 20 million a year ?

F.S may just be to bizzy swimming and spending in the caymans.

domainguru
13th November 2007, 10:17 AM
That's no excuse. Look at AD, he is just as busy but yet he can delegate the job to a subordinate. This shows he is able to manage a team.

You have to understand that FS has current and future projects / opportunities coming out of his ears, all of which are likely to substantially increase his wealth. He probably gets pitched 5 times a week.

Of course he understands IDNs are going to be big, he wrote exactly as much in his blog, but if he just hasn't got time for this particular opportunity, you have to accept that. Sure, he could "delegate", but who knows, perhaps he doesn't want to manage a large team, or have the worry of owning domains he can't read.

He's given his opinion that IDNs are going to make people millionaires - that should be enough for us.

jacksonm
13th November 2007, 10:28 AM
That's no excuse.

Huh? You speak as if a domainer needs to have an excuse not to speculate in IDNs. Needing to have an excuse not to speculate in IDNs asserts that IDNs are a sure-fire way of making money. The situation is still full of so much uncertainty that it can be classified as a risky investment. If anything, people need an excuse to speculate - they certainly don't need an excuse not to speculate.

If Frank doesn't want to get into IDNs then no amount of belittling his opinion or calling him wrong is going to get him to change his mind. People don't generally succumb to convincing and they will need to realize it on their own before they believe it. That's just an inescapable and profound flaw of human nature.

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thegenius1
13th November 2007, 10:33 AM
He's given his opinion that IDNs are going to make people millionaires - that should be enough for us.

Exactly he provided us with a great cosign , We don't need another big vacuum coming in Hoovering up my daily entertainment anyways.

bwhhisc
13th November 2007, 10:41 AM
The situation is still full of so much uncertainty that it can be classified as a risky investment.
The bigger the risk the bigger the reward or so the saying goes. Let's hope it holds true for idns. :)
You have to understand that FS has current and future projects / opportunities coming out of his ears, all of which are likely to substantially increase his wealth. He probably gets pitched 5 times a week.
He's given his opinion that IDNs are going to make people millionaires - that should be enough for us.

That is more than good enough, and you are right on about FS having better opportunities at the moment. I am sure
he sees a bit of a parallel with idns to ascii and we are somewhat in a time period equal to "1997" at the moment.
He got into domains in about 2000' (someone wrote) and certainly has the financial ability to buy into IDNs at any
point in the game that he chooses.

Olney
13th November 2007, 10:47 AM
People are going to invest in what they feel like doing.
If you make your cash in IDNs are you obliged to invest in the English domain market?
At some point I hope to be back doing video projects...

bwhhisc
13th November 2007, 11:13 AM
BTW- I just read that "Frank owns 320,000 domain names and has around 30 million unique visitors a month".
Based on his income that works out to an average of about $60 profit annually on each domain he owns.

Guessing his other advice would be "own lots of good domains" :p

Rubber Duck
13th November 2007, 11:40 AM
That's no excuse. Look at AD, he is just as busy but yet he can delegate the job to a subordinate. This shows he is able to manage a team.

The difference between AD and FS is that AS spends most of his time managing other peoples domains interests. FS only really has time for his own. That is a big difference.

The situation is still full of so much uncertainty that it can be classified as a risky investment. If anything, people need an excuse to speculate - they certainly don't need an excuse not to speculate.

Maybe, but if it were surefire, I would have added a couple of noughts to the reserves at the Associated Cities Auction.

jacksonm
13th November 2007, 11:52 AM
BTW- I just read that "Frank owns 320,000 domain names and has around 30 million unique visitors a month".
Based on his income that works out to an average of about $60 profit annually on each domain he owns.

Guessing his other advice would be "own lots of good domains" :p


Yes, if you are not going to develop them then owning lots is one easy way to make money. I personally think that this business model is the ultimate form of shameless waste.

What will be interesting to see is how long he can sustain his current business model. A lot of his "type-ins" are probably attributed to the IE6 .com default, which will all but disappear within the next year or two. What I mean is that I believe that most people are probably typing gliderflights and hitting enter, not typing gliderflights.com and hitting enter. In my opinion, he will eventually be forced to either develop or lease sites, or come up with his own browser and convince everyone to use it, if he wants to sustain his current level of domain income over the short to mid term.

