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jose
17th December 2007, 03:56 AM
I do not care if what I have to say opens a heated discussion. Should I say what I know they want to hear the friends of IDN or should I say what they expect me are reading, what you really think?.

What do you think? I know many people who have gotten squarely on them. Some are accredited by their past successes, and they are my friends. Some are angry and attack anyone who is not a believer in instant IDN. Only time will tell. Until we have a genuine market and a great need for these domains will have a very slow track. Many are bitter because the IDN who have not given enough to pay for their renewal. What this or any other group or extension needs to learn is that it is the market that will determine the IF and IF, not a bunch of people running around on the same subject and calling anyone stupid for not investing in IDN. No matter how moderates are my comments, all you want to hear me say is that they are the eighth wonder of the world.

Well, let me say… .. I do not believe that they are. But they do not lack respect for those who invest and believe in them. No respect for those who have taken the position of saying that if you do not invert in IDNs you are not a stupid American. I do not understand the anger and intolerance that are in that community. It makes no sense to me. Then they criticize other extensions. It just makes me very rare that behavior. Only I wish they go well, but that does not seem to be enough for some of them. I want to focus on them in TRAFFIC, although the issue has already been discussed many times. But since they are not, they do not know, so they are maquillando things. Still have to learn that the market will decide. Neither they, nor me. Neither anyone, only the market. The reason causing the anger of these people is beyond my comprehension.

Source: http://www.domisfera.com/entrevista-de-domisfera-a-rick-schwartz/

IDNCowboy
17th December 2007, 04:15 AM
I do not care if what I have to say opens a heated discussion. Should I say what I know they want to hear the friends of IDN or should I say what they expect me are reading, what you really think?.

What do you think? I know many people who have gotten squarely on them. Some are accredited by their past successes, and they are my friends. Some are angry and attack anyone who is not a believer in instant IDN. Only time will tell. Until we have a genuine market and a great need for these domains will have a very slow track. Many are bitter because the IDN who have not given enough to pay for their renewal. What this or any other group or extension needs to learn is that it is the market that will determine the IF and IF, not a bunch of people running around on the same subject and calling anyone stupid for not investing in IDN. No matter how moderates are my comments, all you want to hear me say is that they are the eighth wonder of the world.

Well, let me say… .. I do not believe that they are. But they do not lack respect for those who invest and believe in them. No respect for those who have taken the position of saying that if you do not invert in IDNs you are not a stupid American. I do not understand the anger and intolerance that are in that community. It makes no sense to me. Then they criticize other extensions. It just makes me very rare that behavior. Only I wish they go well, but that does not seem to be enough for some of them. I want to focus on them in TRAFFIC, although the issue has already been discussed many times. But since they are not, they do not know, so they are maquillando things. Still have to learn that the market will decide. Neither they, nor me. Neither anyone, only the market. The reason causing the anger of these people is beyond my comprehension.

Source: http://www.domisfera.com/entrevista-de-domisfera-a-rick-schwartz/
people still read his blog?

touchring
17th December 2007, 04:16 AM
Is Rick Schwartz talking IDNs? I can't understand an ASCII in there?

¿Cómo es un día suyo cualquiera?
-> hey, i recognize ¿. It's an IDN! :p

burnsinternet
17th December 2007, 04:20 AM
Time will tell.

The market will decide.

Agreed.

jose
17th December 2007, 04:24 AM
people still read his blog?

IDNCowboy: Only in case it's not of a great annoyance to you, could you please, from time to time, make a little effort and try to post a slightly positive comment?

IDNCowboy
17th December 2007, 04:30 AM
IDNCowboy: Only in case it's not of a great annoyance to you, could you please, from time to time, make a little effort and try to post a slightly positive comment?
I'm always nice

heck nobody ever comments at yanni or duck

I get all the hammers thrown at me...

jose
17th December 2007, 05:27 AM
I'm always nice

heck nobody ever comments at yanni or duck

I get all the hammers thrown at me...

If you have something on me (as you say you do by PM), please post it loud and clear what have I ever did to you, and please stop trashing my posts.