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bwhhisc
13th November 2007, 11:58 AM
What will be interesting to see is how long he can sustain his current business model. A lot of his "type-ins" are probably attributed to the IE6 .com default, which will all but disappear within the next year or two. What I mean is that I believe that most people are probably typing gliderflights and hitting enter, not typing gliderflights.com and hitting enter. In my opinion, he will eventually be forced to either develop or lease sites, or come up with his own browser and convince everyone to use it, if he wants to sustain his current level of domain income over the short to mid term.
Good observation on the business model. I think that domain leasing and partnering with developers is the wave of the future.
Guys like FS are already working with the likes of Marchex who are reported to have 100,000+ websites up and selling so probably pretty easy for him to play off what they learn with their business model.

domainguru
13th November 2007, 12:01 PM
Yes, if you are not going to develop them then owning lots is one easy way to make money. I personally think that this business model is the ultimate form of shameless waste.

What will be interesting to see is how long he can sustain his current business model. A lot of his "type-ins" are probably attributed to the IE6 .com default, which will all but disappear within the next year or two. What I mean is that I believe that most people are probably typing gliderflights and hitting enter, not typing gliderflights.com and hitting enter. In my opinion, he will eventually be forced to either develop or lease sites, or come up with his own browser and convince everyone to use it, if he wants to sustain his current level of domain income over the short to mid term.

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shameless waste? Doesn't sound far short of calling him a cybersquatter ....

He does develop names, just not many of them. Kind of hard developing 320K domains.

So you are planning to develop all your names?

jacksonm
13th November 2007, 12:29 PM
shameless waste? Doesn't sound far short of calling him a cybersquatter ....

He does develop names, just not many of them. Kind of hard developing 320K domains.

So you are planning to develop all your names?

No, I don't think he's a cybersquatter at all. He only owns generic names and he has a legal right to own every one of them. Hoarding so many for so little profit per name based on their potential is imo shameless waste. No further inferences.

Yes, I plan to develop or sell every one of my domains. The only reasons I park domains are 1) to easily see which domains to develop first, 2) to see which domains to consider dropping, and 3) to attempt to mitigate renewal costs until they are all out of parking. The small revenue which comes from parking pisses me off more than anything. I'd rather serve minisites without ads than make 15 usd a year from 1500 arabic clicks.

I am currently starting development of 2-3 arabic sites per week. By starting, I mean getting a page of text up so they can start to get regular traffic. I don't even have ads on any of them yet. I also have a few chinese and japanese minisites currently online, in addition to some english sites on ascii domains.

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touchring
13th November 2007, 12:48 PM
Huh? You speak as if a domainer needs to have an excuse not to speculate in IDNs. Needing to have an excuse not to speculate in IDNs asserts that IDNs are a sure-fire way of making money. The situation is still full of so much uncertainty that it can be classified as a risky investment. If anything, people need an excuse to speculate - they certainly don't need an excuse not to speculate.

If Frank doesn't want to get into IDNs then no amount of belittling his opinion or calling him wrong is going to get him to change his mind. People don't generally succumb to convincing and they will need to realize it on their own before they believe it. That's just an inescapable and profound flaw of human nature.

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As a buyer, I hope that FS and AD will not get into IDNs. But as a member of the community, i am intrigued by how industry pioneers can dismiss new opportunities.

The period before snap came into picture was the most intriguing period, Drew and JC were happily snapping away using 3rd party APIs. FS and AD could easily beaten them all with their direct registry connections. :o

domainguru
13th November 2007, 12:51 PM
No, I don't think he's a cybersquatter at all. He only owns generic names and he has a legal right to own every one of them. Hoarding so many for so little profit per name based on their potential is imo shameless waste. No further inferences.

Yes, I plan to develop or sell every one of my domains. The only reasons I park domains are 1) to easily see which domains to develop first, 2) to see which domains to consider dropping, and 3) to attempt to mitigate renewal costs until they are all out of parking. The small revenue which comes from parking pisses me off more than anything. I'd rather serve minisites without ads than make 15 usd a year from 1500 arabic clicks.

I am currently starting development of 2-3 arabic sites per week. By starting, I mean getting a page of text up so they can start to get regular traffic. I don't even have ads on any of them yet. I also have a few chinese and japanese minisites currently online, in addition to some english sites on ascii domains.