Posts are supposed to be usefull to everyone and if you say everything I post is rubish, you could be preventing people from reading any further.

IDNCowboy
17th December 2007, 05:30 AM
If you have something on me (as you say you do by PM), please post it loud and clear what have I ever did to you, and please stop trashing my posts.

Posts are supposed to be usefull to everyone and if you say everything I post is rubish, you could be preventing people from reading any further.
Jose, it is rubbish

http://www.idnforums.com/forums/15561-valuation-of-cn-domains-about-to-go-south.html

.cn to go south based on one joe schmoe's opinion (he had spammed the index)

http://www.idnforums.com/forums/15551-forget-ovt-our-dream-is-becoming-true.html

OVT is much better than Trends... While trends is useful it is not as great as ovt...

OVT R.I.P.


My threads generate alot of talk most of the time going over 2 pages..... You leech info but don't post back... Other than your sales what info do you really post?

Rubber Duck
17th December 2007, 05:58 AM
Jose, I think something has been lost in translation, as this has been translated both ways and apparently not very accurately. The original article is also now a bit dated.

I actually not only read Rick's Blog, although it is not terribly popular these days, but I also post there. Rick doesn't understand IDN, at least not yet, and it would appear that he doesn't fully understand the effects of TRAFFICS exposure. Whilst alone it will not make a particular type of investment fly without it, it has been much harder to get acceptance by American investors. The fact that we are now achieving that just shows how strong the IDN proposition really is. Rick is teamed with Monte. Monte believes but has no idea how to take the market forward at this stage. The Light Bulb moment is coming. We are just going to have to be patient.

IDNCowboy
17th December 2007, 06:01 AM
Jose, I think something has been lost in translation, as this has been translated both ways and apparently not very accurately. The original article is also now a bit dated.

I actually not only read Rick's Blog, although it is not terribly popular these days, but I also post there. Rick doesn't understand IDN, at least not yet, and it would appear that he doesn't fully understand the effects of TRAFFICS exposure. Whilst alone it will not make a particular type of investment fly without it, it has been much harder to get acceptance by American investors. The fact that we are now achieving that just shows how strong the IDN proposition really is. Rick is teamed with Monte. Monte believes but has no idea how to take the market forward at this stage. The Light Bulb moment is coming. We are just going to have to be patient.
RD is right...

I believe once one domino falls the rest will follow.... Some I'm just including as they had influence on the others.

Drewbert ---> Chris(shouldn't really count him but he's a big asciier - > Jay ---> Sahar

Next? Frank

Rick? Probably never...... These guys are too rich anyway to bother... What can they do with all of the millions they currently have.

jose
17th December 2007, 06:08 AM
Jose, I think something has been lost in translation, as this has been translated both ways and apparently not very accurately. The original article is also now a bit dated.

I actually not only read Rick's Blog, although it is not terribly popular these days, but I also post there. Rick doesn't understand IDN, at least not yet, and it would appear that he doesn't fully understand the effects of TRAFFICS exposure. Whilst alone it will not make a particular type of investment fly without it, it has been much harder to get acceptance by American investors. The fact that we are now achieving that just shows how strong the IDN proposition really is. Rick is teamed with Monte. Monte believes but has no idea how to take the market forward at this stage. The Light Bulb moment is coming. We are just going to have to be patient.

I didn't know there was an original article! They declare, in a very clear way it is an exclusive interview to Domainsfera on 17th Dec 2007! My thread title was ironic, as if what he ever says is the law. They even go as further as to compare Rick to George Soros and Kissinger in a way that his opinions may have unpredictable and huge waves of consequences on the industry itself.

Rubber Duck
17th December 2007, 06:12 AM
I didn't know there was an original article! They declare, in a very clear way it is an exclusive interview to Domainsfera on 17th Dec 2007! My thread title was ironic, as if what he ever says is the law. They even go as further as to compare Rick to George Soros and Kissinger in a way that his opinions may have unpredictable and huge waves of consequences on the industry itself.