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ah ok, thanks for the clarification.

It really depends whether "shameless waste" is regarding the income levels generated from the domains or the user experience. From what I can see, most minisites are there purely to raise income levels, and from a user experience perspective, have little or no value.

The search engines are always tinkering with rankings. For now, they generally tolerate minisites, though not in all cases, but I wouldn't bet on them long term. Would be horrible to develop hundreds or thousand of minisites and then see them one day disappear down the rankings.

bwhhisc
13th November 2007, 12:52 PM
As a buyer, I hope that FS and AD will not get into IDNs. But as a member of the community, i am intrigued by how industry pioneers can dismiss new opportunities.

It is reported that AD owns about 4,000 idns.

jacksonm
13th November 2007, 01:03 PM
ah ok, thanks for the clarification.

It really depends whether "shameless waste" is regarding the income levels generated from the domains or the user experience. From what I can see, most minisites are there purely to raise income levels, and from a user experience perspective, have little or no value.

The search engines are always tinkering with rankings. For now, they generally tolerate minisites, though not in all cases, but I wouldn't bet on them long term. Would be horrible to develop hundreds or thousand of minisites and then see them one day disappear down the rankings.


Indeed. Minisites are also not my plan. They are step one to development for me, as I believe that they will achieve better search ranking than parked domains. Like I said, I don't even serve ads on most of them so far. I just want to use analytics to gauge the traffic and segments for the domains so that I may further know which ones to fully develop first. Think of it as a way to determine my best sites before investing in the wrong direction. You know, some domains do surprisingly well when you might never imagine that they would...

So, my filtering process goes something like this:

1. domains which get the most visits from the appropriate continents in parking are moved to 1-pagers with analytics.

2. 1-pagers with analytics which get the most visits from the appropriate countries are slated for full development.

and so on.
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It is reported that AD owns about 4,000 idns.

I have seen his name on a few IDNs so far.

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touchring
13th November 2007, 02:08 PM
Indeed. Minisites are also not my plan. They are step one to development for me, as I believe that they will achieve better search ranking than parked domains. Like I said, I don't even serve ads on most of them so far. I just want to use analytics to gauge the traffic and segments for the domains so that I may further know which ones to fully develop first. Think of it as a way to determine my best sites before investing in the wrong direction. You know, some domains do surprisingly well when you might never imagine that they would...

So, my filtering process goes something like this:

1. domains which get the most visits from the appropriate continents in parking are moved to 1-pagers with analytics.

2. 1-pagers with analytics which get the most visits from the appropriate countries are slated for full development.

and so on.
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I have seen his name on a few IDNs so far.

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Might be the names he got are not the type you will whois? ;)

jacksonm
13th November 2007, 02:13 PM
Might be the names he got are not the type you will whois? ;)

Hehe, probably true.

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burnsinternet
13th November 2007, 03:22 PM
Burns, your link to the "money" article says Schilling makes $20 million a year from his domains.
That number is probably going up annually, given better ways to monetize domains.
No wonder he has little interest or time for IDN speculation.

Just some thoughts about local vs global and the opportunities ahead. If mine only make $60/yr average, that will not be enough. I already have IDNs that make much more than that right now (parked), so maybe I am on the right track? :)

Let's keep our fingers crossed.

burnsinternet
13th November 2007, 03:29 PM
Might be the names he got are not the type you will whois? ;)

Confused. :confused:

jacksonm
13th November 2007, 03:31 PM
Confused. :confused:

I.E. he is going after different segments or languages than I am.

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tee1
13th November 2007, 03:51 PM
I thought I ran across something where most of his were regged on 1 day. maybe it was a thread here, which I thought was interesting.

Confused. :confused:

maybe his translator is not as good as yours ;)


tee1

touchring
13th November 2007, 03:56 PM
I thought I ran across something where most of his were regged on 1 day. maybe it was a thread here, which I thought was interesting.



maybe his translator is not as good as yours ;)


tee1



LOL.

domainguru
13th November 2007, 04:07 PM
Just some thoughts about local vs global and the opportunities ahead. If mine only make $60/yr average, that will not be enough. I already have IDNs that make much more than that right now (parked), so maybe I am on the right track? :)

Let's keep our fingers crossed.

But do you make $20M a year? :)

Drewbert
13th November 2007, 04:51 PM
It is reported that AD owns about 4,000 idns.

I'm pretty sure Frank's got some too, just not many.

burnsinternet
13th November 2007, 05:26 PM
But do you make $20M a year? :)

Of course, don't you? :p

domainguru
13th November 2007, 06:11 PM
Of course, don't you? :p

No, I don't, but it wasn't me that said "If mine only make $60/yr average, that will not be enough" ...

Rubber Duck
13th November 2007, 06:14 PM
No, I don't, but it wasn't me that said "If mine only make $60/yr average, that will not be enough" ...

$60 a year each would do me. We do not need to be greedy, but of course at that level, I couldn't afford to sell any! :p

burnsinternet
13th November 2007, 06:48 PM
Hey, we are in this to make money. I will be happy if it breaks even in the next year. I think, at some point, the challenge is to increase revenue over time.

I need something to do in retirement. By that point, I will probably wind away the hours developing web sites, etc. I am not sure how many years it will take to develop all those domains, but it will be enough to keep me busy in retirement.

thegenius1
13th November 2007, 07:05 PM
Hey, we are in this to make money. I will be happy if it breaks even in the next year. I think, at some point, the challenge is to increase revenue over time.

I need something to do in retirement. By that point, I will probably wind away the hours developing web sites, etc. I am not sure how many years it will take to develop all those domains, but it will be enough to keep me busy in retirement.

Haha , thanks to IDN's we shall never be board again. Then again it maybe thanks to the $

yanni
13th November 2007, 07:18 PM
$60 per domain per year sounds right.

Mine are at $80 per year average; less domains > higher average.

20% of the domains account for about 80% of earnings.

We're talking ascii and parked.

burnsinternet
13th November 2007, 07:35 PM
The 20-80 rule is what will keep us busy. The 20% will make money while we fiddle with the other 80%. Same as always! For me, it is more like 5-95. I got in too late.

Phew! This traffic is freaking amazing right now. Day after day. Hope it continues to rise like this forever.

bwhhisc
13th November 2007, 08:21 PM
Phew! This traffic is freaking amazing right now. Day after day. Hope it continues to rise like this forever.

Great news Jerry, can you give us some month to months % increases by language or any other stats you are willing to share.

burnsinternet
13th November 2007, 08:32 PM
I post those every month.

bwhhisc
13th November 2007, 08:34 PM
I post those every month.
Where?

burnsinternet
13th November 2007, 09:05 PM
Here, goofball. For example...

http://www.idnforums.com/forums/14224-october-parking-stats.html

http://www.idnforums.com/forums/13532-sept-2007-ppc-best-ever.html

bwhhisc
13th November 2007, 09:46 PM
Here, goofball. For example...

http://www.idnforums.com/forums/14224-october-parking-stats.html

http://www.idnforums.com/forums/13532-sept-2007-ppc-best-ever.html

:p

C'mon... give us at least a baseline and some percentage increases.
If traffic went from 1 hit to 10 hits in a month thats 1000%...but still lothargic numbers.

Now if it went from 100 hits to 1000 hits that exciting!
We need to somehow quantify this if everyone wants to compare apples to apples.

thefabfive
13th November 2007, 09:55 PM
I recently started tracking the percentage of renewal costs (on a monthly basis) that a particular language generates each month. Here are a couple of select results for the past three months.

Russian
Aug - 26.8%
Sept - 34.2%
Oct - 41.8%

Swedish
Aug - 58.6%
Sept - 65.8%
Oct - 78.8%

These are ND parking only stats.

Rubber Duck
13th November 2007, 09:56 PM
Well we are seeing quite a bit of activity in the higher range for uniques, but are struggling to get into three figures on clicks as yet! We are seeing steady but not as yet spectacular growth. I guess it is all relative.

:p

C'mon... give us at least a baseline and some percentage increases.
If traffic went from 1 hit to 10 hits in a month thats 1000%...but still lothargic numbers.