Well may be it was, but Rick did not interview in Spanish and the account posted here makes nonsense in English. It doesn't even sound like Rick but the content is broadly similar to a previous posting on his blog. Perhaps he lifted the content himself!

burnsinternet
17th December 2007, 06:18 AM
I wouldn't expect anything more or less from him than Let the Market Decide.

That is what we all do, no matter what is said.

Interesting discussion, though. I wondered why he interviewed in Spanish unless he sent the written answers to questions via email.

touchring
17th December 2007, 06:18 AM
You guys see a lot of not-so-great IDNs being registered or converted to privacy these days? I can't imagine it being one of us here, willing to pay $1 more just to hide the WHOIS? For 2000 names, that's 2000 bucks extra every year!

Wot
17th December 2007, 06:19 AM
I didn't know there was an original article! They declare, in a very clear way it is an exclusive interview to Domainsfera on 17th Dec 2007! My thread title was ironic, as if what he ever says is the law. They even go as further as to compare Rick to George Soros and Kissinger in a way that his opinions may have unpredictable and huge waves of consequences on the industry itself.


Both Soros and Kissinger got a lot of things wrong too but you tend to mainly only hear about what they got right.

BTW - was an online auto translator used to translate Ricks blog as the english leaves a lot to be desired.

I do agree the market will determine the timing and ultimate successes of IDN, that's what markets do. That there is any doubt that they will be successful however is beyond me. :)

burnsinternet
17th December 2007, 06:20 AM
Agreed. Someone is buying out there. However, with so many scripts and so many good names, the pool is still big enough for all of us. By 2009, only brandables will be leftover.

Wot
17th December 2007, 06:21 AM
You guys see a lot of not-so-great IDNs being registered or converted to privacy these days? I can't imagine it being one of us here, willing to pay $1 more just to hide the WHOIS? For 2000 names, that's 2000 bucks extra every year!

Don't have to hide mine, I know they are crap but I do persist. ;)

IDNCowboy
17th December 2007, 06:24 AM
I don't get it...

People still don't understand the best .mobi's are held by .mobi tld

The .mobi domainers were left in the dust with the scraps

Sure, .mobi let the nice ones go but for a high price... makes you wonder if there is enough room to actually sell for a profit once .mobi lets them go....

What ever happened to the RFP's??? What about the .mobi president saying he would price .mobi's high to discourage domainers from scavenging them all?? Guess money talks.....


IDNs - We could see high priced sales but the premium domain holders do not want to sell. The OK names are on the auction block. These are better than mediocre .mobi's... You'd think that people would grasp that and try to make some money on IDNs...

burnsinternet
17th December 2007, 06:28 AM
I think everyone has figured out the truth about the dot mobis. Did the sales/auction of those big dot mobis actually go through?

Regarding IDNs: No one wants to sell their top ones. Same here. Time will tell for the rest of the buyers. They will jump in too late. We are the ones who are holding on.

touchring
17th December 2007, 06:38 AM
Agreed. Someone is buying out there. However, with so many scripts and so many good names, the pool is still big enough for all of us. By 2009, only brandables will be leftover.


Precisely, lots of people still buying, so why worry? IDN takes time to take off, people are buying for the future.

On the other side of the coin, i see a lot of buyers having buyer's remorse - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyer%27s_remorse

IDNs are not like ASCII LLL or NNN, you can't buy and flip for immediate profit or even to square off. There is no established market for IDN to speak, most of the time, it is just one or two person interested in a particular name at a reasonable price.

If you're not prepared to wait, don't buy.

jose
17th December 2007, 06:43 AM
If you're not prepared to wait, don't buy.

One thing on our favor is that they have the best type-ins a new reg domain can get now-a-days. All my latest ascii have 0 type-ins, but my latest IDN rock!

Fka200
17th December 2007, 06:56 AM
One thing on our favor is that they have the best type-ins a new reg domain can get now-a-days. All my latest ascii have 0 type-ins, but my latest IDN rock!

I got lucky with some ASCII in the last two weeks. That reminds me I hafta sell em to pay my damn CC bill :(. LOL.

burnsinternet
17th December 2007, 07:00 AM
Yeah, ASCII sell better right now. Those in IDN or ASCII land are rarely selling top domains. The so-so domains sell all the time in IDN & ASCII land. I have sold far more ASCII than IDN. IDN gets better natural traffic.

jacksonm
17th December 2007, 07:05 AM
Don't have to hide mine, I know they are crap but I do persist. ;)


Same here!

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touchring
17th December 2007, 07:15 AM
Same here!

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U two don't get it. It's the big boys that are hiding, they don't want to let people know they are buying IDNs. There's a lot of ND activity going on here.

One thing on our favor is that they have the best type-ins a new reg domain can get now-a-days. All my latest ascii have 0 type-ins, but my latest IDN rock!


This is a fallacy that Rick Schwartz and likes subscribe to - they think we'll be selling off the IDNs because of no traffic, and of cos, this won't happen. You either buy or now, or buy at end user pricing in the future (and at future pricing). In fact, already, some categories of idns, you can't even buy for less than $1xx,xxx. ;)

I then went on to buy domains like porno.com, men.com, ass.com, sexo.com, voyeur.com and many many more. The total combined cost for those 5 domains back then was $94,000 in 5 separate transactions.

For prime languages like German .de, IDN has already gone past this stage in 2006 or 2005 even.

jacksonm
17th December 2007, 07:21 AM
U two don't get it. It's the big boys that are hiding, they don't want to let people know they are buying IDNs. There's a lot of ND activity going on here.

I get it. I said just two days ago that one day we will wake up and hear that such and such of them own 150k russian idns.

I've been running into Adam Dicker's name more and more lately... even in tiny languages.

.

jose
17th December 2007, 07:27 AM
This is a fallacy that Rick Schwartz and likes subscribe to - they think we'll be selling off the IDNs because of no traffic, and of cos, this won't happen.

I agree.

On latin domains, 99% of the people when refering to an Internet address like cão.com (dog) will say: "Don't forget, without the accent!"

I will consider IDNs have mature, when that number will drop below 50%.

And I am sure sometime on the future, they will refer cão as cão and cao ao cao, even when talking about Internet addresses. That will be our moment of glory.

Of course non latin will evolve much faster.

burnsinternet
17th December 2007, 07:37 AM
Yeah, we get it.

I don't know if Latins, Arabics, Asian scripts, Cyrillics, etc will 'evolve' faster.

My traffic is almost all Cyrillic and Latin. It is hard for me to know. If Japanese makes a big jump some day, I will know. Arabic is getting much better now.

Rubber Duck
17th December 2007, 07:46 AM
I wouldn't expect anything more or less from him than Let the Market Decide.

That is what we all do, no matter what is said.

Interesting discussion, though. I wondered why he interviewed in Spanish unless he sent the written answers to questions via email.

Yes, but the market is information driven. To date TRAFFICS, Sedo and others have been little better than obstructive in that regard. Hopefully things will now start to change.

You guys see a lot of not-so-great IDNs being registered or converted to privacy these days? I can't imagine it being one of us here, willing to pay $1 more just to hide the WHOIS? For 2000 names, that's 2000 bucks extra every year!

It indicates that there is big money out there that wants their identies kept secret. Perhaps they are just worried that they will be savaged by the ASCII zelots, but it is also likely that they don't want to kick off the massive inflation in prices that we all know is coming. Like Jackson, they are trying to buy a bit more time!

Agreed. Someone is buying out there. However, with so many scripts and so many good names, the pool is still big enough for all of us. By 2009, only brandables will be leftover.

I was buying Chinese brandables in 2004!

I get it. I said just two days ago that one day we will wake up and hear that such and such of them own 150k russian idns.

I've been running into Adam Dicker's name more and more lately... even in tiny languages.

.

The deeper you dig the more you are likely to encounter DCG. What he actually bought is one of life's enduring mysteries.