Now if it went from 100 hits to 1000 hits that exciting!
We need to somehow quantify this if everyone wants to compare apples to apples.

bwhhisc
13th November 2007, 10:05 PM
Well we are seeing quite a bit of activity in the higher range for uniques, but are struggling to get into three figures on clicks as yet! We are seeing steady but not as yet spectacular growth. I guess it is all relative.
Only my Russian is showing good improvement in total quantity of hits month to month.
Here is two (partial) but equal months activity on same group of names.

Nov 1-12
US$ 41.58 revenue
4324 hits, 1621 clicks
% 37.49 click thru rate
average per click US$ 0.03

October 1- 12
US$ 17.63 revenue
2522 hits, 737 clicks
% 29.22 click thru rate
average per click US$ 0.02

Now if my Japanese, Chinese and Thai can take notice :o

Fka200
13th November 2007, 10:16 PM
I recently started tracking the percentage of renewal costs (on a monthly basis) that a particular language generates each month. Here are a couple of select results for the past three months.

Russian
Aug - 26.8%
Sept - 34.2%
Oct - 41.8%

Swedish
Aug - 58.6%
Sept - 65.8%
Oct - 78.8%

These are ND parking only stats.

Wow. Swedish seems pretty damn good. I tried to mine for swedish domains a week or so ago, but all the good stuff was taken. :). Thanks for sharing the stats, Mo!

thefabfive
13th November 2007, 10:21 PM
Wow. Swedish seems pretty damn good. I tried to mine for swedish domains a week or so ago, but all the good stuff was taken. . Thanks for sharing the stats, Mo!
No problem. :)

The 80/20 rule definitely applies to my Swedish names (maybe even 90/10).

Russian though is much more distributed. The trend upwards in Russian has been apparent for well over a year now - very encouraging.

bwhhisc
13th November 2007, 10:45 PM
I recently started tracking the percentage of renewal costs (on a monthly basis) that a particular language generates each month. Here are a couple of select results for the past three months.

Russian
Aug - 26.8%
Sept - 34.2%
Oct - 41.8%

Swedish
Aug - 58.6%
Sept - 65.8%
Oct - 78.8%

These are ND parking only stats.

Now there you go...that is a useful statistic!

My Russian is in the 40% bracket as of this month as well.

But the rest...probably 10% overall.

jacksonm
13th November 2007, 10:50 PM
Now there you go...that is a useful statistic!

My Russian is in the 40% bracket as of this month as well.

But the rest...probably 10% overall.


I just read that Russian online advertising budgets are supposed to decline sharply pretty soon.

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bwhhisc
13th November 2007, 10:56 PM
I just read that Russian online advertising budgets are supposed to decline sharply pretty soon.
Don't worry, I am keeping my day job. lol

Explorer
14th November 2007, 01:01 PM
I just read that Russian online advertising budgets are supposed to decline sharply pretty soon.

.

You have a source?

jacksonm
14th November 2007, 01:52 PM
You have a source?

I believe I bookmarked it. Let me do some digging.

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markits
14th November 2007, 02:02 PM
I just read that Russian online advertising budgets are supposed to decline sharply pretty soon.

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I am still struggling to get my first Russian dot com or net idn. Sigh..

Rubber Duck
14th November 2007, 02:20 PM
I just read that Russian online advertising budgets are supposed to decline sharply pretty soon.

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And if you believe that you will believe anything.

Unlike the West where online advertising expansion is still flying in the face of fairly depressed market conditions, in Russia it has barely even begun. With eyeballs increasing at an exponential rate, only a complete moron would prophecies that there is going to be a contraction in online advertising. Frankly, you could get more analysis out of Denso Wax Void Filler.

555
14th November 2007, 02:31 PM
I would love to see that 'reliable' source.
Unless Russia goes communist on us...i don't see anything stopping it's online growth.
it is only the beginning for Russia.

jacksonm
14th November 2007, 05:16 PM
I remember what it said now, not that online advertising per se would decrease, but that analysts expect to see a big drop in contextual PPC advertising in Russia over the next few years.

Just as people became blind to banners after years of bombardment, people are starting to become blind to text ads, they argued. Predictions were that multimedia ads would start to increase.

Still cant find TDA (the damned article).

.

Rubber Duck
14th November 2007, 05:32 PM
I remember what it said now, not that online advertising per se would decrease, but that analysts expect to see a big drop in contextual PPC advertising in Russia over the next few years.