Wot
17th December 2007, 07:56 AM
U two don't get it. It's the big boys that are hiding, they don't want to let people know they are buying IDNs. There's a lot of ND activity going on here.




I certainly do get it, perhaps they don't want to be pestered with low $xx,xxx offers for their new squiggly things- pisses me off no end, why can't they be low $xx like those ascii thingies I have. ;)


BTW- not even the missus refers to me as big boy - so I would never qualify for that title.

Rubber Duck
17th December 2007, 08:12 AM
I certainly do get it, perhaps they don't want to be pestered with low $xx,xxx offers for their new squiggly things- pisses me off no end, why can't they be low $xx like those ascii thingies I have. ;)


BTW- not even the missus refers to me as big boy - so I would never qualify for that title.

It could be that they just don't dig all the Chinese Spam you get if you register Chinese IDN!

jacksonm
17th December 2007, 08:14 AM
Like Jackson, they are trying to buy a bit more time!

I don't think that these IDNs are ever going anywhere, so you all might as well stop pumping them to the boca boys and just go on vacation. :p

- Firefox is gaining serious ground in high CPC markets and they will never change their ways regarding whitelisting.
- Adwords team regards IDNs as "vanity URLs" and won't support them.
- Adsense team is doing their best to lock domainers out of foreign markets.
- ICANN won't christen IDNs into existence until they come up with new gTLDs.

etc...

Nothing more to see, just move along now.

.

Explorer
17th December 2007, 01:05 PM
In fact, already, some categories of idns, you can't even buy for less than $1xx,xxx. ;)



I am still under the impression you could by any IDN in any language for 100K. Am I wrong?

touchring
17th December 2007, 01:11 PM
I am still under the impression you could by any IDN in any language for 100K. Am I wrong?


Do you mean drop or arms length buy? You can't buy any IDN for 100K for that person does not want to sell it to you for 100K. Anyway, prime .de are already in the region of $xx,xxx to $1xx,xxx. Even compound words are fetching high $xxx to $x,xxx.

Recently, a job.at was transacted at half a mil. Not an IDN, but not not different to the german speaker.

Rubber Duck
17th December 2007, 01:19 PM
Yes, the valuations of dot AT are a real shock!

Do you mean drop or arms length buy? You can't buy any IDN for 100K for that person does not want to sell it to you for 100K. Anyway, prime .de are already in the region of $xx,xxx to $1xx,xxx. Even compound words are fetching high $xxx to $x,xxx.

Recently, a job.at was transacted at half a mil. Not an IDN, but not not different to the german speaker.

touchring
17th December 2007, 03:46 PM
btw, did anyone notice a sudden increase in the number of portfolio exit sale?

zenmarketing
17th December 2007, 05:34 PM
btw, did anyone notice a sudden increase in the number of portfolio exit sale?

That subsequently don't result in any sales?

Yes.

Rubber Duck
17th December 2007, 06:19 PM
The forum is frankly full of losers. I doubt if more than 5% that originally signed on here will make the grade.

Classic Wannabee forumula. Ignore the lessons of the past. Don't use the stories of successful domainers as a template. Buy only new registrations, because that has to be low risk. Buy what you like the sound of without doing any serious analysis, and above all cut and run before the market turns in your favour.

Oh, and I forgot market in the most inept manner. Declare you are distressed seller. Be totally vague and non-committal about price. Set confusing sales conditions, so that nobody knows whether they are bidding on single names or portfolios. Don't set deadlines. Do it all by PM so nobody can figure out what the hell is going on. Need I go on?

zenmarketing
17th December 2007, 06:56 PM
The forum is frankly full of losers. I doubt if more than 5% that originally signed on here will make the grade.

Classic Wannabee forumula. Ignore the lessons of the past. Don't use the stories of successful domainers as a template. Buy only new registrations, because that has to be low risk. Buy what you like the sound of without doing any serious analysis, and above all cut and run before the market turns in your favour.

Oh, and I forgot market in the most inept manner. Declare you are distressed seller. Be totally vague and non-committal about price. Set confusing sales conditions, so that nobody knows whether they are bidding on single names or portfolios. Don't set deadlines. Do it all by PM so nobody can figure out what the hell is going on. Need I go on?

Pretty accurate portrayal.

thefabfive
17th December 2007, 07:39 PM
There's a reason successful domainers don't hang out on public message boards much.

jose
17th December 2007, 08:40 PM
The forum is frankly full of losers. I doubt if more than 5% that originally signed on here will make the grade.

Classic Wannabee forumula. Ignore the lessons of the past. Don't use the stories of successful domainers as a template. Buy only new registrations, because that has to be low risk. Buy what you like the sound of without doing any serious analysis, and above all cut and run before the market turns in your favour.

Oh, and I forgot market in the most inept manner. Declare you are distressed seller. Be totally vague and non-committal about price. Set confusing sales conditions, so that nobody knows whether they are bidding on single names or portfolios. Don't set deadlines. Do it all by PM so nobody can figure out what the hell is going on. Need I go on?

DITTO!

There's a reason successful domainers don't hang out on public message boards much.

DITTO!

bwhhisc
17th December 2007, 11:27 PM
btw, did anyone notice a sudden increase in the number of portfolio exit sale?
Not sure (all of them) are selling off their best A list stuff. Maybe just selling off their second tier to get registration fees for their better names.

touchring
18th December 2007, 01:17 AM
That subsequently don't result in any sales?

Yes.


I suppose so. It is difficult to sell without putting up indicative prices. :)

cansadodebuscar
21st December 2007, 06:40 AM
Here the full interview with Rick Schwartz in english:

http://www.domisfera.com/en/the-deep-interview-of-domisfera-with-rick-schwartz/

bwhhisc
21st December 2007, 10:12 AM
Here the full interview with Rick Schwartz in english:
http://www.domisfera.com/en/the-deep-interview-of-domisfera-with-rick-schwartz/

QUESTION TO RICK SCHWARTZ-
What do you think about IDN domains?

No matter what I say it is going to open a hornets nest. So do I BS everyone so the IDN folks are happy or do those reading expect me to say what I believe? What’s to think? I know many are heavy into it. Some have past credentials and successes and are friends of mine. Some are angry and lash out at anyone that is not an instant believer of IDN. Time will tell. Others are just hoping and wishing and waiting for this release and that release. Until there is a genuine market and a great need it is going to be a very slow ride. Many are bitter because the IDN’s that they do have don’t support the renewal fees.

What this or any other group or extension need to learn is that it is the MARKET that will determine WHEN and IF and not a bunch of folks running around calling everyone else stupid for not investing in IDN’s. No matter how middle of the road my comments are they want me to say it is the best thing since sliced bread. Well, let me say…..I don’t believe it is. But I don’t fault those that invest and believe in it. I do fault those folks that have taken the stance that if you don’t invest in IDN’s that you are just a stupid American. I don’t understand the anger and bigotry in that community. Makes no sense to me. Then they criticize other extensions that are breaking out. Just very weird to me and I wish them nothing but the best but that is not good enough for some of them. They want me to focus on them at TRAFFIC even tho we have had it discussed many times. But since they don’t come, they don’t know, so they make things up. They have yet to learn that the MARKET will decide. Not them, not me. Not anyone but the market. Why that makes folks angry is way beyond what I understand. END QUOTE

Rubber Duck
21st December 2007, 10:38 AM
If he is talking about a Mobi breaking out, then they might be throught the wire but they still have the minefields, search light and machine gun posts to deal with before they get clear into the woods!

On reflection it might be that Rick his buying himself some room to manouevre. Using these kinds of arguments gives you the freedom to change direction at will. However, he as a salesman knows the impact of raising market awareness and getting the product in front of the consumer, so to me some of the statements don't entirely ring true. Anyway the undisputable truth is that IDN's time is not only due, but it is way overdue. We are getting more acceptance of this fact from most quarters, and those that aren't ready to embrace as yet are certain softening their stance or hedging their bets.