Just as people became blind to banners after years of bombardment, people are starting to become blind to text ads, they argued. Predictions were that multimedia ads would start to increase.

Still cant find TDA (the damned article).

.

We'll as Multimedia Ads have zero market share at the moment, that is not an unreasonable statement to make. Not sure it will get them a Nobel Prize though!

alpha
14th November 2007, 08:34 PM
on another thread on Franks blog, i see you made an impression on Dan Guyes.

RD for IDN ambassador :p

thegenius1
14th November 2007, 08:41 PM
on another thread on Franks blog, i see you made an impression on Dan Guyes.

RD for IDN ambassador :p

Link me please

alpha
14th November 2007, 08:42 PM
Link me please

http://www.sevenmile.com/2007-11/2-letter-names-scarece-as-hens-teeth/

bwhhisc
14th November 2007, 08:47 PM
THE GUYS QUOTE:
Stop Pumping IDNs Dave Wrixon. Nobody cares. They are as useless as Dotmobi or else you would be accumulating quietly. Most of the crap traffic they get are from people like you looking them up. They don’t, and will never convert like dotcom’s even if a miracle happens and they take off (when we are all dead).
END QUOTE

I hope the guys likes "crow" :p

Rubber Duck
14th November 2007, 08:56 PM
Well the interim response is in moderation.

The final response really will be when we bring our first 7 figure sale home!

Not sure how long that will take but I think there is little doubt about the potential purchasing power amongst the Chinese, Russians or Arabs. The Japanese don't have so many billionaires kicking around but some of their companies have quite healthy balance sheets.

thegenius1
14th November 2007, 09:02 PM
Well the interim response is in moderation.

The final response really will be when we bring our first 7 figure sale home!

Not sure how long that will take but I think there is little doubt about the potential purchasing power amongst the Chinese, Russians or Arabs. The Japanese don't have so many billionaires kicking around but some of their companies have quite healthy balance sheets.

The Gap is Not that wide


United States United States 432

Germany 55

Russia 53

India 36

Japan 24

Hong Kong 21

China 20


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_the_number_of_billionaires

Rubber Duck
14th November 2007, 09:04 PM
Interestingly I Googled this Dan Guyes to see who he was.

Google just spat it straight back!

I guess somebody must be operating under cover?

The Gap is Not that wide


United States United States 432

Germany 55

Russia 53

India 36

Japan 24

Hong Kong 21

China 20


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_the_number_of_billionaires

This info is well obscelete.

Chinese have 115 I believe.

Worse than the CIA Fact Book!

jacksonm
14th November 2007, 09:06 PM
Interestingly I Googled this Dan Guyes to see who he was.

Google just spat it straight back!

I guess somebody must be operating under cover?


Under Guise, don't you get it? :-)

Smells like Boca bacon cooking.

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Rubber Duck
14th November 2007, 09:12 PM
Under Guise, don't you get it? :-)

Smells like Boca bacon cooking.

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He will find that if he tries to piss on all the Chinese Fireworks, his little bladder just won't be up to it, and he end up getting his balls blown off!

thegenius1
14th November 2007, 09:13 PM
Interestingly I Googled this Dan Guyes to see who he was.

Google just spat it straight back!

I guess somebody must be operating under cover?



This info is well obscelete.

Chinese have 115 I believe.

Worse than the CIA Fact Book!

The Chinese numbers are infact higher now

But i think India and Japan are still brushing shoulders.

Rubber Duck
14th November 2007, 09:16 PM
Arabs won't be grouped so collectively they will rank much higher!

Just shows how far India has come if it is on terms with Japan!

thegenius1
14th November 2007, 09:31 PM
Arabs won't be grouped so collectively they will rank much higher!

Just shows how far India has come if it is on terms with Japan!

Haven t they always had more billionaires then Japan due to oil ?

bwhhisc
14th November 2007, 11:23 PM
hey Genius....they got your name as 'IDN Consutling' over at Franks blog.
Not good for attracting business to your site unless you got the typeins too. lol

thegenius1
14th November 2007, 11:42 PM
hey Genius....they got your name as 'IDN Consutling' over at Franks blog.
Not good for attracting business to your site unless you got the typeins too. lol

LOL , well i got the URL right but not the user name.